Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #4

[Chilly Willy]

We need someone to tell us how far 7 hours of fuel would get you flying below the radar. :twocents:

Maybe they still DID run out of fuel over the ocean... just 2200nm away!
Maybe 7 hours of fuel becomes 4 hours of fuel when you are flying that low.
We need to know that before we assume this means they didn't run out of fuel.

For that to be true, we once again have to accept that it was just a tremendous coincidence that the transponder was turned off and the plane was lost to radar as it was passing from Malaysian to Vietnamese controlled airspace.

 

[Isabelle]

Was it ever mentioned how long the pilot had the flight simulator in his home?

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

We need someone to tell us how far 7 hours of fuel would get you flying below the radar. :twocents:

Maybe they still DID run out of fuel over the ocean... just 2200nm away!
Maybe 7 hours of fuel becomes 4 hours of fuel when you are flying that low.
We need to know that before we assume this means they didn't run out of fuel.

I'll have to go find where I read it, but I believe I read that when this plane is full of fuel it can actually fly 16 hours (even though the flight was about a 6 hour flight). I'll see if I can find it again. I also read that flying at lower altitude uses up a bit more fuel. One more thought, it seems most pilots believe the only way transponders would be turned off would be by human hand, intentionally.

(I'm personally hoping for a hijack situation if only for the hope that some might still be alive.)

 

[momrids6]

see reply 195

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6020841#166

 

[Chilly Willy]

No problem--it's really easy to get all these accounts and places confused, between the names, the reporting, and the unfamiliar region. I keep posting maps just to keep myself straight.

I don't remember reading what time they thought they heard the sound, sorry! I don't believe the plane circled back before they heard the sound, though that's just opinion at this point. (And I might not be up on the timeline, here.) But I keep leaning toward the idea that the military radar picked up some other plane, not the missing one. I guess that's because the military official who originally said their radar may have picked up the plane off the west coast seemed to backpedal a bit when next questioned about it, even to the point of putting out a press release correcting media accounts that said he said it definitely turned back.

I'm almost certain the time given by the villagers was 1:30 because at that time we were still operating under the belief that the plane had been tracked by the military until 2:40, meaning the witnesses account could not be credible. I'm always a cynic. Guess it's all for moot anyway, if it's true that the plane flew for at least 4 more hours.

I barely made it through geography in high school...I think it shows.

 

[revampz]

Okayyy...

This has been running through my brain... so I am going to throw it out to you all...

Remember towards the very beginning... when we started these threads...

there was a story of the plane landing safely in China (I believe ?)... .. but the story was (of course) soon reported as being not true...

I am looking in my notes... but, dang, if I don't have it written down...:banghead:

Does anyone remember this?

Could there be some inkling of truth to it?

:dunno:

yes there was a report that it landed at Nanning Airport!!!!!

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

From this link:http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/777family/pf/pf_200product.page

Boeing 777-200ER

Maximum Fuel Capacity: 45,220 U.S. gal (171,170 L)

Maximum Range: 7,725 nautical miles (14,305 km)

Basic Dimensions:

Wing Span: 199 ft 11 in (60.9 m)

Overall Length: 209 ft 1 in (63.7 m)

Tail Height: 60 ft 9 in (18.5 m)

Interior Cabin Width: 19 ft 3 in (5.86 m)

Diameter: 20 ft 4 in (6.19 m)


So, anyone know how many hours it takes a plane to fly 7,725 nautical miles?

 

[alwaysonmymind]

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[revampz]

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/m...ys-still-verifying-if-mh370-landed-in-nanning

one of the reports re nanning ...this was denied

 

[Derryn Hunch]

We need someone to tell us how far 7 hours of fuel would get you flying below the radar. :twocents:

There's too many variables to work it out on here.

It would include the Altitude being flown at, the engine type, the weight of the aircraft (loadsheet), the headwinds, the weather, the air temperature - just to name a few.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

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[Soulmagent]

Okayyy...

This has been running through my brain... so I am going to throw it out to you all...

Remember towards the very beginning... when we started these threads...

there was a story of the plane landing safely in China (I believe ?)... .. but the story was (of course) soon reported as being not true...

I am looking in my notes... but, dang, if I don't have it written down...:banghead:

Does anyone remember this?

Could there be some inkling of truth to it?

:dunno:

I remember. If was said to have landed in Nanning ,china.

 

[momrids6]

yes there was a report that it landed at Nanning Airport!!!!!

On Twitter, it was wrongly reported that the aircraft had landed safely at Nanning airport in southern China; http://www.independent.co.uk/travel...nvestigators-will-be-looking-for-9178378.html

https://twitter.com/mpoppel/status/442128227654717440

Sky News: Authorities at Nanning Airport in China deny internet rumors that missing jet made emergency landing there

 

[JaimeInLA]

Newley Purnell ‏@newley 36s

Our latest: U.S. investigators think #MH370 stayed in the air about 4 hours past last confirmed location.

https://twitter.com/newley


For what it's worth this is the first "revelation" that has blown up like this on twitter. :twocents:

Well that would explain why the black box isn't pinging!

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Okay...

I found an article regarding rumors the plane landed in Nanning, China...

Please excuse that it is the Examiner... so not to be trusted...

But... I am giving it a shot...

Stranger things may have happened... kwim?

http://www.examiner.com/article/malaysia-airlines-rumors-of-emergency-landing-nanning-china-fake

Malaysia Airlines: Rumors of emergency landing in Nanning, China fake?

"There have been some unconfirmed reports that the plane made an emergency landing in Nanning, China, and that all 239 passengers and crew members are okay. However, James Kallstrom -- the former assistant director of the FBI -- spoke with CNN and said that if the plane had landed, everyone would know about it by now -- there wouldn't be any "rumors."

JMO

 

[revampz]

does anyone know if Nanning is in the area the Uigher terrorists are fighting for????

here we go mind ticking over at a million miles an hour..

 

[Soulmagent]

From this link:http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/777family/pf/pf_200product.page

Boeing 777-200ER

Maximum Fuel Capacity: 45,220 U.S. gal (171,170 L)

Maximum Range: 7,725 nautical miles (14,305 km)

Basic Dimensions:

Wing Span: 199 ft 11 in (60.9 m)

Overall Length: 209 ft 1 in (63.7 m)

Tail Height: 60 ft 9 in (18.5 m)

Interior Cabin Width: 19 ft 3 in (5.86 m)

Diameter: 20 ft 4 in (6.19 m)


So, anyone know how many hours it takes a plane to fly 7,725 nautical miles?

According to flightradar ,IIRC the plane was going 531 miles per hour.

 

[revampz]

more thinking....is Nanning within the four hours???

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Why would the terrorists keep the people alive? I feel like the days of hijackings with no victims are over. Apparently, they were pretty common in the early 1970's.

 

[MsFacetious]

But it wasn't full. I remember because it started about a 6 hour flight with 8 hours of fuel.
I didn't think that was nearly enough... I'd want a few hours of spare fuel if I was a pilot.
So it should have had about 7 hours of fuel after it dropped below the radar. :twocents:

I'll have to go find where I read it, but I believe I read that when this plane is full of fuel it can actually fly 16 hours (even though the flight was about a 6 hour flight). I'll see if I can find it again. I also read that flying at lower altitude uses up a bit more fuel. One more thought, it seems most pilots believe the only way transponders would be turned off would be by human hand, intentionally.

(I'm personally hoping for a hijack situation if only for the hope that some might still be alive.)