Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #4

[IHAVENOCLUE]

does anyone know if Nanning is in the area the Uigher terrorists are fighting for????

here we go mind ticking over at a million miles an hour..

http://www.mapquest.com/#d55d1bf42f572b63bcfd2f10

Here is a map of Nanning airport in china...

Zoom out....

It looks like it would fall within the radius someone posted up thread...

JMO

(Hope the map works...lease:

Note to all... Just because the story was denied... Doesn't mean it may not be true... Considering the massive conflicting reports we have been getting in this case... JMO )

ETA...Oh Jeez... It didn't post...

But... If you care to... Just type in Nanning International airport! China... And this mapquest map will take you there... :seeya:

 

[Chilly Willy]

Aliens... Extraterrestrial kind ....

Ducking...

Well? Every other possible scenario was already taken...shrug.

Honestly, I think some government inadvertently shot it down...

All IMO


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Shot it down when/where?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Imhoo we --the world--are being fed a lot of bs.

I think this plane was boarded by terrorist who blew it into smithereens. I don't think there's anything to be found....no plane debris, no passengers, no crew, no blackbox...nothin.





I do however LOVE reading everyone's thoughts, theories and post. YA'll rock.

:thewave:

The whole point of terrorism is to create terror.
If it was terrorists, they would take credit and provide some proof. Like videotaped suicide good-bye messages from individuals.


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[SapphireSteel]

All you guys going to <modsnip> because the guy played flight sim at home - you need to realize its not uncommon for pilots to have their own simulators at home.


https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=home 737 cockpit&sm=1








This setup was nothing compared to what myself and others have got....

The things that alarm me -

The middle eastern men travelling on stolen passports
The co pilots history of disrespecting his position
The radar blip miles off course, in the opposite direction
The transponder ceasing to operate - these can be switched off manually
The middle eastern individual asking for prayer s to get through security on Facebook
The disappearance of a MF plane!

Flight simulators have got nothing to do with my paranoia - BTW, is it still paranoia if your fears are true?

 

[CHERIE.T]

And doesn't the black box ping ping ping on sonar ?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Shot it down when/where?

I have no flipping idea.


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[MsFacetious]

Lost MH370 flew on for hours after vanishing from radar, reports Wall Street Journal

American investigators suspect that Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 stayed in the air for about four hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, the Wall Street Journal reported today.

The business paper said this raised the possibility that the Boeing 777-200ER jet could have flown on for hundreds of additional kilometres under conditions that remain murky.

Aviation investigators and national security officials believe the plane flew for a total of five hours based on data automatically downloaded and sent to the ground from the Boeing Co 777's engines as part of a routine maintenance and monitoring programme, the paper said.

http://my.news.yahoo.com/lost-mh370-flew-hours-vanishing-radar-reports-wall-052653561.html

 

[Arnie M]

7 virgins are waiting for him in heaven.:scared:

.......... it's 72 virgins waiting in heaven


........ trouble is it turns out they



....... are all old Nuns



.... who eat pork

 

[lawstudent]

The U.S. is awesome at aircrash investigations - I put way more trust in them, if these reports are true.

There have been several incidents of minor decompression leading to hypoxia and disorientation with the plane just drifting - I don't think that's all that hard to believe. Hijacking also seems more likely now, with the transponder being turned off, but I don't know. The whole thing is so weird. If it was a massive decompression and everything just disintegrated, it seems like we would have found something, but I know the terrain there can be tricky. People have to keep in mind that most countries are not anywhere near as organized as the U.S. when it comes to these things, so a lot of things that may look suspicious really are not. All the conflicting reports don't surprise me.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I get the feeling some people would be delighted if this turns out to be an Islamic terrorist act. Pretty sad, really.

No doubt. You can feel the excitement...

 

[gitana1]

I know it happens, but they're not supposed to be.
If this incident with this plane was due to the pilot/co-pilot smoking, then it's going to have to be enforced a lot more.

If passengers can't smoke, then neither should pilots. It's a safety thing.

Have you heard of one fatal incident on a commercial jet as a result of smoking?

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304914904579434653903086282

Interesting... could this be similar what happened to the Payne Stewart plane? How long did it fly unattended?

In that incident, the plane never flew off the radar during it;s "unmanned" flight and was intercepted three times by military jets trying to help it. It was found immediately because it was followed as it crashed.

And in this one, the transponder was off. What would the transponder have to do with decompression?

It's the combination of things that makes it hard to pinpoint a possibility.

Re the villagers again......that is why I was asking before about the currents, because three separate lots of witnesses around that same general area either heard a bang or saw a low flying plane with lights like coconuts or similar, which is around that Pulau Kapis island which is quite close to where they lost it on the radar.......

it is also in the same general area as where the chinese have the pictures from, but more out in the sea to the east............so was wondering if the direction of the current fits in with that picture.

However if that is the case then it doesn't correspond to what the oil rigger saw, UNLESS he had very good eyesight as it would be quite a distance away and further to the southwest.


I read somewhere that after they said "all right good night" they were switched to Vietnam air traffic control and it was 3 minutes later that they were lost on the radar....

this seems a bit too coincidental.......maybe triggered something off on the plane or similar, I don't know....thinking aloud again.

It is not humanely possible for the oil rigger guy to have been able to see anything from the rig, that was near the coast of Vietnam. Impossible. And it;s nowhere near the location he cited.

I cant believe my theories have gone from:

a hijacking or terrorism attack by 2 guys with stolen passports, with luggage not removed from one of the five that checked in and didn't board, and by another using the chinese guys passport (that wasn't stolen but the no. used)

to the military shot it down when it turned around and flew over the Malacca straights

to a crash because of something to do with fuselage thing and the 8 villagers and/or oil rigger saw it going down and the chinese have pictures of the debris

to a Uigher electronics professor has somehow hijacked this plane using his electronics expertise, flown in under the radar, turned of the transponder and turned back and has flown somewhere for four hours....

beam me up scottie

I know. I can;t believe anything now due to the ever changing story.

I'll have to go find where I read it, but I believe I read that when this plane is full of fuel it can actually fly 16 hours (even though the flight was about a 6 hour flight). I'll see if I can find it again. I also read that flying at lower altitude uses up a bit more fuel. One more thought, it seems most pilots believe the only way transponders would be turned off would be by human hand, intentionally.

(I'm personally hoping for a hijack situation if only for the hope that some might still be alive.)

BBM

Me too!!!!

If this plane flew for four more hours then wow. Puts the scope of the search way more bigger. Honestly the pilot must be responsible. Its the only thing that makes sense now. Hes the only one who can put the aircraft in a mode so it cannot be tracked. Why though would a pilot do such a thing though? what could be the motive?

As we saw with 9/11, it is absolutely untrue that the pilot is the only one who could've turned off the transponder.

I personally think it's possible that they accidentally shut off the transponder when trying to send out an alert. :twocents:

My two theories are:

1. Hijacking to steal the plane and use it later. (No clue where they landed or where the passengers are.)

2. Decompression or a similar issue...
Pilots realize it and drop like a rock intentionally (oxygen masks won't drop till 13,000 feet.)
They get to 10,000 feet or whatever then hit the auto pilot and try to send a distress signal with the transponder.
But they are already disoriented and accidentally shut off the transponder then lose consciousness.
Then the plane flies on auto pilot until it runs out of fuel and crashes into the East China Sea or somewhere over there.

I am not sure which I'd prefer if I was a passenger on the plane...

I think I;d prefer the one that gives me the chance of living - which would be hijacking.

 

[JaimeInLA]

All you guys going to <modsnip> because the guy played flight sim at home - you need to realize its not uncommon for pilots to have their own simulators at home.


https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=home 737 cockpit&sm=1


This setup was nothing compared to what myself and others have got....

How many pilots have complex simulator setups AND happened to pilot a plane that vanished into thin air, had its transponder turned off, and flew under the radar for 4 hours?!

 

[MsFacetious]

Why do you think they did anything with the passengers while they were still aboard the plane? Many planes have been hijacked and landed with the passengers still aboard.

Provided that it was hijacked at all... which it may not have been....

I don't actually think they did anything with the passengers while they were still aboard.
But if I needed to get rid of 239 people, I'd certainly prefer to take advantage of the ocean to do it. :twocents:
So that seemed like it would make the most sense and be the easiest.

If they landed the plane safely they clearly intend to use it later for something.
What would they do with 239 people once they landed? That's A LOT of hostages with no contact.
They would be more of a threat to you on the ground when you can't threaten to crash the plane. :twocents:

 

[Waddles]

Lost MH370 flew on for hours after vanishing from radar, reports Wall Street Journal

American investigators suspect that Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 stayed in the air for about four hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, the Wall Street Journal reported today.

The business paper said this raised the possibility that the Boeing 777-200ER jet could have flown on for hundreds of additional kilometres under conditions that remain murky.

Aviation investigators and national security officials believe the plane flew for a total of five hours based on data automatically downloaded and sent to the ground from the Boeing Co 777's engines as part of a routine maintenance and monitoring programme, the paper said.

http://my.news.yahoo.com/lost-mh370-flew-hours-vanishing-radar-reports-wall-052653561.html

What does this mean? "based on data automatically downloaded and sent to the ground from the Boeing Co 777's engines as part of a routine maintenance and monitoring programme"?

Do we have more details?

Just waking up and catching up...

 

[Linda7NJ]

It's the most bizarre set of circumstances.
Stealing a line from another poster... Just pondering the possibilities makes my hair hurt!


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[Chilly Willy]

If North Korea had this plane, first and foremost, it would have been detected as an extra flight into the country, wouldn't it? It is a commercial aircraft.


And, anyone familiar with North Korea, you really think they would hold a plane, a commercial airliner, for almost a week without demands? Pakistan as well? Or any country labeled as the boogieman?

Think about it. Demands would have been made. Publicly, and loudly, demands would have been publicized.

Question really is, do countries in the search efforts know this? Could that be why all the media on the search efforts so, for a lack of a better word, confused?

Why would North Korea report an extra flight into their country if they were responsible for stealing it? They would make no demands if they had plans for the aircraft, such as using it in the future for some terroristic act.

Maybe this is what the "there are things I can tell you and things I can't" statement was all about.

 

[JaimeInLA]

If North Korea had this plane, first and foremost, it would have been detected as an extra flight into the country, wouldn't it? It is a commercial aircraft.


And, anyone familiar with North Korea, you really think they would hold a plane, a commercial airliner, for almost a week without demands? Pakistan as well? Or any country labeled as the boogieman?

Think about it. Demands would have been made. Publicly, and loudly, demands would have been publicized.

Question really is, do countries in the search efforts know this? Could that be why all the media on the search efforts so, for a lack of a better word, confused?

I'm not so sure about that. It is WAY scarier to think a terrorist organization has a 777 at its disposal and we have no idea where it is and what they plan to do with it and when. They could fly it into a nuclear reactor, load it with dirty bombs and fly it into a city, etc.... To me, the silence is way more intimidating and scary.

 

[MsFacetious]

I like this guy, he explains how they reached the conclusions they did. :seeya:


Jon Ostrower &#8207;@jonostrower 3m

How did we calculate 2,200nm? We took #MH370 480 knots filed and plotted out from intersection IGARI, near the 777's last known position.

Jon Ostrower &#8207;@jonostrower 1h

How far is 2,200nm is from #MH370's last known location? That would get the 777 as far as the India-Pakistan border.

Jon Ostrower &#8207;@jonostrower 59m

A flight time of four additional hours after the 777 disappeared means #MH370 could have flown on for about 2,200nm

Jon Ostrower &#8207;@jonostrower 1h

Investigators pursuing notion the 777 was diverted "with the intention of using it later for another purpose."

Jon Ostrower &#8207;@jonostrower 1h

BREAKING WSJ EXCLUSIVE: Engine monitoring data shows missing 777 was airborne for five hours -source

https://twitter.com/jonostrower

 

[CHERIE.T]

The whole point of terrorism is to create terror.
If it was terrorists, they would take credit and provide some proof. Like videotaped suicide good-bye messages from individuals.


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Imo that's coming. The plane's vanishing already caused terror ............to the families and loved ones of the 277 passengers. Terror about this incident is making folks afraid to travel by air...... imo another type of terror.


Did the 9/11 plane flyers leave notes? I don't remember.

 

[gitana1]

Poor thing. So hard to watch.

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/v...mt-wife-of-man-missing-on-flight-370.cnn.html