Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #5

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  • #881
Bingo! :thumb:

?? Does this have bearing on the new information somehow or are you just agreeing? Aircrafts have tons of flammable things on them but usually they operate as intended and don't cause problems. I mean, it's full of fuel.

They are saying military radar captured the new information. Why didn't civil?

Because airliners use the transponders, not radar for way out in the ocean. The reason the military has it is in case of an attack where there would not be a transponder or other way of tracking.
 
  • #882
I am starting to think there are some extremely powerful people, governments, organizations and corporations behind this....


The Illuminati!

Actually, I'm kidding. But hey, one can never be sure.


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  • #883
As if this search needs any more obstacles.... This article reports:

Quote: "An already difficult search task has been complicated in some areas by a choking haze caused by burning forest and farmland that has enveloped much of Malaysia and spilled into the Strait of Malacca."

:(

Yeah please tell me that they checked the source of that, if it started after the plane disappeared?

I would have serious doubts that a fire today was caused by the plane. It's been a week!
 
  • #884
Does anyone else wonder why this plane was not followed by fighter jets or why fighter jets were not sent to look for it when it did not respond to air traffic control?

I am positive that most developed countries would follow a plane with fighter jets to assess the situation and potentially shoot the plane down if they were not responding to air traffic control after 9/11. If the plane was hijacked I wonder how they could be sure the plane would not be followed by military planes.

It is baffling what has happened to this plane. I cannot understand how someone a pilot or someone else is able to turn off the transponders this should not be possible. Every civilian plane should be visible at all times in the air for security purposes. I hope that lessons are learned and that organisations like the FAA, governments and plane manufacturers like Boeing and Airbus agree to modify planes so the transponders cannot be turned off.
 
  • #885
The island of Hulhumale in the Maldives seems to fit the reported/estimated flight time of 4 hours after IGORI, confirmed by pings, the reported/estimated direction, and has an adequate B777 runway in the middle of the ocean, etc.



This is being discussed on a popular airline pilot forum....I found it interesting...
 
  • #886
I've been re-reading information posted at an airline disaster website. The person who runs the site is legitimate and is apparently quite cautious about what he posts. (A really good site for learning about "incidents", but not great for fearful flyers!)

In any case, I noticed this - which is not newly on the site, but which I just noticed in light of today's news of the so-called erratic changes in the flight pattern of the missing plane. Notice the date:

"On Mar 8th 2014 aviation sources in China reported that radar data suggest a steep and sudden descent of the aircraft, during which the track of the aircraft changed from 024 degrees to 333 degrees. The aircraft was estimated to contact Ho Chi Minh Control Center (Vietnam) at 01:20L, but contact was never established."

http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=0
 
  • #887
"February 19, the Department of Homeland Security told the aviation industry that it has credible but non-specific information about a shoe-bomb plot against an airliner....

February 24, the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIP) released a video threatening attacks on Chinese Buddhists.
The group is linked to Al-Qaeda.

March 1, a vicious knife attack took place that killed 29 Chinese civilians. ETIP is almost certainly the culprit.

March 3, China Airlines issued an alert about a “significant risk of terrorist attacks against aviation.”

March 4, China Airlines branch in Taiwan receives an anonymous phone call in French. He says he tried to call the Beijing airport but did not get through.

The caller claims to be part of a counter-terrorism group....
in his native Chinese he says that Beijing’s airport and subway system will soon come under attack.


March 8, Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing disappears. The majority of the passengers are Chinese.

March 9, a previously-unknown group called the Chinese Martyrs’ Brigade claims credit.
(Although Islamist terrorist groups sometimes use different names, the statement includes no supporting details to lend it credibility.)

March 13, it was reported that a 35-year old Chinese Uighur passenger with flight simulation training.....


http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/missing-malaysian-flight-370-five-theories

Ok, day 7, I awoke to a possible crash in the Indian Ocean and lithium batteries. So, I figured what would it hurt to throw out yet another theory.

BBM This post got me thinking. What if, there was a hijacking situation. He/they were talking in their native language in the cockpit thinking the pilots could not understand what they were saying. Suppose they were saying they, once they were in Bejiing, were going to crash it into the airport. So they thought the pilots would not understand and would continue flying to Bejiing. But, one of the pilots or both, did understand, turned off the transponders or were forced to, refusing to fly to Bejiing and veering off course on purpose. They may have been trying to circle around and land back in Malaysia but the hijackers realized somehow they were not following the correct flight path. Then either there was a struggle and the hijackers crashed the jet into the ocean or they ran out of fuel. I am wondering if airline pilots have a secret way of communicating with numbers in talking to each other in a hijacking situtation. I know there is a hijacking code to relay to ground control and for whatever reason that was not given.
 
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  • #889
Has there been any word on what if anything was in the cargo, being transported/delivered? Just cauious as to what the pay load was.

Just reported on CNN with Wolf Blizter

Large amount of Lithium Batteries was part of the Cargo

From what I heard on CNN there are concerns with the amount of lithium batteries in the cargo of MH370

they said the 777 has the largest cargo hold of any passenger airplane and can carry alot of cargo

will go find a link to this

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/14/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/

"Among the things being considered is whether lithium batteries in the cargo hold, which have been blamed in previous crashes, played a role in the disappearance, according to U.S. officials briefed on the latest developments in the investigation. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release details to the media.
If the batteries being carried on the plane caused a fire, it still doesn't fully explain other anomalies with Flight 370, the officials say."


Older article on Lithium Batteries in cargo hold Dec 2010

Airplane Cargo Holds Can Be Too Hot for Li-Ion
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/airplane-lithium-ion-li-ion-batteries,11443.html
New findings brought to light by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) say that lithium ion batteries are sensitive to heat and can ignite in a hot environment. Of course, that is a characteristic of batteries in general, but the new research could lead to an even further more restrictive set of guidelines for what people can bring when flying.

The FAA also acknowledged publicly that the UPS 747-400 plane that crashed in Dubai earlier this year was carrying a large quantity of lithium batteries.
 
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  • #891
Does anyone else wonder why this plane was not followed by fighter jets or why fighter jets were not sent to look for it when it did not respond to air traffic control?

I am positive that most developed countries would follow a plane with fighter jets to assess the situation and potentially shoot the plane down if they were not responding to air traffic control after 9/11. If the plane was hijacked I wonder how they could be sure the plane would not be followed by military planes.

It is baffling what has happened to this plane. I cannot understand how someone a pilot or someone else is able to turn off the transponders this should not be possible. Every civilian plane should be visible at all times in the air for security purposes. I hope that lessons are learned and that organisations like the FAA, governments and plane manufacturers like Boeing and Airbus agree to modify planes so the transponders cannot be turned off.

The key word there is developed countries. And also, the plane was in the ocean. If it had gone into unauthorized airspace and refused to identify itself, it may have been shot down. Plus it was a passenger plane - they're not going to be as quick to shoot it down if they don't have more evidence it's going to be purposely crashed into a city. On 9/11 we knew that was the goal. I think normally we'd be a lot more cautious. It wasn't like a bunch of military planes suddenly appeared on the radar. If an undeveloped country isn't at war, it probably doesn't worry too much about a surprise airplane attack, if they were even able to fend it off. That's why those Indian islands turn the radar off at night - what would they need it for?

A plane IS visible at all times in the air, except for very remote places where it's not a threat to any nation, like the ocean. It is impossible to create a tracking system that cannot be disabled - it can always run out of power, and power needs to be disabled in the case of a fire. We don't live in a perfect world in which we can eliminate risks. People seem to have totally unrealistic expectations of how things work, which is making conspiracy theories run rampant - just because something sounds good doesn't mean it's feasible if you think about it for a minute. Yet people are still insisting cell phones work way out of the radius of cell towers and that it's shocking that a plane wouldn't have Internet.
 
  • #892
Some questions I have:

Very early published reports told of an air traffic controller at Ho Chi Minh City airport trying to communicate with the missing flight. He was expecting to "receive them" on his radar and when he could not raise a response from the plane, he contacted ANOTHER plane and asked THEM to try to contact the plane. They did so, and this was actually the last contact with the plane, the one in which the response was said to "sound mumbled". The article I read went on to say the HCM City controller asked the same "other plane" to try again to contact the missing plane. They tried again and got nothing.

I would like to know more about these events. Times. Where was the plane that actually heard the "mumbled" response? What did the HCM City controller do next when a plane he was expecting failed to show up? Did he contact anyone? Who?

Who actually first reported the plane missing? Who was it reported to?

Thank you for bringing this back up...

Through the myriad news articles/tweets/etc.... I have forgotten some of the past events that have been lost in the shuffle... But may still hold key information...

And... Sadly...,I can answer none of your questions.... But would like to see it followed up by reporters...

JMO

:seeya:
 
  • #893
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/15/w....html?emc=edit_na_20140314&nlid=65223328&_r=0


Sharp Changes in Altitude and Course After Jet Lost Contact
By MICHAEL FORSYTHE and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDTMARCH 14, 2014

SEPANG, Malaysia — Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 experienced significant changes in altitude after it lost contact with ground control, and altered its course more than once as if still under the command of a pilot, American officials and others familiar with the investigation said Friday.

Radar signals recorded by the Malaysian military appear to show the missing airliner climbing to 45,000 feet, above the approved altitude limit for a Boeing 777-200, soon after it disappeared from civilian radar and made a sharp turn to the west, according to a preliminary assessment by a person familiar with the data....



That's weird.
 
  • #894
As if this search needs any more obstacles.... This article reports:

Quote: "An already difficult search task has been complicated in some areas by a choking haze caused by burning forest and farmland that has enveloped much of Malaysia and spilled into the Strait of Malacca."

:(

It's quite common to have this "haze" in this part of the world. I have experienced it twice - once in Singapore and once in Malaysia - and both times it was due to land being burned in Sumatra, Indonesia. Singapore was especially bad, very low visibilty and everyone wearing face masks.
 
  • #895
My daughter and her boyfriend are about to fly to Australia. I am very nervous about this, for the first time. I have flown all over, and am not usually nervous. But this weird case has me very anxious and seeing my baby girl go off on a long international flight is very disturbing. :cry:

I think that's a natural reaction. But I have to repeat: flying is safe. This incident doesn't change that. Based on the volume of planes in the air each minute, incidents like this do not impact the safety of flying or make it "risky", really at all. It is still VASTLY more dangerous to stand on your porch.

If it regained altitude, that would mean someone was in control of the plane. If it was going down (for whatever reason), it wouldn't have regained altitude before flying over the Indian Ocean.

And what does the report mean by "flying erratically?" That could mean it was zig-zagging all over the place, or it could simply mean it was flying really low while going too fast.

In the Egypt Air suicide, the co-pilot ran back in the cockpit and tried to wrest control of the plane, screaming to the pilot, "pull with me!!!" To get it out of a dive. Maybe that's what was happening in this case?
 
  • #896
I've been re-reading information posted at an airline disaster website. The person who runs the site is legitimate and is apparently quite cautious about what he posts. (A really good site for learning about "incidents", but not great for fearful flyers!)

In any case, I noticed this - which is not newly on the site, but which I just noticed in light of today's news of the so-called erratic changes in the flight pattern of the missing plane. Notice the date:

"On Mar 8th 2014 aviation sources in China reported that radar data suggest a steep and sudden descent of the aircraft, during which the track of the aircraft changed from 024 degrees to 333 degrees. The aircraft was estimated to contact Ho Chi Minh Control Center (Vietnam) at 01:20L, but contact was never established."

http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=0

This would make sense, if the huge cell tower in Kota Bharu picked up cell phone data at a lower altitude.

:dunno: I'm seeing some sense here. These tid bits of info are leading me to believe it did in fact go west.
 
  • #897
The island of Hulhumale in the Maldives seems to fit the reported/estimated flight time of 4 hours after IGORI, confirmed by pings, the reported/estimated direction, and has an adequate B777 runway in the middle of the ocean, etc.



This is being discussed on a popular airline pilot forum....I found it interesting...


Do they have ideas on why the island residents haven't reported it?


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  • #898
Has anyone just watched the Ch5 (UK) documentary about this? I am just about to watch it on +1, wondering whether anything new revealed...

Just watched this and not much to add, except right at the end an elderly pilot (who has been involved in two plane crashes) said he reckoned they lost the windshield or a cabin window and suffered rapid decompression.

Not sure I have seen this theory about windows blowing out on here, have we covered it?
 
  • #899
Just watched this and not much to add, except right at the end an elderly pilot (who has been involved in two plane crashes) said he reckoned they lost the windshield or a cabin window and suffered rapid decompression.



Not sure I have seen this theory about windows blowing out on here, have we covered it?


There were questions about possibly hitting a bird but was dismissed. Birds can't breathe way up there.


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