Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #5

[MsFacetious]

If it regained altitude, that would mean someone was in control of the plane. If it was going down (for whatever reason), it wouldn't have regained altitude before flying over the Indian Ocean.

And what does the report mean by "flying erratically?" That could mean it was zig-zagging all over the place, or it could simply mean it was flying really low while going too fast.

I would consider going above the limits for your plane, then dropping several thousand feet to be flying erratically. :twocents:
I also think it could be consistent with a struggle in the pit, or with a mechanical issue. :twocents:

 

[Joe Friday]

By disappeared or gone, I meant that the transponder information would be gone - poof - with no alerts or alarms on the ground that would bring out fighter jets as the OP suggested. Primary surveillance radar is a rotating antenna that picks up any aircraft within 60 miles from the terminal where the radar is located. The plane was out of that range.

Trust me if I shut off the transponder in my plane NO jets would be scrambled, unless I was heading for the White House or Pentagon or something like that.

While flying we get traffic alerts from air traffic control of undetermined aircraft. They will tell us where the plane is in relation to our plane and direction of travel, for example 'twelve o'clock, four mile heading east' but they don't know what altitude. That is because the plane either doesn't have a transponder or they have it turned off. If I remember correctly you are only required to have a transponder in certain air space. Class A, B and C. A is anything over 18,000 ft. B and C is near busier airports.

Even if I turned off my transponder near a busy class B airport no jets would be scrambled.

 

[katydid23]

I would like to know if the area that the plane turned around in , has cell towers anywhere. I still don't understand why none of the passengers texted anyone. I mean, if the plane was flying erratically, wouldnt someone reach out to a loved one in fear?

 

[ptandj]

An Asia-based pilot of a Boeing 777-200, who asked not to be identified because he was not authorized to speak to reporters, said an ascent above the plane’s service limit of 43,100 feet, along with a depressurized cabin, could have rendered the passengers and crew unconscious, and could be a deliberate maneuver by a pilot or hijacker.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/15/world/asia/malaysia-military-radar.html?hp&_r=0

bbm

snipped - was just coming to quote this, too! really interesting...

 

[lawstudent]

Exactly! Why? Makes no sense. :notgood:

Well malaysias responsibilities had ceased if it was going into new airspace. China was responsible for contact. There's no reason for multiple towers to try.

 

[21merc7]

I would like to know if the area that the plane turned around in , has cell towers anywhere. I still don't understand why none of the passengers texted anyone. I mean, if the plane was flying erratically, wouldnt someone reach out to a loved one in fear?

Did it turn around?

That was our first report, but it has flipped, flopped, and went the story soured and is now south bound in minds.

 

[Intermezzo]

good afternoon all
I will try to read and catch up but by what I am reading on this page is the theory Terrorism and that the plane went west over the Indian Ocean?

 

[PrairieWind]

Radar signals recorded by the Malaysian military appear to show the missing airliner climbing to 45,000 feet, above the approved altitude limit for a Boeing 777-200, soon after it disappeared from civilian radar and made a sharp turn to the west, according to a preliminary assessment by a person familiar with the data.

Investigators have also examined data transmitted from the plane’s Rolls-Royce engines that shows it descending 40,000 feet in the space of a minute, according to a senior American official briefed on the investigation. But investigators do not believe the readings are accurate because the aircraft would likely haven taken longer to fall such a distance.

An Asia-based pilot of a Boeing 777-200, who asked not to be identified because he was not authorized to speak to reporters, said an ascent above the plane’s service limit of 43,100 feet, along with a depressurized cabin, could have rendered the passengers and crew unconscious, and could be a deliberate maneuver by a pilot or hijacker.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/15/world/asia/malaysia-military-radar.html?hp&_r=0

bbm

This is interesting and brings to my mind a new theory. Is it possible for a pilot to "vent" the cabin, somehow intentionally bleed out the air? Consider this: Pilot or co-pilot is either suicidal or terrorist/pirate. Gets the plane to altitude and then disables/kills the other pilot. He dons his oxygen mask and vents the plane to kill/disable the passengers. He turns and climbs to 44,000 to ensure the air is all gone and passengers deceased. He then decends to 20-23,000 ft to re-oxygenate the plane, stops the air leak, levels off. He now can remove his oxygen mask, and then proceeds to his final destination (whatever it is) without interference from anyone else. Is that possible?

 

[21merc7]

I don't think I'm smart enough to understand time travel because that just went WAY over my head. Like I'm still stuck trying to figure out that movie Inception.


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Try Quantum Theory. Has nothing to do with this thread.

The time travel is a joke.:blowkiss:

 

[Spellbound]

Is this the same passenger that is being reported to be an Artist on some sites ?? Or was there two 35 year old Uighur's ??


www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/interpol-looking-at-35-year-old-uighur-passenger-on-mh370

Yes. He has a wife and 10 year old daughter, is an art teacher; was with a group of calligraphers and painters going to an exhibit of their work.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/10/w...-lives-signs-of-hope-and-prosperity.html?_r=0

 

[21merc7]

good afternoon all
i will try to read and catch up but by what i am reading on this page is the theory terrorism and that the plane went west over the indian ocean?

nothing new today!

Uss kidd may be in indian ocean

nothing worth reporting

merely gossip rags making new headlines

 

[lawstudent]

This is interesting and brings to my mind a new theory. Is it possible for a pilot to "vent" the cabin, somehow intentionally bleed out the air? Consider this: Pilot or co-pilot is either suicidal or terrorist/pirate. Gets the plane to altitude and then disables/kills the other pilot. He dons his oxygen mask and vents the plane to kill/disable the passengers. He turns and climbs to 44,000 to ensure the air is all gone and passengers deceased. He then decends to 20-23,000 ft to re-oxygenate the plane, stops the air leak, levels off. He now can remove his oxygen mask, and then proceeds to his final destination (whatever it is) without interference from anyone else. Is that possible?

But others would have masks too.

 

[ilovepierre]

I would consider going above the limits for your plane, then dropping several thousand feet to be flying erratically. :twocents:
I also think it could be consistent with a struggle in the pit, or with a mechanical issue. :twocents:

What sort of mechanical issue would cause a plane to go from 30 000 feet to 40 000 feet and then back down to 30 000 feet? Unless a mechanical issue happened when the plane went to 40 000 feet?

If cabin depressurization did occur, is there anyway to get the pressure back to normal to continue flying for another 4 hours?

 

[MsFacetious]

Fox News is reporting on the recent reports (going up to 45,000 feet then dropping to 23,000.)
I was surprised that a news channel was actually that up to date.

 

[ilovepierre]

good afternoon all
I will try to read and catch up but by what I am reading on this page is the theory Terrorism and that the plane went west over the Indian Ocean?

For the most part, yes.

 

[JaimeInLA]

I would like to know if the area that the plane turned around in , has cell towers anywhere. I still don't understand why none of the passengers texted anyone. I mean, if the plane was flying erratically, wouldnt someone reach out to a loved one in fear?

Yes, did you see the TMZ story on it? There is a huge cell tower very close to where the plane turned around and headed west. Nobody even had to text. If anyone even had their phone ON (not in airplane mode) -- it would have pinged off this tower. I know it is TMZ, but they say this cell tower is the key to solving the mystery.

 

[MsFacetious]

What sort of mechanical issue would cause a plane to go from 30 000 feet to 40 000 feet and then back down to 30 000 feet? Unless a mechanical issue happened when the plane went to 40 000 feet?

If cabin depressurization did occur, is there anyway to get the pressure back to normal to continue flying for another 4 hours?

I am no aviation expert. So I'm not much help there.
However I have been studying plane crashes since this happened.
There have been a couple of them that went up and down, trying to regain control of the plane.
I am not sure on specifics, but I know I've heard of it happening before. :seeya:

However, it is also very consistent with a struggle. Fighting over control of the plane. :twocents:

 

[PrairieWind]

I would like to know if the area that the plane turned around in , has cell towers anywhere. I still don't understand why none of the passengers texted anyone. I mean, if the plane was flying erratically, wouldnt someone reach out to a loved one in fear?

The plane turned around over the Gulf of Thailand, so no towers. But even if there were, at 35,000 its too high to get service from ground based towers. Regular cell phones are useless.

 

[Elley Mae]

Well malaysias responsibilities had ceased if it was going into new airspace. China was responsible for contact. There's no reason for multiple towers to try.

bbm, not quite, vietnam was to take over from malaysia.

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He did disclose that the last words heard from the flight were “All right, good night.” That was the crew’s response to Malaysian air traffic controllers who had told them the plane was entering Vietnamese air space and air traffic controllers from Ho Chi Minh city would take over.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rch-mired-in-confusion-over-planes-final-path

 

[AlwaysShocked]

"A group known as the Chinese Martyrs’ Brigade has reportedly claimed it is behind the disappearance of the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

Late last night, an email was sent to a number of journalists in China, threatening: “You kill one of our clan, we will kill 100 of you as payback.”

It makes a purported threat in the wake of a knife attack in Kinming last week, in which 29 people were killed and over 100 injured.

However, officials in Malaysia have cautioned the email could be a hoax designed to increase ethnic tensions in China.

“There is no sound or credible grounds to justify their claims,” said Malaysia’s acting Transport Minister, Datuk Seri Hishammuddin, adding that the email did not explain what had happened to the plane.

He also said the email was delivered through an encrypted Hushmail web service, which makes it “virtually impossibly” to trace."


http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/21...nsibility-of-missing-malaysia-airlines-mh370/


Anyone think that perhaps this claim should be revisited?