Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #5

[MrsG728]

Please understand I am not being snarky here. I sincerely believe we know nothing a all, but what we know is this:
We have a missing plane
The outcome cannot possibly be positive.

Thanks so much to everyone for offering such insight and deeply analytic theories. I've been a WS'er for 10+ years, and I think I am learning more from this discussion than any other... Ever. You've also provided me with so much plagarist opportunities when discussing this mystery outside of WS. LOL...
You guys are awesome! I don't have a theory, just an assumption about what may have happened. Your words have kept my brain moving.....

 

[Intermezzo]

Right! I'm basing my theories off of the fact that there was a huge cell tower in Kota Bharu. If phones were on, which they probably were, then there is data! Pings! If the plane dropped altitude and was picked up by this huge station! It proves it went west!


I'm just gonna quit talking about it... :sigh: :shush:

:blowkiss:

Yes,Good thing people did not turn off their cellphone and the plane's altitude was low enough for that particular cell tower to have pinged those phones..

.it gives investigators some concrete information that the plane headed west

 

[Intermezzo]

Open a browser to the following URL:

https://skyvector.com/?ll=8.0672066...L:F.WM.DUKUN:F.WM.MAPSO:F.WM.MINAT:F.VO.IGREX

Zoom out to see the possible & perplexing flight course reported in the news media.

The flight path details from departure to waypoint IGARI, along airway R208, hasn't been disputed.

I took the dangerous license to embed waypoints (DUKUN, MAPSO, and MINAT) between GIVAL and IGREX so as to imply MH370 following airway P628 and to give clarity to the theoretical flight path passing waypoint IGREX.

Again, one can dangerously theorize this possible flight path would carry MH370 towards Andaman Island over the Andaman Sea.

One may then dead reckon, using airway P628 or airway P761, continuing over the Bay of Bengal towards the interior of India.

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1PW

BBM
<modsnip>..do they know what this navigational waypoint route is? do they know the exact route the plane was diverted to?

Experts say someone who knew had to manually enter the route and experts say its a commonly used navigational waypoint..

So can we get the specifics of the route..I know they say towards Europe and the middle east but is there a map with the route that we can see?

Am I making sense?...

This is what I was looking for...
Thank You 1PW!!!

 

[kimi_SFC]

Open a browser to the following URL:

https://skyvector.com/?ll=8.0672066...L:F.WM.DUKUN:F.WM.MAPSO:F.WM.MINAT:F.VO.IGREX

Zoom out to see the possible & perplexing flight course reported in the news media.

The flight path details from departure to waypoint IGARI, along airway R208, hasn't been disputed.

I took the dangerous license to embed waypoints (DUKUN, MAPSO, and MINAT) between GIVAL and IGREX so as to imply MH370 following airway P628 and to give clarity to the theoretical flight path passing waypoint IGREX.

Again, one can dangerously theorize this possible flight path would carry MH370 towards Andaman Island over the Andaman Sea.

One may then dead reckon, using airway P628 or airway P761, continuing over the Bay of Bengal towards the interior of India.

--
1PW

Here is the resized map, zoomed out:

[URL=http://s1220.photobucket.com/user/kimi_SFC/media/e912bc0a-29af-4d44-bf27-e9555207ef0f_zps07b027b6.png.html][/URL]

and zoomed in:

[URL=http://s1220.photobucket.com/user/kimi_SFC/media/4d5ecde4-9dea-4529-91a6-cba83f55ecc0_zps14a406c5.png.html][/URL]

1PW - :welcome4:

 

[MrsG728]

If this is true!!!!!!!

Oi, if it's true, this is bigger of a Scandal than we could imagine. Like, things that go bump in the night....

 

[ilovepierre]

Welcome! Excellent first post.

Do we know how much fuel they had and exactly how far it could take them?

They had 6-7 hours of fuel when the plane disappeared.
The plane could have flown anywhere with that much fuel. Well maybe not ANYWHERE...

Here's a basic map showing how far the plane could go/where it could possibly be based on the recent information

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_t...ight_missing_plane_search_area_grows_map.html

 

[Intermezzo]

Welcome! Excellent first post.

Do we know how much fuel they had and exactly how far it could take them?

I believe the plane carried enough fuel for a 7 hour flight..

 

[lawstudent]

I think the plane that crashed into the Everglades a while ago was carrying cargo that it should not have been, but the company shipping it had not been clear about what was actually contained. I think it was something like an oxygen masks which had to be shipped totally disassembled, but some of them were only partially disabled, and there was a fire in the cargo hold and they were able to function and feed the fire with oxygen. And then I think maybe tires were also being shipped and fueled it. Even if something is screened for obvious issues, there are some things that may not look threatening and won't be unless a few things go wrong at once. That could have happened, but the rest of the circumstances don't suggest it. Fires can burn for a while without bringing down the plane, but I can't see the pilot not letting anyone know.

Also, wasn't there a situation fairly recently where an alligator got out of its cage after being smuggled on an African flight? Aren't there a lot of countries with little to no screening? In the U.S. it would be scandalous, but I don't know if that's true everywhere. I always wondered what procedures were for planes entering the U.S. from other countries without our screen procedures.

 

[JerseyGirl]

At this point, there is no evidence of a crash. Just going by reports that the United States and Malaysia now believe it did in fact crash in the Indian Ocean. They are searching.....

No one mentioned "crash". I believe it's being reported as "going into the Indian Ocean".

I believe that means either by land or sea.

I believe land.

 

[Plumeria5]

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_hijacking"]Aircraft hijacking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Informing air traffic control

"To communicate to air traffic control that an aircraft is being hijacked, a pilot under duress should squawk 7500 or vocally, by radio communication, transmit "(Aircraft callsign); Transponder seven five zero zero." This should be done when possible and safe. An air traffic controller who suspects an aircraft may have been hijacked may ask the pilot to confirm "squawking assigned code." If the aircraft is not being hijacked, the pilot should not squawk 7500 and should inform the controller accordingly. A pilot under duress may also elect to respond that the aircraft is not being hijacked, but then neglect to change to a different squawk code. In this case, the controller would make no further requests and immediately inform the appropriate authorities. A complete lack of a response would also be taken to indicate a possible hijacking. Of course, a loss of radio communications may also be the cause for a lack of response, in which case a pilot would usually squawk 7600 anyway.[16]

On 9/11, the suicide hijackers did not make any attempt to contact ground control to inform anyone about their hijackings, nor engage in any dialogue or negotiations. However, the hijacker-pilot of Flight 11 and the ringleader of the terrorist cell, Mohamed Atta, mistakenly transmitted announcements to ATC, meaning to go through the Boeing 767. Also, Amy Sweeney and Betty Ong called the American Airlines office, telling the workers that Flight 11 was hijacked. 9/11 hijacker-pilot Ziad Jarrah aboard Flight 93 also made a similar error when he mistakenly transmitted announcements to Cleveland ATC about the hijacking."

 

[ilovepierre]

All the X-ray machines were down? I'd think that would result in delayed flights until they were fixed, not in loading unscanned cargo.

Unless I read the OP's post wrong.
But I can't see all x-ray machines being down...not at an international airport. I don't care how third world it is....

 

[JerseyGirl]

They had 6-7 hours of fuel when the plane disappeared.
The plane could have flown anywhere with that much fuel. Well maybe not ANYWHERE...

Here's a basic map showing how far the plane could go/where it could possibly be based on the recent information

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_t...ight_missing_plane_search_area_grows_map.html

Pakistan!!

 

[Intermezzo]

Here is the resized map, zoomed out:

[URL=http://s1220.photobucket.com/user/kimi_SFC/media/e912bc0a-29af-4d44-bf27-e9555207ef0f_zps07b027b6.png.html][/URL]

and zoomed in:

[URL=http://s1220.photobucket.com/user/kimi_SFC/media/4d5ecde4-9dea-4529-91a6-cba83f55ecc0_zps14a406c5.png.html][/URL]

1PW - :welcome4:

The route seems to going towards India? and that it was at 35,000ft over water..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...craft-pinging-FIVE-hours-vanished-flying.html
The Wall Street Journal reported that the 'pings' sent from missing flight 370 provided the plane's location, speed and altitude for at least five hours after it vanished from radar.

The final message was sent to satellites - operated by British telecommunications company Immarsat - over water at what officials say was a normal cruising altitude, believed to be 35,000.

US officials declined to reveal the location of the last ever transmission sent by flight 370 and admitted they do not know why they stopped.

 

[panthera]

I don't believe there are any survivors at this point, either. It's been a week.
I can't see hijackers holding 239 people hostage.

Agree, not for this length of time at an unknown location with no demands. If this were a hijacking and the plane landed safely somewhere I would expect a scenario similar to TWA Flight 847 in 1985.

I do not discount a hijacking, however, and I also believe the plane crashed.

MOO

 

[momrids6]

live map with a Gebco seafloor basemap and vector bathymetry. http://sandbox.maps.arcgis.com/apps...x.html?appid=95cbede59b3e471eb14b52c362966934

You can change the basemaps and layers using the buttons at the top of the map...

 

[Softail]

No one mentioned "crash". I believe it's being reported as "going into the Indian Ocean".

I believe that means either by land or sea.

I believe land.

:blowkiss: I have to disagree... Nobody is searching land. All indications by our own military and now Malaysian, its that it crashed into the Indian Ocean.

:banghead:

I tend to believe OUR Military!

 

[JerseyGirl]

Agree, not for this length of time at an unknown location with no demands. If this were a hijacking and the plane landed safely somewhere I would expect a scenario similar to TWA Flight 847 in 1985.

I do not discount a hijacking, however, and I also believe the plane crashed.

MOO

ugh, so sad.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_847"]TWA Flight 847 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[LambChop]

I worked at Pratt and Whitney at the time and watched the 747 land on the airfield behind the building where I worked. It was not an overly long runway and the plane landed with plenty of room to spare. Also took off without any trouble. Not sure how much bigger the 777 is. Below is a quote from a blog.

"Many years ago, I attended an air show at the old Rentschler Field in East Hartford. This was a fun day in the fall with great static displays, including a 747, and plenty of smaller crafts."

http://airhead55-ralph.blogspot.com/2009_10_01_archive.html

 

[lawstudent]

How many places could it have actually landed safely and not been found by now? Unless it was hidden in a building, any airstrip big enough must be reasonably visible.

 

[Nymeria]

Does anyone know if Tomnod has updated so that you can search the new target areas?
The site is not easy to navigate (to a newb like me), I am trying to figure it out.