Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #7

[Snoods]

any word on when the next scheduled press conference is set?

I can tell you when it will be cancelled, ten minutes before.

 

[Intermezzo]

Intermezzo, those are sandbars. It was explained by one of the people scrutinizing the tags (on FB, I think).
They look pretty cool though, don't they?

ok good
the more tiles I followed I thought NO WAY too long for a slick and it was light in colour
Yes, it does look cool.

 

[John51]

BBM. What??? Why would he resign? Reminds me of U.S politicians who resign for no apparent reason, then a couple of days later we find out they committed a crime or did something scandalous. Hmmmm.

Since this event I have been beefing up myself with Malaysian politics.

Try the following link

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...se-re-malaysias-bribery-murder-scandal-05347/

Before Najib was the Prime Minister he was the Defence Minister in charge of the subs purchase.

and this one

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shaariibuugiin_Altantuyaa"]Murder of Shaariibuugiin Altantuyaa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[SuziQ]

To release Anwar Ibrahim you would have to go through a court appeal process since his sentences was already handed down a day before the plane went missing.

Which if not mistaken is at the Federal court. My basic knowledge on this indicate this is the final option for appeal, failing which he will be imprison. But these court process would take ages I think in country like Malaysia.

IIRC, there have been hijackings and kidnappings that resulted in some prisoners being released. I'm thinking back to the 70's and 80's, and a deal was negotiated in some cases? The usual legal process wouldn't apply.

 

[Intermezzo]

Whereabouts are those coordinates located? Thanks

I will look for the post but I think someone posted north of the Strait of Malacca in the Andaman Sea near Port Blair in South Andaman Island

I quoted the post with the picture of the location on the next page, page 12 Post #280

 

[lawstudent]

The whole Vietnam communications story is strange imo. We've never really heard from them. Could the story be a coverup if possibly the ATC in Vietnam had shut down for the night? I'm so curious about this because of a comment (not sure of the source) about radar being too expensive to keep on all the time.

The same flight route took place three times every week. The pilots would know if the Vietnam handoff was out of business at that time in the morning. Maybe officials don't want that information known due to being viewed as letting the ball drop.

Why would another pilot be able to connect to the flight if the ATC of Vietnam were unable to do so? Especially if they were able to connect verbally but then not care that they were unable to understand the communication.
Can anybody explain how or why this possibility makes sense? No one on the news is talking about this alleged communication.

I keep wondering if Vietnam accidentally shot it down after mistaking it for a threat, but I feel like we would have known by now somehow - I think most countries have technology that can tell where missiles are launched?

Vietnam could connect, right? It's just that they weren't getting a response? The other plane may have thought it was weird they were getting muffled communications, but what were they going to do? Other planes in the area can't help - they can only try and take a look if instructed to do so. I don't know how close they were.

 

[Nymeria]

Whereabouts are those coordinates located? Thanks

Straits of Malacca, IIRC.
Someone posted exact location a page or so back.
Sorry, I am just getting tired and loopy, getting to the point where the brain is mush.

Info overload! kay:

 

[ilovepierre]

Also, I think it is pretty much agreed on by everyone that the plane was hijacked and flown on for hours, and not mechanical or pilot error, right?

SBM.
I'm in the hijack camp.
I have been pretty much from the start.

 

[Snoods]

My mind didn't even go there - but surely the demand would have been made by now - maybe that was the intent and then it crashed? It's an interesting theory...

Stealing a quote from John51, maybe it HAS been made? They wouldn't tell us, would they?

 

[kai]

It's not mind-boggling. There are legitimate reasons that the person in control of the plane needs to do so that happen much more frequently than pilot suicides. Plus, a black box is only helpful after-the-fact and wouldn't prevent a crash.

Not picking on you, but can you please give a few examples of legitimate reasons why a pilot would need to disable the "black box."

I guess I must have missed something upthread in regards to the ability to tamper with the "black box." That is disturbing if it is true that it would be able to be tampered with.

I feel so much sorrow for the loved ones of the missing passengers and crew.

(ETA: After reading the next page I see there was a misunderstanding with the transponder vs the black box)

 

[Intermezzo]

To answer Isabelle's question, here is a pic

I'll upload an overview map, lat and lon are indicated with a red arrow, south end of the island. I'll upload a closeup shortly. A yellow pin at the end of the island indicates the spot.

Click to open

View attachment 41924

 

[police_state]

What reasons would cause a need for disabling of the black box? Or the transponder? Or the acars?

It's been mentioned on here a few times, the transponder is turned off when the plane is on the ground. Sure would be nice if that was an automatic thing and not controlled manually. Hindsight is 20/20 though! It could also need to be disabled in the case of an electrical issue. Same with ACARS I think.

I do not believe the black box can be tampered with inflight due to its location on the plane in the tail cone.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Stealing a quote from John51, maybe it HAS been made? They wouldn't tell us, would they?

*Hands on hips* They won't call me?! Well I never...(grumbling)!! fftobed:

 

[Intermezzo]

Gotta go
Hope to hear good news tomorrow

 

[lawstudent]

BBM Were they aware of what was going on while they were in the air?

I hear you, I could be tranq darted elephant style and I'd still never be able to sleep on a plane. I just put on my headphones and get lost in my "flying" music and a few wine-a-roos.

Yeah, same - I've never had the courage to drink on a flight though, but I understand why people do. I'd have to pee too badly and I wouldn't want an incident like the one with the French actor - plus alcohol gives me insomnia! It would relax me, but I wouldn't sleep. At least I don't get belligerent.

They were not aware at all. He got off the plane (Boston-FL, the route of one of the hijacked planes) and noticed the whole airport was empty except for a small crowd around a TV....he drove back several days later. He stayed in the hotel where the hijackers did the night before to avoid traffic, and he'd changed his plane last minute so my family wasn't sure...I was pretty young and my dad traveled so much that I didn't notice if he was home or not, so fortunately I was not worried and didn't hear about it until later.

He was also about to get on the subway in England when it was bombed . . .

 

[SeriouslySearching]

For some reason, I can't recall why Geraldo with ships is funny. But I know there's a reason! When I read your post, I thought that Geraldo likes his boats! Why?

Geraldo and waves:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FziScjyf4Ic"]Geraldo Rivera Falls From Hurricane IKE - YouTube[/ame] :floorlaugh:

(Plus he has a yacht he entertained Baez on a few times)

 

[lawstudent]

Not picking on you, but can you please give a few examples of legitimate reasons why a pilot would need to disable the "black box."

I guess I must have missed something upthread in regards to the ability to tamper with the "black box." That is disturbing if it is true that it would be able to be tampered with.

I feel so much sorrow for the loved ones of the missing passengers and crew.

Sorry for the confusion - I explained downthread that the legitimate reasons thing was in regard to depressurization - the black box was not disabled in this case, nor can it ever be. I was also thinking about the transponder because that was what the pilot had turned off and what we've been discussing - some of the articles apparently are referring to the wrong thing.

 

[fruity]

Ok, so if the plane is the primary interest and it has landed safely somewhere, what can they do with it since Rolls will know if that engine starts back up again.... Right? Nor no?

I don't think it would be used for years. They would fix any issues (like the ACARS still sending blips), install new stuff and would plan then train people for a new attack .

If this is a terrorist thing it would be the first step in their plan.

 

[kincaid]

Someone on CNN did clarify the aircraft was not equipped for cell phone use.

MOO

There have been experts on CNN that explained why cell phones would be useless. Unfortunately, CNN just gets what ever talking heads they can find to fill time and not all of them are very knowledgable. They have guests explain why cell phones couldn't be used, then in the next segment, a talking head asks why the cell phones weren't working. The hosts don't know the info and the some of the guests have very little to contribute yet keep talking. Ugh!

Earlier this morning on CNN, they had a really great Google earth graphic explaining how they got the lines or arc on the map where the last satellite ping came from, how it's impossible to triangulate, all they can tell is that the plane crossed somewhere on the arch at 8:10. Unfortunately, the later hosts are clueless and acting like the arc was the route the plane took, not that the plane was somewhere on that line when the geosynchronous satellite got that last ping.

CNN keeps saying the same info all the time and skip over talking head guests that have good information. One guy (don't remember his name) said that it would require special tools to turn off the Acars transmitter in the electronics bay. That shows some premeditation but it just went by without anyone commenting or repeating it.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

(apologies if this has been posted; can't keep up with this thread!)

Expert Was Needed to Disable Malaysia Airlines Jet Systems
Detailed Knowledge Would Be Required

If multiple communication systems aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 were manually disabled, as investigators increasingly suspect happened, it would have required detailed knowledge of the long-range Boeing 777's inner workings.
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After vanishing, the jet's satellite communications system continued to ping orbiting satellites for at least five hours. The pings ceased at a point over the Indian Ocean, while the aircraft was at a normal cruise altitude, say two people familiar with the jet's last known position. Investigators are trying to understand that loss, and whether or not "something catastrophic happened or someone switched off" the satellite communication system, says one of the people.

A physical disconnection of the satellite communications system would require extremely detailed knowledge of the aircraft, its internal structure and its systems. The satellite data system is spread across the aircraft and disabling it would require physical access to key components. Disconnecting the satellite data system from the jet's central computer, known as AIMS, would disable its transmission. The central computer can be reached from inside the jet while it is flying, but its whereabouts would have to be known by someone deeply familiar with the 777.
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Getting into the area housing the 777's computers would "not take a lot" of knowledge, said an aviation professional who has worked with the 777. However, this person added, "to know what to do there to disable" systems would require considerable understanding of the jet's inner workings.
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http://online.wsj.com/news/article_...4579439653701712312-lMyQjAxMTA0MDEwNDExNDQyWj

Or...perhaps radar-blocking computer technology was used?