Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #7

[Snoods]

I usually am so excited to fly and get away.
I am flying with my dog next Wednesday.
I am not excited.

Oh Plumy I promise you'll be fine! Please try not to be frightened. If anything security will be increased exponentially!

 

[Steely Dan]

I hope like a week ago a guy was called into the British MI5. He was then briefed that a plane had been stolen. A bald man with a white cat was planning to use the plane to release a satellite that will be able to beam a laser and destroy cities, unless he gets one billion dollars! They'd tracked it to an area in Vietnam. They'd narrowed it down to a small area, but they don't want to make a big show of going in until they're sure it's there. So he's handed his Walther PPK, an exploding pen, a briefcase that turns into a scanner for Rolls Royce plane engines, a super hottie to accompany him, and a ticket to Vietnam with a license to kill.

Maybe we'll hear about something like that!

 

[CARIIS]

Well... I got back from a birthday dinner for my BIL...

After spending ungawdly number of hours this past week glued to this thread... Tonight I realized just how conversationally stunted I have become...

I couldn't finish a sentence without interjecting "transponder"..."Indian Ocean"... "Decompression" ... "Malaysia"... Somewhere in the middle...

many conversations were cut short...

My nephews covered my toddler grand nieces' ears in horror...

Sadly... I was told I will not be invited back again unless I rehabilitate myself from Websleuths...

I will miss my family... :sigh:

Priceless post .... similiar thing happened at the pool today with me.........

 

[Plumeria5]

I so hear ya! Today (yesterday now?) was my birthday. And throughout the day's activities with my husband and kids, I kept glancing at my iPhone for updates. Whenever my husband and I had time alone, I immediately turned the conversation to flight 370. DH is now interested, especially after this 7 1/2 hr ping - so I have a real life person to discuss it with now. :loveyou:

:bdsurprise:

 

[Snoods]

Well... I got back from a birthday dinner for my BIL...

After spending ungawdly number of hours this past week glued to this thread... Tonight I realized just how conversationally stunted I have become...

I couldn't finish a sentence without interjecting "transponder"..."Indian Ocean"... "Decompression" ... "Malaysia"... Somewhere in the middle...

many conversations were cut short...

My nephews covered my toddler grand nieces' ears in horror...

Sadly... I was told I will not be invited back again unless I rehabilitate myself from Websleuths...

I will miss my family... :sigh:

:floorlaugh: We knew you'd be back Cluesy! You'll never leave us....never leave....never leave....

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Depressurizing the cabin would put the passengers to sleep.

OMG "All right, good night".

Reading your post made me emotional. It fits.

What if the twenty were going to Beijing to help fix China up the same way they had just fixed Malaysia up in Kuala Lumpur.
What exactly did that team do?

I saw a case depicted on TV about a specialist (computer or ??? engineer of some kind), an American who was murdered because of some secret info he uncovered or figured out. I believe this was in China (maybe not but Asia for sure) and his business people and police said he committed suicide. He had been stressed out over his job (that he loved at one time) and was returning home for good in nine days iirc. His parents and two brothers didn't believe that he committed suicide and when they went to his apartment to clear it out, his mom found a hard drive that was left on a window sill iirc. It was a fluke that she placed the hard drive in her suitcase unaware it contained evidence. There's a lot more to the story, but,
my point is, having certain information can be dangerous when competition is steep and potential gold mines are at risk.

This theory, if played out, wouldn't involve the pilots as the responsible parties. It would have to have been a third party who took over the plane. On the other hand, maybe not, because it was what the pilot said (we don't know for certain it was the pilot though) that made me remember this true story/case. Why would one of the pilots be willing to kill himself though over something like this?

 

[SuziQ]

Thanks for understanding, Snoods. It's just that, where I am coming from on this is that this was very well-planned - I mean, perhaps spanning years of planning. So they could have easily found terrorists with pilot/aviation backgrounds, and then trained them and trained them on top of that experience. What I'm thinking is that, obviously, if they have planned it this well, they are not going to put two or whatever number of people on the flight to carry out the mission who cannot, in other words do not have the skills, to carry out the mission.

YKWIM?

The pilot had the skills. How much planning would an experienced pilot need? He could have literally decided to do what he did, a minute before he did so. IMO, a complicated terror plot is less likely.

 

[Mama_Owl]

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/88885
Another boat?

 

[lawstudent]

The pilot had the skills. How much planning would an experienced pilot need? He could have literally decided to do what he did, a minute before he did so. IMO, a complicated terror plot is less likely.

The pilot could fairly easily pull off the hijacking, but if the theory is he didn't intend to crash it into the ocean, it would take a lot of coordination to hide the plane somewhere.

 

[Isabelle]

I wonder if there were any schedules switched among crew for this flight?

 

[CARIIS]

If the Uighur man undertook flight simulator training I'm betting that there will a big focus on him in investigations.

Perhaps that would explain why the second portion of the ACARS wasn't turned off. As I said earlier, the pilot - being an aviation geek - would probably know about it. A professor possibly would have studied how to fly without being detected by radar but would have missed those details.

That doesn't explain why the transponder and cockpit part of the ACARS was turned off before he said goodbye to Malaysia shortly before flying into Vietnam's airspace. Unless it wasn't the pilot saying goodnight.

Anyone knowledgable - the comms were switched off shortly after they reached cruising altitude. One article said it's common for the pilot to have a bathroom or coffee break at this time. My question is - if someone else turned comms off in the cockpit while he wasn't in there, would it be obvious when he got back? Would he notice immediately?

The transponder can be turned off in the cockpit -- the other someone had to go back in the cabin, lift up carpet, use a tool . pull the hatch open, go down steps , in the electronics bay below the floor -- the 12 minutes of silence ?????

And the plane behind described "mumbling" now I wonder if he was trying to disguise his voice - if it was not the actual pilot but an intruder .

Turning off the plane's signaling system may have also required someone to access into the plane's electronics bay on the lower deck.


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Picture of the bay in the 200ER

https://www.google.com/search?q=the...2FBoeing-777-212-ER%2F0294125%2FL%2F;1024;694

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The pilot could fairly easily pull off the hijacking, but if the theory is he didn't intend to crash it into the ocean, it would take a lot of coordination to hide the plane somewhere.

Yes. "Hello, Iran? I have a great big plane for sale which would be perfect for flying into public places to cause terror, but I need a little help getting it there."

 

[K_Z]

Well... I got back from a birthday dinner for my BIL...

After spending ungawdly number of hours this past week glued to this thread... Tonight I realized just how conversationally stunted I have become...

I couldn't finish a sentence without interjecting "transponder"..."Indian Ocean"... "Decompression" ... "Malaysia"... Somewhere in the middle...

many conversations were cut short...

My nephews covered my toddler grand nieces' ears in horror...

Sadly... I was told I will not be invited back again unless I rehabilitate myself from Websleuths...

I will miss my family... :sigh:

Lol!! There's a 12 step program for that!

Let's begin:

1. We admitted we were powerless over Websleuths - that our lives had become unmanageable.....

 

[Snoods]

I should probably try this, but the fact that some people do weird things while on it makes me worried. Since I have such an ability to stay up on sedatives and alcohol, I'm afraid that I'd be up and getting into my car or something...and I've heard it does cause hangovers, but I'm sure that varies for each person. I like ativan because it literally has no effects on me unless I'm actively trying to sleep - it doesn't make me tired when it would be inappropriate to be tired or make me lose coordination or anything like that - I can drive and take a final on it and be fine.

BBM Is it like Ambien? I've done weird things on that and not remembered the next morning, I won't take it anymore!

For example:
I went online and sent out mass emails to everyone I'd ever known at 4 am exclaiming "EVERYONE SPAY and NEUTER YOUR PETS!" like the female Bob Barker.

I fried up a batch of unknown substances (I think cheese was involved) in a vat of oil on the stove, it was all over the floor, everywhere!

Ambien badddd!!!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/88885
Another boat?

Maybe, but I would tag it.

 

[newone]

It is a very much read-between-the-lines. It is weird that the Malaysian press does not touch on this, or have they?

Very very hardline approach on dissenters in Malaysia. Current government has over 90% of the seats so they wield a great deal of control

and they take a dim view of ''liberal'' speaking out about reform Gore got chastised while he was there.

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/11/18/world/gore-scolded-in-malaysia-for-defense-of-dissenters.html

 

[lawstudent]

Yes. "Hello, Iran? I have a great big plane for sale which would be perfect for flying into public places to cause terror, but I need a little help getting it there."

How did he contact Iran though?

And Iran is watched very closely by the U.S. and its neighbors - the plane would be on someone's radar. And we watch them via satellite to see if they're building weapons - I'm not sure how many places in Iran you could hide a plane - it seems pretty devoid of vegetation.

 

[K_Z]

Yes. "Hello, Iran? I have a great big plane for sale which would be perfect for flying into public places to cause terror, but I need a little help getting it there."

Ebay?

Craig's List?

Carsoup?

"777-200 series, perfect for installing and hosting your shiny new nuclear device..."

 

[SuziQ]

The pilot could fairly easily pull off the hijacking, but if the theory is he didn't intend to crash it into the ocean, it would take a lot of coordination to hide the plane somewhere.

That's the thing though, we don't know what happened to the plane. Until we know that, IMO, the pilot will remain the most likely candidate behind this mystery.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

How did he contact Iran though?

And Iran is watched very closely by the U.S. and its neighbors - the plane would be on someone's radar. And we watch them via satellite to see if they're building weapons - I'm not sure how many places in Iran you could hide a plane - it seems pretty devoid of vegetation.

They have friends in other countries.