Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #7

[TTF14]

He is the master pilot. Pulled off the the big one before he kills himself. Hijacked a major airline jet. A 777 full of people and after evading detection for 7+ hrs takes it out into the deepest part of the Indian ocean where he hopes it will never be found and crashes it. Maybe, just a thought.

This is what an expert said on GMA this morning, and he also said he doesn't have much hope at all that the plane will ever bee found. There are parts of the Indian Ocean that are 15,000 feet deep, and if the pilot was suicidal and wanted to disappear with the whole plane, he could do it. It just does not seem to fit what we know of this man, and I can't fathom why someone would want to create such a mystery over his own suicide, and take that many people with him. What would be the motivation to never ever being found??

 

[ilovepierre]

But, using the hijacking theory, how do we explain that NONE of the passengers attempted to contact loved ones/police etc via cell phone? I cannot wrap my head around that.

It's been confirmed that this plane was not equipped with the service to allow phone usage. Plus, once over the ocean, cell reception is non-existent due to there being no cell towers.

 

[Elley Mae]

The new leads about the plane’s endpoint, although ambiguous, have drastically changed the search operation.On Sunday, India put its search for the plane on hold at the request of the government in Kuala Lumpur. India had been searching around the Andaman and Nicobar Islands and in the Bay of Bengal. Defense officials said both the searches have been suspended but may resume.

“There is a very high level coordination meeting take place taking place in Malaysia, so it is too premature to say that everything has been stopped. There is a temporary pause in operation waiting the joint coordination meeting in Malaysia. Beyond this I have no inputs,” said Capt. D.K. Sharma, Navy spokesman.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...b0d4ae-acea-11e3-a49e-76adc9210f19_story.html

 

[Snoopster]

Debris?
If you click all the surrounding tiles, you find even more!
The date of the sat. images is March 9, though and I thought all those images from then had been analyzed already?

ETA: Maybe they're fish :fish:

I am just starting to check out tomnod. I found some instructions here:

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxzZWFyY2hmb3JkYWxlc3BsYW5lfGd4OjIwOTU5Y2ZlNTBjYjliMDM

...but it's still not clear to me where I'm looking. How do you get context for location? Am I looking in the Andaman sea? The Indian Ocean?
TIA

 

[Nana]

Theoretically and technically possible, but no evidence yet this occurred. Seems odd a cyber-terrorist would turn off ACARS/transponder before disabling pilot radio, but hey, maybe there would be a reason for it.



Hijackers could have taken phones and disabled any air phone system. Plane had no wi-fi and current radar data shows it flying too high and too fast for any cell phone to work. Further, if plane was over ocean or remote territories, no cell phone towers.

Ok so we have 25 countries looking for this plane and nothing.
So if the plane didn't crash who ever has it is just waiting and watching these countries run from one place to another to find nothing.

 

[Elley Mae]

I am not on the suicide theory.

 

[ilovepierre]

I am just starting to check out tomnod. I found some instructions here:

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxzZWFyY2hmb3JkYWxlc3BsYW5lfGd4OjIwOTU5Y2ZlNTBjYjliMDM

...but it's still not clear to me where I'm looking. How do you get context for location? Am I looking in the Andaman sea? The Indian Ocean?
TIA

I don't know either.
I've just been using the date in the corner of the map. Where ever searches were happening on that day, is where I assume the maps are from. The Andaman Sea area wasn't searched on the 9th, so I would guess that that would have been South China Sea.

Until new maps are released, I've stopped searching.

 

[gia2]

This is what an expert said on GMA this morning, and he also said he doesn't have much hope at all that the plane will ever bee found. There are parts of the Indian Ocean that are 15,000 feet deep, and if the pilot was suicidal and wanted to disappear with the whole plane, he could do it. It just does not seem to fit what we know of this man, and I can't fathom why someone would want to create such a mystery over his own suicide, and take that many people with him. What would be the motivation to never ever being found??

I agree with you, it doesn't make sense considering what we've heard about him.

I've been thinking perhaps it was to always be notorious. He would be remembered as the pilot that made a 777 disappear without a trace, never to be found. He did what none have done before.

I'm not sure I believe that happened though. There would have to be much more to the story and we don't have those pieces to the puzzle :/

 

[ToutCa]

Wall St Journal states officials have some info not publicly known, derived from ACARS pings: aircraft's rough speed, altitude and heading for hours between 2:40 and 8:11am:

Because the angle and distance of the aircraft relative to the orbiting satellite changed as the jet flew over the Earth's surface, each ping — the digital equivalent of a handshake — to Flight 370 gave Malaysian officials, the National Transportation Safety Board, the Federal Aviation Administration and the U.K.'s Air Accidents Investigation Branch enough information to plot the 777's speed, altitude and changing path...[But] investigators were unable to determine if the jet's pings were north or south of its last known primary radar sighting.

Man, I wish they would release this info! It would give us soooo much interesting and useful grounds to speculate on what the plane was doing and why in the lost hours between 2:40 and 8:11am!!!

 

[ilovepierre]

Ok so we have 25 countries looking for this plane and nothing.
So if the plane didn't crash who ever has it is just waiting and watching these countries run from one place to another to find nothing.

I'm starting to think this plane was landed somewhere. In a remote area with little to no surveillance. How many bodies of water have been searched with no evidence of a crash? Quite a few. Plus 25 countries are searching now and none of them have been able to find anything.

The question is, where would a 777 land and be completely hidden away? Are there ANY land searches going on? Maybe that's where the issue is. All these countries are looking in water when maybe they should be searching land as well. This plane could very well be on land.

 

[lawstudent]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-03-16-07-12-38
Below is referring to egyptair 990 that crashes in 1999
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They concluded that when co-pilot Gameel El-Batouty found himself alone on the flight deck, he switched off the auto-pilot, pointed the plane downward, and calmly repeated the phrase "I rely on God" over and over, 11 times in total.

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Yet while the National Transportation Safety Board concluded that the co-pilot's actions caused the crash, they didn't use the word "suicide" in the main findings of their 160-page report, instead saying the reason for his actions "was not determined."

I believe what actually happened was NTSB helped Egypt with its investigation, and they decided suicide, but Egypt was uncomfortable saying that and released a report saying unknown causes. The U.S. investigators were shocked and angry and the NTSB published a response that went back and forth. So they probably didn't want to inflame Egypt, especially because it seemed so baffling. They just wrote down the pilot deliberately crashed it - and let that speak for itself.

 

[epiphany]

this one is new to me ...

Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah was a fervent supporter of his country's opposition leader who was jailed for homosexuality - illegal in Malaysia - only hours before flight MH370 vanished with 239 passengers and crew on board.

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/ente...ck-missing-plane-himself-in-political-protest

Adding:

Ibrahim was sentenced March 7 to five years in prison on a sodomy charge — a development that many Malaysians regard as political payback. His sentencing was a day before the flight took off from Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia.

Before the doomed flight, Shah had even reportedly told friends he was planning on attending the People’s Justice Party leader’s high-profile trial.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...ct-wrongdoing-article-1.1723044#ixzz2w8YcxvEe

 

[lawstudent]

I'm starting to think this plane was landed somewhere. In a remote area with little to no surveillance. How many bodies of water have been searched with no evidence of a crash? Quite a few. Plus 25 countries are searching now and none of them have been able to find anything.

The question is, where would a 777 land and be completely hidden away? Are there ANY land searches going on? Maybe that's where the issue is. All these countries are looking in water when maybe they should be searching land as well. This plane could very well be on land.

If it's on land, I don't think they can just go search for it. It's hidden somewhere and probably somewhere hostile. We'd have to do aerial searches and rely on intelligence.

 

[TTF14]

I agree with you, it doesn't make sense considering what we've heard about him.

I've been thinking perhaps it was to always be notorious. He would be remembered as the pilot that made a 777 disappear without a trace, never to be found. He did what none have done before.

I'm not sure I believe that happened though. There would have to be much more to the story and we don't have those pieces to the puzzle :/

BBM--it's the only thing that makes any sense if he didn't notify anyone or involve anyone as to any kind of political reason. But, from what has been said about him, he doesn't "seem" like a narcissist, so it just seems to not fit. Of course, we don't know this man, and only know what has been reported in the media.

The same expert I mentioned early was just on another program (with George Stephanopoulos), and he seems knowledgeable and credible. He sincerely believes that based on the information they have of where they strongly feel the plane last was, and the amount of fuel available, the plane would have had no way to make it the 1,000 miles needed to a piece of land to actually land. For this reason, he feels it has to be at the bottom of the Indian Ocean.

The fact that the sharp turn was pre-programmed even before any of the signals were turned off is very telling. I don't want to believe it was the pilot, but I think it was . Just can't understand why. I hope an interview with his wife happens soon.

 

[popsicle]

I am not on the suicide theory.

Just to be clear, I do not think it is suicide either.

 

[ilovepierre]

If it's on land, I don't think they can just go search for it. It's hidden somewhere and probably somewhere hostile. We'd have to do aerial searches and rely on intelligence.

That's what I meant by land searches. Is any of that happening?

 

[ToutCa]

Plus 25 countries are searching now and none of them have been able to find anything...This plane could very well be on land.

But all along they were looking in the wrong place. The plane couldn't be in the South China Sea or the Bay of Bengal -- it was all a waste of time. They only started looking in the proper locations literally today.

And today's search areas are so mind-numbingly vast (encompassing several entire countries and thousands of miles of deep and open ocean!) to make a thorough search all but impossible.

The fact the plane hasn't been found proves nothing. It could just as easily be underwater or on land, intact or not. It's a really excruciating mystery.

It's really terrible for the families of all onboard. So unfair.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I don't know what to think.
I've resigned myself to the fact that we may never know.
I'm not comfortable speculating and assigning blame to anyone specific at this point.
Even if the plane is found, if I understand correctly the black box will not have the info from 7 hrs earlier to ascertain what happened in that cockpit.


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[popsicle]

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