Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #8

[popsicle]

Jon Ostrower ‏@jonostrower 1m
Dateline: OVER THE BAY OF BENGAL http://on.wsj.com/1mbiOsT (via @Trefor1 & @newley) #MH370

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[PoirotryInMotion]

Who tweeted that? Are they legit?

ETA where would this plane have been refueled?

Yes, it's legit. Several media reports now, including 2 or 3 from Israel and Drudge report, etc. (See previous page.)

The plane would be refueled at the location where it presumably landed (in this scenario). One poster in the last thread referred to the Coco Islands near India as a possibility (probably already scoped out by now) where China was "renting" the entire island, building an airport runway and facilities that made India nervous.

Other possibilities are several unused airports in China, and any one of the 634 (643?) in-range airports mapped out by wny.cc earlier that authorities are also checking out. (I posted the map but I think the mods thought it wasn't credited and removed it. You can google it.)

 

[ElleElle]

We have several "over the horizon" radar systems that would have detected it. Australia's northern approach is our biggest strategic liability and its watched very very closely at all times.

For those of you with Google Earth, jump on there and have a little look around the area of "Exmouth WA, 6707 Australia"

Australia's northern route is like Canada's western route for anyone who wants in illegally.

 

[ilovepierre]

So I know, off topic.... people on the flights for 9/11 were able to use their cell phones to make calls alerting their family and the airlines of the hijacking... or was that because the pilots were flying low... I don't remember ever reading anything about the planes altitude after they were hijacked. Not saying the cell phones were usable on the flight because they were out in the middle of the ocean.

I don't know.. I'm rambling, too much caffeine. :coffeeup:

The planes on 9/11 were over the city and flying low enough for cell phones to pick up a signal.

On MH370, once over the ocean, signals would have been lost due to there being no cell towers.

 

[LadyL]

this was their day before flight http://abcnews.go.com/US/day-malaysia-airline-passengers-stolen-passports/story?id=22852454

A man claiming to be the friend of two Iranians who used fake passports to board the missing Malaysia Airlines flight told ABC News that the men stayed at his home the night before the flight vanished.

Mohammad Mallaeibasir, 18, told ABC News that he is a student living in Malaysia who went to high school with one of the men who is believed to have used a fake passport to board the missing flight. He said the other man was a friend of the friend's, and the pair stayed at Mallaeibasir's the night before the flight took off.

Mallaeibasir identified the men as Pouria Nour Mohammadi, 19, and Reza Devalar, 29, are both from Iran. He said he went to high school with Pouria, but had not seen him for a couple of years.

They stayed with Mallaeibeasir and his roommate Friday night, and then Mallaeibasir drove them to the airport, where they used stolen Italian and Austrian passports to board Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 on Saturday morning, he said.

I just find that whole situation weird. "Oh hi, I haven't seen you in a couple years ... you're moving to Germany? sounds good, would you and your friend who you just met yesterday and who is a stranger to me and who is a decade older than us care to stay at my place tonight and I'll drive you both to the airport tomorrow? and hey, just for kicks, let's print out your tickets at my house and check your flight data throughout the evening. Oh, you're both travelling on stolen passports? ok, whatevs ..."

They are in it up to their eyeballs IMO.

 

[Love Never Fails]

BBM~ The million $ question are the 229 souls onboard dead or alive?

....... The Malaysian gov't did say there was no ransom demands, sadly, they don't need ransom when they have a plane full of people.

Elle Elle,
I don't believe any of the passengers will survive this. If they are alive, anyone doing something like this surely won't have the decency to send them all home.

Another thing really bothering me is why does the media jump to the idea that the pilots are guilty? Suppose they are victims also? They should have stated from the beginning that, in any case, this is an act of terrorism. Every time there is any type of plane incident, the pilots are to blame immediately and more often than not, it is mechanical failure or terrorism. Sure, they could have been a part of this but I don't believe it. So the head pilot had strong political views? Boy, that covers a lot of people nowadays. Doesn't make them a murderer.

 

[ElleElle]

Ex-El Al expert: Iran likely involved in MH 370
Based on profiling, pilots are unlikely suspects, says Israeli airline’s former security chief; he and other experts believe plane intact

“From the United States to China to Japan, everybody is searching for this aircraft or piece of it. And there is no sign. So in my opinion, the aircraft was hijacked. And it was an excellent plan from the terrorists, to land in a place where they can hide the plane and no one can find it.”

http://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-el-al-expert-iran-likely-involved-in-mh-370/

:cheers: So there we have it folks. What I believe - this plane is literally stolen and intact.

 

[Brightbird]

I have posted that Iranians can go into Malaysia without a visa. They could of hung around for a week while getting their travel arrangements sorted out. :twocents:

Wasn't long ago that I read where the Muslim Brotherhood can come into our country without being checked or detained. Is anyone doing their job?

That's jumping from Iranian as an entire nationality to belonging to an extremist Islamic movement. Bit of a stretch, IMO.

Nope, wasn't even comparing the two. Iranians, as well as others, can go into some countries unchecked. That's fine as there are good people everywhere.

What I brought up is that the USA is allowing the Muslim Brotherhood, regardless of the county they come from, to come into the USA. Unchecked.
I would like to see us be a lot more vigilant as Israel is.

The first post mentions Iranians only. Like you say, it's not uncommon for countries to allow passport holders from certain other countries entry without a visa. I was confused at how the Muslim Brotherhood followed from the first post. I interpreted your post as comparing the two. Apologies for any misunderstanding.

 

[Tssiemer]

Elle Elle,
I don't believe any of the passengers will survive this. If they are alive, anyone doing something like this surely won't have the decency to send them all home.

SBM

It would be too hard to hold 239 people hostage for them to stay alive to be sent home. They'd have to be fed and given water and such. Maybe they holding on a few people hostage but not all 239. MOO, as sad as it is.

 

[popsicle]

Jon Ostrower ‏@jonostrower 4m
A modified Boeing 737 designed for hunting subs & carrying missiles is getting its first big assignment: Find #MH370 http://on.wsj.com/1mbiOsT

Jon Ostrower ‏@jonostrower 2m
There's an unsettling poetic sadness to a 737 searching for a 777. They were built just miles from each other. http://on.wsj.com/1mbiOsT #MH370

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[ElleElle]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterile_Cockpit_Rule#Flight_attendant_and_pilot_communication

I don't know if this will answer your question. It was a bit confusing to me. But it was all I could find.

It seems all I can find is they go in to bring food and beverages, which, from my experience is usually once the aircraft is level.

 

[popsicle]

Elle Elle,
I don't believe any of the passengers will survive this. If they are alive, anyone doing something like this surely won't have the decency to send them all home.

Another thing really bothering me is why does the media jump to the idea that the pilots are guilty? Suppose they are victims also? They should have stated from the beginning that, in any case, this is an act of terrorism. Every time there is any type of plane incident, the pilots are to blame immediately and more often than not, it is mechanical failure or terrorism. Sure, they could have been a part of this but I don't believe it. So the head pilot had strong political views? Boy, that covers a lot of people nowadays. Doesn't make them a murderer.

They haven't jumped to them being guilty, however....

Retweeted by Sri Jegarajah
Mohd Najib Tun Razak ‏@NajibRazak Mar 14
In view of this latest development the Malaysian authorities have refocused their investigation into the crew and passengers on board.-Admin

https://twitter.com/cnbcSri

When you have this coming out what do you expect the media to report?

FYI...

Mohd Najib Tun Razak Verified account
@NajibRazak
Prime Minister of Malaysia, working towards a #BetterNation
Malaysia · 1malaysia.com.my

 

[Hatfield]

JMO
This may have been brought up before but wanted to mention that I believe the personal simulator was being used to train other like minded terrorists, not just himself.

When I saw the news about that person having a simulator I immediately thought of how they are used. "To Train"

So, IMO, I think he was training others. If so, I wonder how many other people this guy could have trained for nefarious reasons. I also immediately wondered about the supposedly 5 people that got off the plane even though Malaysia said that it turned out not to be true. I tend not to believe a lot of what is coming directly from Malaysia officials at this point.

I will not be surprised to find out the 2 people with the stolen passports were taking personal training by the pilot. Once they were airborn, the 2 other people could have approached the cabin area and joined forces with the pilot even if the copilot was not part of this. Those 3 could easily take over this plane if the copilot was not part of it. Of course, the copilot could be part of it too.

I wonder too how many other people may have got training by that pilot and if other planes are going to be targeted.

To me, I think this is much bigger than what it seems right now.

ETA...Corrected reference to pilot

 

[Love Never Fails]

The first post mentions Iranians only. Like you say, it's not uncommon for countries to allow passport holders from certain other countries entry without a visa. I was confused at how the Muslim Brotherhood followed from the first post. I interpreted your post as comparing the two. Apologies for any misunderstanding.

No apology needed. I'm a little tired tonight and guess I am also old enough to remember the good old days of freedom and the USA being a great country and no acts of terrorism, and slavery being outlawed, and folks loving one another, and standing up for Israel and our allies, and not seeing our politicians buying the friendship of known enemies, etc. I am rambling but I am also so sad for all these families. This happens too often. Sick of it!
Thank you for taking the time to explain.

 

[ElleElle]

This is a terrible, terrible lax policy Malaysia has. No wonder the pre-911 terrorist meetings were held in Kuala Lumpur. They know they can all get in with no traces and no paperwork. You would think after those meetings became known, Malaysia would have changed their policy. :facepalm:

****Adding - it's as easy as obtaining stolen passports. And just walk in and walk out with no trace that you (the actual you) were even in the country. Just scary!

BBM~ Malaysia never needed to change their policies as they have Al-Quaida meetings there, and no need to be afraid since they safe. KL is a hub for terrorists IMO.

 

[revampz]

We have several "over the horizon" radar systems that would have detected it. Australia's northern approach is our biggest strategic liability and its watched very very closely at all times.

For those of you with Google Earth, jump on there and have a little look around the area of "Exmouth WA, 6707 Australia"

Haha....yes I am in Townsville, so you get to know all about the "northern approach"

re a couple of tweets a couple of pages back.......ie Malaysia is saying this is an act of terrorism

Israel preparing for plane to be used against them...

etc

do you have a feeling that something else is known for them now to be actually using the word terrorism.....and where the hell did Israel come from all of a sudden???

Got to say that I don't think the pilots are involved in terrorism...especially to do with Israel....no way, IF it was the pilot (captain) my thought is it re his political views in Malaysia.....suppose tho that could be considered terrorism

 

[ElleElle]

What if the passenagers are the weapon of mass destruction?

Biological warfare?

The passengers and it's target?! :scared:

 

[Love Never Fails]

They haven't jumped to them being guilty, however....

Retweeted by Sri Jegarajah
Mohd Najib Tun Razak ‏@NajibRazak Mar 14
In view of this latest development the Malaysian authorities have refocused their investigation into the crew and passengers on board.-Admin

https://twitter.com/cnbcSri

When you have this coming out what do you expect the media to report?

FYI...

Mohd Najib Tun Razak Verified account
@NajibRazak
Prime Minister of Malaysia, working towards a #BetterNation
Malaysia · 1malaysia.com.my

MOO...the media "reads" to us whatever the powers that be tell them to.
Real journalism goes out and gets the truth. We will see. Or maybe we won't. We are lied to all the time.

 

[Tssiemer]

JMO
This may have been brought up before but wanted to mention that I believe the personal simulator was being used to train other like minded terrorists, not just himself.

When I saw the news about that person having a simulator I immediately thought of how they are used. "To Train"

So, IMO, I think he was training others. If so, I wonder how many other people this guy could have trained for nefarious reasons. I also immediately wondered about the supposedly 5 people that got off the plane even though Malaysia said that it turned out not to be true. I tend not to believe a lot of what is coming directly from Malaysia officials at this point.

I will not be surprised to find out the 2 people with the stolen passports were taking personal training by the copilot. Once they were airborn, the 2 other people could have approached the cabin area and joined forces with the copilot if the pilot was not part of this. Those 3 could easily take over this plane if the pilot was not part of it. Of course, the pilot could be part of it too.

I wonder too how many other people may have got training by that copilot and if other planes are going to be targeted.

To me, I think this is much bigger than what it seems right now.

Which pilot? I thought the captain was the political fanatic and co pilot was just a play boy type.

 

[Fluffy Puppy]

27 minutes ago

REPORTS OF LUGGAGE FOUND

Unconfirmed media reports are claiming that suitcases have been found floating in the Straits of Malacca, between Malaysia and Indonesia.

The crew of a Greek oil tanker, the Elka Athina, are reportedly heading towards a zone identified as a field of debris, including what appeared to be aircraft passenger's luggage.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...no-sign-of-plane/story-fnizu68q-1226856429922

Earlier today while working on Tomnod, I had some maps in that location and was tagging like crazy; there were the weirdest-shaped, small bright white objects across a pretty broad area (10-20) and they appeared in waves. If it were luggage, it would make perfect sense. On the tiles, it almost looked like that confetti that comes in different shapes, and it definitely stood out. I didn't see anything else like in in any other maps I searched.