Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #8

[Tulessa]

Ugh

I just discovered the Edit Options option!! Lord how much better. Less scrolling all over the place WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Hey while discovering anyone know if there is a spell check!!!!!!! That would be awesome with the typing

I use Google Chrome. It will underline the word that is misspelled in red. Right click on the word to get the correct spelling.

 

[MLO]

Can a 777 travel that fast to cause disintegration to that extent? The plane mentioned in that Wiki article was considerably smaller than a 777.

I don't know. I'm not very good at physics! From what I've found a 777 an go around 945km/hour. I'm not sure if that is how is likely to be flown, or the absolute maximum it could fly if someone were driving in vertically into the ground. The BAe 146-200 was travelling at 1239km/hour when it crashed. Now, as I said I'm not good at physics, but I assume altitude and weight of the plane would have some thing to do with how it impacted the ground.

ETA- I found the cruise speed for both planes. The 777 has a cruise speed of 905km/h and the BAe 146-200 has a cruise speed of 801km/h. I'm going to guess the answer is yes, but I'm sure someone better at physics will know better.

 

[ElleElle]

if they only stayed one night at the old high school friend's ap't - I wonder where they were for the other 3-5 days/nights in Malaysia

*please delete if not allowed*

 

[Marg from Oz]

This was reported a couple of days ago.....however they never mentioned that one was a pilot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! well that could be our answer.

Wow four or five terrorists going to take over a plane!!

So who and where are the five that supposedly never got on the plane?
Could they have been aided by air port staff to by pass the checking in counter? That was one of the stories that went around in circles. Officials stated that their luggage had been removed from the plane and then later said that there weren't any five people missing the flight.

 

[aa9511]

So I know, off topic.... people on the flights for 9/11 were able to use their cell phones to make calls alerting their family and the airlines of the hijacking... or was that because the pilots were flying low... I don't remember ever reading anything about the planes altitude after they were hijacked. Not saying the cell phones were usable on the flight because they were out in the middle of the ocean.

I don't know.. I'm rambling, too much caffeine. :coffeeup:

I was trying to imagine how (possibly) 2 hijackers could command 239 passengers to turn over their cell phones all at the same time.

For example, let's say one hijacker started at front of plane (collecting phones), and one starting at the back of the plane....well wouldn't that give the middle passengers time to send a message? Or I suppose the message would not even go through at that altitude?

Unfortunately, I think the hijackers probably foresaw these problems and thus incapacitated all the passengers early on.

 

[Hatfield]

I think terrorism is possible, but I'm still not on the Muslims did it bandwagon. I'm not the type to blame Muslims, illegals and single mothers for all the problems of the world though.

I was watching a show last night about Flight 1771- A disgruntled ex-employee shot the pilots and drove the plane into the ground. The plane travelled faster than the speed of sound and disintegrated so that all that was left was paper, a bit of the gun and a small bit of a seat. No bodies or luggage or seats. I wonder if something like that is possible- the plane went down in a secluded area and there is no real wreckage to be found.

Pacific Southwest Airlines Flight 1771 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I saw that a few months ago. That employee was really pizzed.

The totality of the evidence coming in is what is making me lean towards the pilot and the 2 stolen passport people. It may still turn out to be something else, but the evidence is beginning to pile up IMO.

We have the pilot owning a simulator. Well, that right there is huge IMO. I would bet if you ask every pilot in the world if they own one, I am willing to bet some hard cash that not too many have one of the caliber of the one this guy had. Most probably have those XBOX style ones, but the news made it sound that this guy had a real one. I would love to know where he bought it and how he got his hands on it.

 

[ElleElle]

It would be a full time job as you would have to kee changing the answers.

JMOO

:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

 

[aa9511]

Elle Elle,
I don't believe any of the passengers will survive this. If they are alive, anyone doing something like this surely won't have the decency to send them all home.

Another thing really bothering me is why does the media jump to the idea that the pilots are guilty? Suppose they are victims also? They should have stated from the beginning that, in any case, this is an act of terrorism. Every time there is any type of plane incident, the pilots are to blame immediately and more often than not, it is mechanical failure or terrorism. Sure, they could have been a part of this but I don't believe it. So the head pilot had strong political views? Boy, that covers a lot of people nowadays. Doesn't make them a murderer.

bbm

Thank you and you stated it perfectly and I TOTALLY AGREE.

 

[Chilly Willy]

I was trying to imagine how (possibly) 2 hijackers could command 239 passengers to turn over their cell phones all at the same time.

For example, let's say one hijacker started at front of plane (collecting phones), and one starting at the back of the plane....well wouldn't that give the middle passengers time to send a message? Or I suppose the message would not even go through at that altitude?

Unfortunately, I think the hijackers probably foresaw these problems and thus incapacitated all the passengers early on.

Easy. "I have a gun, everyone put your hands in the air and keep them there while we collect your cell phones."

 

[Derryn Hunch]

I don't know. I'm not very good at physics! From what I've found a 777 an go around 945km/hour. I'm not sure if that is how is likely to be flown, or the absolute maximum it could fly if someone were driving in vertically into the ground. The BAe 146-200 was travelling at 1239km/hour when it crashed. Now, as I said I'm not good at physics, but I assume altitude and weight of the plane would have some thing to do with how it impacted the ground.

A 777 would normally cruise at about 90knts below the speed of sound or Mach .84

This is equiv. to:

285.8 Meters Per Second
or
639.5 MPH for all you Americans
or
1029.2 Km/h

Mach .84

To put that into perspective, the speed of sound at sea level (so, generally speaking, not accounting for air density, temperate and at altitude etc) is:

340.3 Meters Per Second
or
761.2 mph
or
1,225 Km/h

Mach 1.0

It's not a great difference and you can see how a 777 with engines producing thrust in a steep dive could exceed this.

 

[MLO]

I saw that a few months ago. That employee was really pizzed.

The totality of the evidence coming in is what is making me lean towards the pilot and the 2 stolen passport people. It may still turn out to be something else, but the evidence is beginning to pile up IMO.

We have the pilot owning a simulator. Well, that right there is huge IMO. I would bet if you ask every pilot in the world if they own one, I am willing to bet some hard cash that not too many have one of the caliber of the one this guy had. Most probably have those XBOX style ones, but the news made it sound that this guy had a real one. I would love to know where he bought it and how he got his hands on it.

I don't see why it is huge? One of the pilots in this thread has already said he has a simulator. Derryn, are you are terrorist?

I don't know what you mean by a real one? but his didn't really look much more than a couple of monitors put together. http://www.everyjoe.com/wp-content/gallery/zaharie-ahmad-shah/zaharie-ahmad-shah-photos-3.jpg

 

[ElleElle]

Does anyone know if this plane was the type that ad monitors in the backs of seats? I usually use Seat Guru to check this, but the already removed MH 370 from their active flight list.

I ask because those TVs usually have a flight map channel where you can watch the flight path, speed and altitude of the plane. I wonder if the passages would have noticed that way that something wasn't right? I just keep thinking about 239 people not knowing what was going on.

If the pilots (or persons in cockpit) did all this, and there were no terrorists fighting their way into the cockpit somehow, I wonder if the passengers knew anything was wrong? If the cockpit door was sealed, there would be nothing the could do to stop it right? I guess they could open a door, but while that would kill the passengers buy depresserizing the plane, would it kill the pilots too? Take the whole plane down?

I keep thinking, if the passengers and crew knew something was wrong, but the wrong was behind a locked cockpit door, is there anything you could do?

BBM ~ Honestly, I think the passengers did not have 5 seconds to think as they were disabled quickly at the cockpit. :moo: that is if they are in fact dead. I'm leaning now towards that they are not at this point.

Whoever hijacked MH370 did it at the Vietnam ATC switch off, IMO.

I believe a cabin can be depressurized but will not affect the cockpit and they can use all the oxygen the cabin would of used.

 

[Derryn Hunch]

I don't know. I'm not very good at physics! From what I've found a 777 an go around 945km/hour. I'm not sure if that is how is likely to be flown, or the absolute maximum it could fly if someone were driving in vertically into the ground. The BAe 146-200 was travelling at 1239km/hour when it crashed. Now, as I said I'm not good at physics, but I assume altitude and weight of the plane would have some thing to do with how it impacted the ground.

A 777 would normally cruise at about 90knts below the speed of sound or Mach .84

This is equiv. to:

285.8 Meters Per Second
or
639.5 MPH for all you Americans
or
1029.2 Km/h

Mach .84

To put that into perspective, the speed of sound at sea level (so, generally speaking, not accounting for air density, temperature and at altitude etc) is:

340.3 Meters Per Second
or
761.2 mph
or
1,225 Km/h

Mach 1.0

It's not a great difference and you can see how a 777 with engines producing thrust in a steep dive could exceed this.

 

[aa9511]

BBM~ Malaysia never needed to change their policies as they have Al-Quaida meetings there, and no need to be afraid since they safe. KL is a hub for terrorists IMO.

bbm

Oh yeah, good point.

Maybe they will change it after this, which involves some of their own citizens.

 

[CARIIS]

I saw that a few months ago. That employee was really pizzed.

The totality of the evidence coming in is what is making me lean towards the pilot and the 2 stolen passport people. It may still turn out to be something else, but the evidence is beginning to pile up IMO.

We have the pilot owning a simulator. Well, that right there is huge IMO. I would bet if you ask every pilot in the world if they own one, I am willing to bet some hard cash that not too many have one of the caliber of the one this guy had. Most probably have those XBOX style ones, but the news made it sound that this guy had a real one. I would love to know where he bought it and how he got his hands on it.

I posted last night type his name in You Tube lets say hes super smart and technical and good with his hands if your icebreaker is broken he has a video how to repair it !

 

[Marg from Oz]

*please delete if not allowed*

I am also wondering if they arrived in Malaysia on the same flight?
something else that has me thinking is if they were dissidents I am surprised they were able to get passports to travel out of Iran.JMO

 

[JaimeSommers]

Elle Elle,
I don't believe any of the passengers will survive this. If they are alive, anyone doing something like this surely won't have the decency to send them all home.

Another thing really bothering me is why does the media jump to the idea that the pilots are guilty? Suppose they are victims also? They should have stated from the beginning that, in any case, this is an act of terrorism. Every time there is any type of plane incident, the pilots are to blame immediately and more often than not, it is mechanical failure or terrorism. Sure, they could have been a part of this but I don't believe it. So the head pilot had strong political views? Boy, that covers a lot of people nowadays. Doesn't make them a murderer.

BBM ... Couldn't agree more. This article sums up my frustration with jumping to conclusions about the pilots.

"But, if we are engaging in wild theories—and why not, this is Malaysian politics—then why would unnamed police sources be playing up the pilot’s political beliefs a week after we are no closer to knowing the truth about MH370? Because the Malaysian authorities’ performance during this investigation is a pretty reasonable approximation of what passes for governance in a corrupt, nepotistic regime that long ago lost any purpose besides accumulating wealth and extending its own power. Malaysia has fallen behind its Southeast Asian competitors economically in large part because of its stunted political culture. Acting transportation minister Hishammuddin Hussein’s defensive press conferences and updates, which range from opaque to contradictory, are what you’d expect from government ministers who are seldom expected to answer questions."

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...pported_anwar_ibrahim_was_he_a_terrorist.html

 

[DeDee]

If the pilot trained other people with the simulator he could have been conned by a terrorist to enter into some plot and it all went to a suicide mission instead of a protest and hostage situation. Either that or there was mental illness, if the pilot did anything at all. The copilot could also be culprit, evidenced by living it up before the actual mission to do this.

A trained pilot who instructs via other pilots on the simulator. We have every right to be concerned. Unless the manifest proves no trained pilots have a seat, then we know one of the pilots is involved. The one who trains on the simulator also approves recruits.

Speaking of living it up, most missions are covert and well executed. I recall one of the 9/11 terrorists, was living with his expectant wife, appearing as all was normal. He kissed her goodbye. He loved her. He winced bc he loved his mission more. He knew he would die. But he kissed her goodbye.

I agree. And instead of being "conned", the pilot could have willingly trained other like minded people and may have been a very willing participant.

From the news, it sounded like he was wealthy. I know pilots get paid good, however, I am not sure they get paid well enough to be as affluent as the news made it out to be. He may have gotten additional funds from terrorist groups and he may have enjoyed those benefits and maybe became a key player.

Wealth. Osama Bin Laden was extremely wealthy. Notice how he chose to live as a radical scheming nomad with an arsenal following him. The terrorists are still out there even though OBL may be dead.

I still believe this may be a nuclear related incident w/ Israel, the primary target.

Flight MH370 with 239 passengers (did some disembark the plane?) will be recognizable forever as the most historic plane mystery of my lifetime.


OMO

 

[Hatfield]

Wow four or five terrorists going to take over a plane!!

So who and where are the five that supposedly never got on the plane?
Could they have been aided by air port staff to by pass the checking in counter? That was one of the stories that went around in circles. Officials stated that their luggage had been removed from the plane and then later said that there weren't any five people missing the flight.

Yeah. IMO I think the Malaysia government is covering up for those 5 which is why I am not believing much of anything coming directly from that government. I do think there was 5 people that got off that plane.

That information was very specific when it was first uncovered. Then it was "squashed" by Malaysia government. I think there was 5 that were on that plane and at the last minute they got off and their luggage was removed.

I am thinking they were going to try to board another plane and think there was more than 1 plane that was due to be taken over that day. For some reason, i think they abandoned the original plan.

It was all too suspicious how that information got squashed.

 

[MLO]

A 777 would normally cruise at about 90knts below the speed of sound or Mach .84

This is equiv. to:

285.8 Meters Per Second
or
639.5 MPH for all you Americans
or
1029.2 Km/h

Mach .84

To put that into perspective, the speed of sound at sea level (so, generally speaking, not accounting for air density, temperate and at altitude etc) is:

340.3 Meters Per Second
or
761.2 mph
or
1,225 Km/h

Mach 1.0

It's not a great difference and you can see how a 777 with engines producing thrust in a steep dive could exceed this.

So, it COULD disintegrate? Or at least a fair bit of it? Enough that most of what is left could scatter and wouldn't be identifiable as a wreckage from the air?