Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #9

[CARIIS]

I really think someone here wrote that a couple days ago... several days ago actually. (well they said it) :banghead:

Guilty as charged, I wrote and think that this is far more complicated --

 

[Elley Mae]

While transponders are routinely switched off, pilots are not trained to disable the ACARS, which would require pre-planning, says John Lindsay, ex-head of air safety of British Airways.

http://www.nst.com.my/opinion/colum...-mh370-font-unknown-journey-of-mh370-1.515010

 

[Isabelle]

When each of you saw him being frisked at airport in video? What was your first impression? then captions declare hysterically CCTV of pilot in airport.

Total lie - that screen shot was grabbed off You Tube in a video the family and friends made in his honor.

THis is not airport security ..... its a family member taking a video (years ago!) of daddy pilot pretending to be frisked at his job.....

Aren't we all so over this

Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah - YouTube

Sorry but YouTube breaks my heart. I would hate to think he is as the bottom of the ocean with plane and passengers...on the other hand , I just don't know. So sad.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

The Telegraph ‏@Telegraph 12m

The search area for Flight #MH370 is now up to 30 million square miles, according to estimates. Latest here: http://fw.to/iHjgiaY

:facepalm:

(And we thought this search area map was a joke in thread 6...)



ETA: (good one, alwaysonmymind)

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

From the article linked above:

Zabihullah Mujahid, a spokesman for the Taliban in Afghanistan, who are seeking to oust foreign troops and set up an Islamic state, said the missing plane had nothing to do with them.

"It happened outside Afghanistan and you can see that even countries with very advanced equipment and facilities cannot figure out where it went," he said. "So we also do not have any information as it is an external issue."

A commander with the Pakistani Taliban, a separate entity fighting the Pakistani government, said the fragmented group could only dream about such an operation.

"We wish we had an opportunity to hijack such a plane," he told Reuters by telephone from the lawless North Waziristan region.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10700892/Malaysian-Airlines-MH370-live.html

Still thinking China is behind this...JMO.

 

[Plumeria5]

Jim Roberts ‏@nycjim 1h

Malaysia officials say last words from #MH370 came from co-pilot. What that means is anyone’s guess. http://reut.rs/1gtWK4u

I think that means one of two things.

#1Either the co-pilot was involved or #2 he was being forced to fly the plane a certain way by someone. Now that someone could be a hijacker or terrorist. Or the someone could have been the captain. Just got up so I know this has been discussed and I just haven't gotten that far yet. The fact that no one seemed alarmed by the way he said it leads me to #1 but who knows? This is assuming the transponder was off at the time he said it which I think has also been confirmed.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Does the radar evidence really show guided flight or was the plane wandering? Were the waypoints entered? When? Could they have been entered in the seconds immediately following an emergency with the damaged plane and disabled crew lurching to them on autopilot?

Can't flying to a series of 4-5 waypoints be handled easily by autopilot?

My advice: take everything each self-promoting "expert" says with a grain of salt.

I'd lean toward intentional diversion at present, but it has not been proven. At all. The data is ambiguous at best. The story is far, far murkier than the media headlines claim.

From what I've read, flying by waypoints is a way of flying to specifically avoid radar, an advanced technique not typically learned/used by commercial pilots because they WANT to be seen in radar. It is an advanced aviation (ie. stealth military) technique. This is not the type of flying that autopilot would do. A commercial plane put on autopilot would fly the normal route to a destination, not one with evasive maneuvers.

Here is the map I posted yesterday showing flying by waypoints; it was for some reason deleted. It was posted by Sci-Fi guy on Twitter, and as all the retweets track back to him, I'm assuming this is credited to him, which is why I put his identifying post with the photo:



http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/257102

 

[gitana1]

Interesting. If they don't get permission, it will be even more interesting.

Would it be the Taliban giving permission, or the government of those areas?

ETA: Ah, it would be the Taliban. Ugh. Nevermind this post :blush:

Wouldn't it be the US? I mean, the Taliban don't have sophisticated radar and don't we totally control their airspace? That's how we are always bombing the you know what out if them and sending in drones, etc.

Maybe he is part of an underground railroad group that assists people to get out of Iran.

To me it's clear that there is a lucrative market in stolen passports that also involves people who want to immigrate, a package deal, for a very high sum. Someone adjusts the passports, maps out the trip and buys tickets. They probably try to deal with more than one client at a time.

I can only imagine how costly it was for the men who used the stolen passports.

Malaysia Backtracks on When Airliner’s Communications Were Disabled

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?hp&_r=0

I am about to come undone, is this new news? what is up with all the dang lying? I am beginning to not care about this, and very glad I will never be on a plane in that part of the world. What a bunch........... jmo

Seriously. The corruption is so revolting. They don't remember the truth anymore.

Ugh Phillip Wood's fiancé makes me want to cry. She has clothes packed for him for when she goes and gets him. She makes me want to hop on a boat and look for him myself.


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Heartbreaking.

 

[catatonia]

I really think someone here wrote that a couple days ago... several days ago actually. (well they said it) :banghead:

What about yesterday?

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It was published on "The New Zealand Herald". The date says March 17, however the current time and date right now in New Zealand is
06:15 AM (NZDT); March 18, 2014.

 

[aa9511]

Going by this timeline (from NYtimes link from post I posted upthread):

-sometime b/w 1:07 and 1:37 - ACARS (sp?) turned off
-1:19 - last verbal comm. with person
-1:21 - transponder turned off

This is my latest theory:

-someone put a device in the cockpit pre-flight, which allowed the hijackers to listen in on what was going on in the cockpit.
-when they heard the moment that the plane left Malaysia ATC and said "good night," right after that they set their plan in motion to enter the cockpit.
-entered cockpit - one hijacker turned off transponder.
-another went below and turned off ACARS.

JMO.

 

[popsicle]

Per CNN:
Co-pilot Speaks to ATC at 1:19
Transponder stops at 1:21
ACARS stops 1:07-1:37

 

[CARIIS]

Trying to find link I put up last thread for this. Really good piece. What I learned was that features of ACARS can be disabled from the keypad IN THE COCKPIT.

From the cockpit someone can disable the more detailed transmossions about what the aircraft is doing.

BUT if someone wanted to disable the "handshake", the 1 hour apart beeps they got for 7 hours (the satiitte saying to plane I am here if you want to send me somehing) THAT feature can only be turned off by going into the electroic bay below.

Obviously that did not happen (that feature off) cause that is how on Fri/Sat the world found out it continued on for 7 hours from the hourly beeps .

He also stated that a pilot generally speaking would know about the cockpit programming but it all liklihood it would have taken a focused search to learn how do disengage that particular feature of ACARS in the electronic bay!

If I can find it I will repost it ....................it was helpful peice

 

[ToutCa]

From what I've read, flying by waypoints is a way of flying to specifically avoid radar, an advanced technique not typically learned/used by commercial pilots because they WANT to be seen in radar. It is an advanced aviation (ie. stealth military) technique. This is not the type of flying that autopilot would do. A commercial plane put on autopilot would fly the normal route to a destination, not one with evasive maneuvers.

Yes, I've read those contentions and seen those maps.

They are compelling, but "evasive maneuvers" are really in the eye of the beholder. From the radar blips indicated, might the route just as well be the product of a crippled plane attempting to fly to waypoints in a sloppy manner?

The "misses" may be due to incapacitation and not intent. Maybe the pilot was initially trying to circle back to Kuala Lumpur before finally losing it and entering bogus waypoints as his condition/the plane's condition deteriorated?

Ultimately I'm feeling this WAS an intentional diversion by someone, but my level of certainty is only about 55%. All avenues should remain open.

 

[catatonia]

Trying to find link I put up last thread for this. Really good piece. What I learned was that features of ACARS can be disabled from the keypad IN THE COCKPIT.

From the cockpit someone can disable the more detailed transmossions about what the aircraft is doing.

BUT if someone wanted to disable the "handshake", the 1 hour apart beeps they got for 7 hours (the satiitte saying to plane I am here if you want to send me somehing) THAT feature can only be turned off by going into the electroic bay below.

Obviously that did not happen (that feature off) cause that is how on Fri/Sat the world found out it continued on for 7 hours from the hourly beeps .

He also stated that a pilot generally speaking would know about the cockpit programming but it all liklihood it would have taken a focused search to learn how do disengage that particular feature of ACARS in the electronic bay!

If I can find it I will repost it ....................it was helpful peice

May it have been this article?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...flight-gird-aviation-expert-article-1.1723111

Here’s a key detail: ACARS does not have an on-off switch.

The only way to disable it is by pulling a circuit breaker in the cockpit. There are hundreds of circuit breakers in the cockpit of a 777 that correspond to every electrical device in the plane — from the coffee pot to the sockets on passenger seats. To find that particular circuit breaker one would have to be a 777 pilot or an expert trained in that particular model of aircraft.

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/17/mh370-missing-plane-co-pilot-verbal-communication

It suggested that the aircraft might not have roused the suspicions of those watching military radars if it followed commercial routes. It also cited unnamed sources as saying the plane had flown low over the Malay peninsula.

 

[Nymeria]

Good Afternoon :seeya:

Did not take me as long to catch up today, I think a majority of thread followers here have collapsed from mental exhaustion!
Or, more likely, it's turned into such a cluster *bleep* that there is really not much more we can say (or theorize) about MH370


ETA- Or it could be because I was reading here until after 4 am, so I did not miss much...

 

[Elley Mae]

Missing jet reveals uncomfortable Malaysian truths

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-03-17-13-36-19

 

[popsicle]

Good Afternoon :seeya:

Did not take me as long to catch up today, I think a majority of thread followers here have collapsed from mental exhaustion!
Or, more likely, it's turned into such a cluster *bleep* that there is really not much more we can say (or theorize) about MH370


ETA- Or it could be because I was reading here until after 4 am, so I did not miss much...

I was reading your post and thinking yes that, yes that...oh yes, that one too. :floorlaugh:

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

When does Richard Quest fftobed: ? He's been on CNN commentating about the Malaysian airliner daily since the plane disappeared - either live in studio or via phone. :waitasec:

 

[The Village Idiot]

ETA: luvvv your lil coffee cup guy in post 46. Don't let him shut up; he's much-needed, intermittent comic relief in these never-ending threads about this tragedy.

Thanks @ PoirotryInMotion: for loving the coffee Cup guy ---->