Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #9

[LadyL]

Well said. :floorlaugh:

who knew quoting Wiki would produce so many links? :floorlaugh:

I think I fixed it :blushing:

 

[ElleElle]

Ok, why does this guy on CNN says it's likely it's a catastrophic event, but yet the Malaysian PM says this is "deliberate action"?

 

[Bravo]

Most welcome. I first learned of those when I read the book, Catch Me If You Can (about a guy who impersonated airline pilots among other professions. Totally unsettling in that his skillsets greatly resembled those of my son at the time. ) Book was the inspiration for the TV show White Collar; I liked the movie better than the book (with Leonardo DiCaprio, who also bears a striking resemblance to my son).

Great movie. I read the book as well. Frank really is a fascinating guy.

 

[lawstudent]

The thread is slowing down - I feel like people are getting quite frustrated. I initially was pretty much convinced it was hypoxia and it flew until it ran out of fuel, but obviously if the controls were deliberately messed with, that is quite unlikely.

 

[Hatfield]

Something along the lines of decompression and hypoxia causing the pilots to become disorientated and muddle up the switches, manage to turn the plane and set some nonsensical flight path into the autopilot. They lose consciousness quickly and the plane flies on until it runs out of fuel. I don't know if that's even possible with what we know. But I can't get over the coincidence of it happening during the handover between ATC's.

I would consider that theory much more if the flight path after the turn was basically a straight line. From what little I can gather after it made its turn, it seems that some have stated it went way up and then way down and then up again and down again.

If it was on some sort of autopilot, it seems it would be basically a straight line with hardly any deviation in height either. I wont rule this theory out altogether because its as good as any others at this point.

 

[Bravo]

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So I have been wrong all this time with my tin foil hat :floorlaugh:

 

[ElleElle]

Even if the plane is ever found, the black box will be of no help.
With all communications having been turned off, the black box would have only recorded what happened before all communication was disabled. Which may or not be helpful.

I don't know if this is actually correct, but I think I read on the last thread that the black box only works properly if the transponders and ACARS, etc are on and working.

Yes, i'd like to know the answer to this too.

If an aircraft blows up, for example, would that cut communication to ACARS?

 

[Isabelle]

Has it been confirmed without doubt that all electronic communication systems were working at the time of take off. Is there any other country or ATC that has confirmed this besides Malaysia? Thanks

 

[ElleElle]

Most welcome. I first learned of those when I read the book, Catch Me If You Can (about a guy who impersonated airline pilots among other professions. Totally unsettling in that his skillsets greatly resembled those of my son at the time. ) Book was the inspiration for the TV show White Collar; I liked the movie better than the book (with Leonardo DiCaprio, who also bears a striking resemblance to my son).

That is one of my favourite movies! :loveyou:

 

[Hatfield]

Even if the plane is ever found, the black box will be of no help.
With all communications having been turned off, the black box would have only recorded what happened before all communication was disabled. Which may or not be helpful.

I don't know if this is actually correct, but I think I read on the last thread that the black box only works properly if the transponders and ACARS, etc are on and working.

I had heard on the news that it records like the last 2 hours of whatever it gathers. Some of that data is actual in the cabin sound recordings. So this to me would be helpful because if it is very silent in the cabin for last 2 hours of the black box battery life, then that would indicate any pilots were not responsive and not talking. Basically nobody flying plane. There would have to be verbal communication in that cockpit even if hijackers have the controls.

So I do think it will help to find it even if the battery dies on the black box.

My understanding is it is still helpful to find it. My understanding of the problem when the battery dies in it is that it wont send out pings to allow searches to find the thing. But it doesnt mean that last 2 hours of recorded data is lost.

All JMO based on what I heard about black boxes.

ETA. You could be right that parts of the recorded information like location etc. could be related to the transponders and stuff however I think the in the cabin recordings is truly just like a tape recorder of sound in the cabin and I doubt the transponders being shut off would affect that part of what would be recorded in the black box.

 

[Spellbound]

Even if the plane is ever found, the black box will be of no help.
With all communications having been turned off, the black box would have only recorded what happened before all communication was disabled. Which may or not be helpful.

I don't know if this is actually correct, but I think I read on the last thread that the black box only works properly if the transponders and ACARS, etc are on and working.

According to this page, the black box can be heard at about 15 mile range. A lot of questions on black boxes are at this site.

How much data can a black box store?
A flight data recorder is required to store a minimum of 25 hours of flight information. A cockpit voice recorder is required to record a minimum of 2 hours of audio information.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/03/11/289189214/what-would-it-take-to-destroy-a-black-box

 

[Plumeria5]

Who forgot to wear green today?

:lepsmilie:oke:

 

[popsicle]

BBM.
I don't find it concerning or suspicious that the pilot had an 'interest' in the Boston Bombing.
I had an interest in the Boston Bombing as well. I have an interest in terrorism/terrorists. I also have an interest in serial killers. Does that mean that one day I'll be a terrorist or a serial killer? Does it make me a bad person? No. I just find these kinds of things interesting to me. I'm sure the pilot was the same way.

I'm not ready to blame the pilot for the plane's disappearance yet.

I agree. I don't usually address these things on my FB but I did post once about Hasan and the Ft Hood shootings when it happened.

 

[dotr]

Thinking of the words " All right, good night" and how they reminded me of this song. Fwiw.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodnight,_Irene
bbm
""Goodnight, Irene" or "Irene, Goodnight," is a 20th-century American folk standard, written in 3/4 time, first recorded by American blues musician Huddie 'Lead Belly' Ledbetter in 1933.

The lyrics tell of the singer's troubled past with his love, Irene, and express his sadness and frustration. Several verses make explicit references to suicidal fantasies, most famously in the line "sometimes I take a great notion to jump in the river and drown," which was the inspiration for the 1964 Ken Kesey novel Sometimes a Great Notion"

 

[Bravo]

Who forgot to wear green today?

:lepsmilie:oke:

Me. And I am part Irish :blushing: It's just not a flattering color for me :floorlaugh:

 

[LadyL]

the pilot had an 'interest' in the Boston Bombing? so there is new news? what's this about then?

 

[panthera]

Precautionary measures but........

http://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-el-al-expert-iran-likely-involved-in-mh-370/

That is one nation which is on top of everything regarding security and I applaud them. No theory should be dismissed at this point; someone took that plane very much off course for some nefarious purpose.

MOO

 

[lawstudent]

the pilot had an 'interest' in the Boston Bombing? so there is new news? what's this about then?

He posted condolences on Facebook...if he truly had an interest in it, I would bet investigators have already looked into it.

 

[panthera]

Who forgot to wear green today?

:lepsmilie:oke:

Didn't forget!

:lepsmilie: :lepsmilie:

 

[jmcgladr]

I'm not going to lie, I love the simulator on cnn.

Eta: anyone else watching just now realized the guy in the simulator just said you have to go down to the electronics bay to unplug the ACARS and then Wolf was like "yeah it can be turned off from the cockpit" or something to that extent?


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I don't know if someone's responded to this already, but from what I've read there are two parts to ACARS. The first part, that can be disabled using the pilot's controls, and the second part, which requires going under the cockpit to disable. I have read that the first part was disabled, but not the second - unless that information has changed.