Malaysia Flight MH17 shot down in Ukraine. 298 aboard. 7/17/2014 - #1

[cady]

I think that the Ukrainian government is putting dibs on the investigation, but that won't fly with any of the involved countries.........JMO

 

[Softail]

But it would record if anything suspicious happened in the cockpit.
Maybe it was hijacked? There could be voices in the cockpit that don't belong to either pilot.

Yeah, it would confirm if anything hinky went on. I personally don't think anything did. This plane was shot down. IMO.

 

[CHERIE.T]

This is horrible. All those innocent lives taken away.

 

[Steely Dan]

But it would record if anything suspicious happened in the cockpit.
Maybe it was hijacked? There could be voices in the cockpit that don't belong to either pilot.

It would also record if nothing seemed wrong and then suddenly it just stopped or maybe they could hear a missile approaching the plane.

 

[Steely Dan]

But it's a Malaysian plane.
Shouldn't the authorities there be in charge of examining the black box?

What's the saying? "Possession is ninety percent of the law."

Also, someone wondered how the black box was found so quickly. In a ground crash like this it may not be that hard. JMO

 

[Dr. Know?]

The Independent ‏@Independent · 18m
'Nine Britons and 80 children' feared dead after flight #MH17 'shot down'
http://ind.pn/UeesFQ pic.twitter.com/WK03huCNrk

https://twitter.com/Independent

 

[dotr]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malays...hot-down-near-ukraine-russia-border-1.2709881

"Malaysia Airlines said in a statement that it received notification from Ukrainian ATC it had lost contact with flight MH17 at 14:15 local time around 30 kilometres from Tamak waypoint, approximately 50 kilometres from the Russia-Ukraine border. The flight had departed Amsterdam around 12.15 p.m.

The Associated Press reported that Anton Gerashenko, an adviser to Ukraine's interior minister, said on his Facebook page that the plane was flying at an altitude of 10,000 metres when it was hit Thursday by a missile fired from a Buk launcher"

 

[LambChop]

Both the aircraft and the engine manufacturers will want to investigate this crash. So I can't see the Russian's denying them access to the site without it reflecting on Russia as trying to cover up the reason for the crash. Also because of what is happening in this region I would not be surprised if they have satellite pictures of what happened. Let's hope. jmo

 

[Dr. Know?]

NewsBreaker ‏@NewsBreaker · 7m
DEVELOPING: Ukraine claims it will present evidence that Russian military was involved in crash of Flight MH17 - @ABC

https://twitter.com/NewsBreaker

There is a lot of surveillance in this area so even if the black boxes aren't in trustworthy hands it will be proven as to who did this. jmo

 

[AnaTeresa]

Both the aircraft and the engine manufacturers will want to investigate this crash. So I can't see the Russian's denying them access to the site without it reflecting on Russia as trying to cover up the reason for the crash. jmo

I can see them easily claiming they have "no control" over the separatists who control the area, though.

 

[AnaTeresa]

The New York Times is reporting that many of the bodies found near the crash site of the Malaysia Airlines plane were intact. NYT says that this detail probably means the plane made "a somewhat controlled landing."

http://news.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/...ash-in-ukraine/#a-report-from-the-crash-scene

ETA: Graphic description of the scene. A big forewarning to you all that might be sensitive to that.

 

[ZaZara]

71 Dutch citizens on board, as calculated from the data from travel agencies.

Alledgedly 23 US citizens (unconfirmed)

4 French.

"Many Chinese"

Children born in 1997, 2001 among the data of the passports found.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Ukraine Witness Describes Explosion Before Malaysian Jet Crash

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/uk...scribes-explosion-malaysian-jet-crash-n158611

 

[SnoopyDawgDawg]

The ABC on-the-scene reporting is devastating and disturbing. Bless the poor reporter.

 

[geevee]

Originally Posted by jggordo View Post

I find it interesting that Obama was on the phone with Putin this morning advising him of new sanctions being imposed on Russia for supplying weapons to separatists in Ukraine. And toward the end of the call Putin casually mentions that this aircraft was down. It seems to me that Putin is becoming much more than a thorn in Obama's side.

Do you have a link for that? TIA

I found this:

5.56pm BST

The White House has confirmed that Obama and Putin spoke on the phone this morning to discuss new US sanctions, Paul Lews reports, but did not say whether the call occurred before or after reports of the crash emerged.

The Kremlin issued the following statement:

"The Russian leader informed the US president about information received just before the telephone call from aviation services about the crash of a Malaysian plane over Ukrainian territory."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/17/malaysia-airlines-plane-crashes-ukraine-live

 

[Steely Dan]

I can see them easily claiming they have "no control" over the separatists who control the area, though.

^^^^ That.

 

[SCHMAE]

Wouldn't Malaysia demand the Russians turn over the black box? Even if Russia claims they did not shoot down the aircraft there would still be too much doubt in Malaysia's mind that Russia can not be counted out as responsible. jmo

I'm sorry Boss , that sounds good in theory. But I don't think Malaysia can demand anyone do anything, least of all Russia.

 

[popsicle]

Wouldn't Malaysia demand the Russians turn over the black box? Even if Russia claims they did not shoot down the aircraft there would still be too much doubt in Malaysia's mind that Russia can not be counted out as responsible. jmo

Investigation of the black box falls on the country/state of where it is found. Learned this when looking into the MH370 disappearance. jmo

 

[kai]

The ABC on-the-scene reporting is devastating and disturbing. Bless the poor reporter.

I had to turn my volume down. I couldn't listen to him anymore. So sad.

 

[Little Jedi]

President Putin's plane might have been the target for Ukrainian missile

Interfax News Agency

http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/