Found Deceased Malaysia - Nora Quoirin, 15, from UK, special needs, missing on vacation, Seremban, 4 Aug 2019 #6

[Ruthbullock]

Prelim autopsy reported in media all refer to stress related.
She would have experienced a helluva lotta pain following a perforation.
When exactly do they estimate that perforation would have occurred? Her body was relatively intact, autopsy should have been able to determine the onset of the actual perforation from tissues surrounding it.
what was her natural response to pain generally? Did she run from it, could she self-comfort to any degree?
At the time I tried to find out about the shamans and other spiritual practitioners in malaysia. I asked a Twitter contact and she immediately froze, refused to discuss it and told me I should not have asked. It was a really strange interaction and we knew eachother well. It was like 'do not go there' 'this conversation will not take place'
It was as if to discuss it would awaken something bad. The woman is intelligent and has lived in europe and would certainly have come across schools of shamanism in her travels and in her education.
The strange thing was that her attitude actually stopped me dead in my tracks.
A good shaman on a search of that nature would be worth his or her weight in gold.

Shamans are not rated highly in Malaysia and contradict Muslims- so there was possibly a religious clash rather than something suspect.

 

[kittythehare]

Shamans are not rated highly in Malaysia and contradict Muslims- so there was possibly a religious clash rather than something suspect.

Good point, well made.
She was Muslim but many stricter Muslims would still have discussed it and would be highly knowledgeable on the subject.

 

[evilwise]

Prelim autopsy reported in media all refer to stress related.
She would have experienced a helluva lotta pain following a perforation.
When exactly do they estimate that perforation would have occurred? Her body was relatively intact, autopsy should have been able to determine the onset of the actual perforation from tissues surrounding it.
what was her natural response to pain generally? Did she run from it, could she self-comfort to any degree?
At the time I tried to find out about the shamans and other spiritual practitioners in malaysia. I asked a Twitter contact and she immediately froze, refused to discuss it and told me I should not have asked. It was a really strange interaction and we knew eachother well. It was like 'do not go there' 'this conversation will not take place'
It was as if to discuss it would awaken something bad. The woman is intelligent and has lived in europe and would certainly have come across schools of shamanism in her travels and in her education.
The strange thing was that her attitude actually stopped me dead in my tracks.
A good shaman on a search of that nature would be worth his or her weight in gold.

In addition to the rocky relationship between Islam and native animism, there was an embarrassing incident with a shaman related to missing Malaysian Air flight 370.

One thing that I discovered reading about Malaysian animism in the last few days is that the word "Dusun" explicitly refers to native mysticism

 

[Cascadia Mount]

This link from January

Nóra Quoirin's parents want case reopened
According to an earlier report, Nóra died from internal bleeding - probably caused by hunger and stress.

"We ultimately believe there is absolutely no chance that Nóra got out of the chalet by herself," said Meabh.

"We have elements to believe that she was probably kidnapped, and I think it is extremely important for us to get to the truth, to get to the bottom of that and seek justice.

"It is important for us to see how police conducted their investigation at the time."

Speaking on the programme, Sebastien said he was "horrified" when he found Nóra was not in her bed, and that she would "never get up in the middle of the night".

We now know that Nora's mother had just joined the family after being away on a business street. So Nora hadn't seen her in several days. It seems so strange that if Nora had woken up in an unfamiliar place she wouldn't have just gone to her parents.

 

[kittythehare]

In addition to the rocky relationship between Islam and native animism, there was an embarrassing incident with a shaman related to missing Malaysian Air flight 370.

One thing that I discovered reading about Malaysian animism in the last few days is that the word "Dusun" explicitly refers to native mysticism

Thank you.
Worth a look, for sure.
If it's not natural, it's justified.
I suppose it's down to what they saw when they saw her, that's if anybody ever saw her after she disappeared..

 

[kittythehare]

We now know that Nora's mother had just joined the family after being away on a business street. So Nora hadn't seen her in several days. It seems so strange that if Nora had woken up in an unfamiliar place she wouldn't have just gone to her parents.

Maybe she was a little disorientated or thought they were outside or door or window she used led to them?

 

[MimosaMornings]

Perhaps Nora was used to going to an aide/nanny? I would think with her mother’s travel/work as well as her father’s employment- they would need assistance caring/watching Nora.
JMO

 

[Clair Louise]

Perhaps Nora was used to going to an aide/nanny? I would think with her mother’s travel/work as well as her father’s employment- they would need assistance caring/watching Nora.
JMO

Good point.

 

[Cascadia Mount]

Maybe she was a little disorientated or thought they were outside or door or window she used led to them?

Makes sense.

 

[Cascadia Mount]

Perhaps Nora was used to going to an aide/nanny? I would think with her mother’s travel/work as well as her father’s employment- they would need assistance caring/watching Nora.
JMO

Yes, if they had a nanny at home that would be another person who should be interviewed to find out what Nora was actually capable of.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

But according to the above link, her father said she would never get up in the middle of the night. If he said that, I trust that.

Perhaps she did get up after or around sunrise but before her parents? I'd like to know if she was the kind of child who would be quiet knowing her siblings were sleeping or the kind who would wake others once she was awake for company.

It's hard to imagine someone kidnapped her from a room in which others slept and no one heard a thing. But I can think of a case (of a missing baby) where this seems to have happened.

If that happened, there's really no way she didn't wake up and struggle, right? It's all so confusing.

 

[Cascadia Mount]

But according to the above link, her father said she would never get up in the middle of the night. If he said that, I trust that.

Perhaps she did get up after or around sunrise but before her parents? I'd like to know if she was the kind of child who would be quiet knowing her siblings were sleeping or the kind who would wake others once she was awake for company.

It's hard to imagine someone kidnapped her from a room in which others slept and no one heard a thing. But I can think of a case (of a missing baby) where this seems to have happened.

If that happened, there's really no way she didn't wake up and struggle, right? It's all so confusing.

It's the most confusing case I've ever seen. I trust the father too, it's just that sometimes parents don't know everything about their child.

 

[kittythehare]

Anything is possible and everything is possible.
Not getting out of bed while at home and in a new place with deer nearby are entirely different situations.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

True, plus jetlag is a strange thing. But but but ... if she wanted to visit the deer, why didn't she just go out the front door? She just happened to choose the window with the broken latch? Seems unlikely too. It all seems unlikely, but there may be facts known only to her family that would make things clearer.

 

[Officer Dibble]

here you go

Nora Quoirin died of starvation after week in jungle, investigators believe

'No foul play' in Nora Quoirin death

Nora Quoirin death: family urges police to continue to investigate after foul play ruled out

Not being funny but you would not starve to death after 7 days. JMO. Dehydration yes, that to me is possible however. JMO MOO

 

[kittythehare]

Not being funny but you would not starve to death after 7 days. JMO. Dehydration yes, that to me is possible however. JMO MOO

I suppose it would depend upon underlying conditions, if she had a history of gastric or duodenal ulcers, excess acid could corrode her organs,not the same as starvation...but hunger can cause the release of hcl.

 

[Officer Dibble]

A British doctor who conducted a second autopsy on Nora’s body will also testify remotely, he said.

The Quoirin family has sued the resort owner for alleged negligence. They said in their lawsuit that there was no security at the resort and that a cottage window was found ajar with a broken latch on the morning Nora disappeared.

Nora had poor motor skills and needed help to walk and her mental age was about five or six years old, her parents’ said in the claim
Inquest into death of Nora Quoirin begins in Malaysia

(august '20)

Thank you for this - I didn't know her mental age was about five or six years old.

 

[Clair Louise]

True, plus jetlag is a strange thing. But but but ... if she wanted to visit the deer, why didn't she just go out the front door? She just happened to choose the window with the broken latch? Seems unlikely too. It all seems unlikely, but there may be facts known only to her family that would make things clearer.

It is long, narrow almost floor length window that looked like you could just step out of it. She may have thought that it was a door of some kind.

 

[Cascadia Mount]

It seems strange to me that in 10 days of searching Nora's clothes were not found.

 

[MimosaMornings]

The Dusun @ Seremban
(Pictures/narrative from a former guest which helped refresh my memories of the house)

“There are no doors, windows or blinds separating the living room from the deck and the grounds beyond, which is both a good and bad thing, depending on your perspective. “

*That open balcony would have scared me with a 5 year old and an 8 year old.

“The loft holds a double and a single mattress. It’s a little hotter up here than downstairs but like the rest of the house, there are an abundance of ceiling and floor fans. “

*Downstairs is a double bed. 3 kids?

“Mosquito nets and electric vape matts keep the mossies off, which is essential as The Dusun doesn’t fog (for environmental reasons), but at night lights will attract flying bugs, that in turn will attract lizards and geckos (our resident gecko said hello to us), and anything they leave behind (like dead insects and poop) will attract ants. If all those insects and reptiles creeping and flying about freaks you out then a stay at The Dusun will be out of your comfort zone.”

*Everything is open, especially the downstairs area - no air conditioning.
Probably would have left a light on for Nora? So the kids could find a bathroom?

*An open unsecured outside/inside concept resort would not be my first choice with young children. Perhaps they used special locks on their doors at home or a baby type monitor.
JMO