Found Deceased Malaysia - Nora Quoirin, 15, from UK, special needs, missing on vacation, Seremban, 4 Aug 2019 #6

[Ruthbullock]

Ransom email Quoirin family got over missing teen was a scam, inquest told | Malay Mail

 

[kittythehare]

SEREMBAN, Sept 3 — A total of eight fingerprints were lifted from a window at a jungle villa where Irish-French teen Nora Anne Quoirin supposedly exited and disappeared near here last year, a former state Criminal Investigations Department chief testified at the Coroner’s Court today.

Assistant Commissioner Wan Rukman Wan Hassan said the police made the findings after dusting the window at Sora House located within The Dusun resort for fingerprints.

He added that the fingerprints were lifted on August 4, 2019, subsequent to a missing persons report lodged by the resort owner and family on the same day.


“We managed to obtain eight fingerprints from the window frame and 20 samples taken from family members, workers, former workers and workers in an adjacent resort for our comparisons.

“The results which I was informed of on August 6, 2019 on the eight samples were as followed;
four of them had inadequate features while four more were in suitable condition.

“Of the four that we compared with the 20 samples we obtained, only one matched the mother of the missing person while the remaining three were unknown,” Wak Rukman, the 11th witness in Quoirin’s inquest, told Coroner Maimoonah Aid.

When asked further what he meant by inadequate features by Quoirin’s lawyer S. Sakthyvell, Wak Rukman explained that these fingerprints could mean partial or side prints which rendered them unsuitable for analysis.

As for the three unknown fingerprints and whether Quoirin’s fingerprint could be one of them, Wak Rukman explained that it may also belong to the previous tenants before affirming that the authorities managed to obtain the girl’s fingerprint through the assistance of the International Criminal Police Organisation (Interpol).

“At that time when we lacked a sample, we did manage to obtain a fingerprint sample later from her home country through Interpol but it was her middle finger.

“But that too was incomplete and we couldn’t make our comparison.

“Even after she was found and a sample taken, there was no positive result as her prints have shrivelled due to the exposure [of her body] to the environment,” he said.



Police lifted eight fingerprints from window at jungle villa where Nora Anne Quoirin disappeared, inquest told | Malay Mail


From all the above, there is no proof of Nora's fingerprints on the window. So what exactly is the reason that the Malaysian police are so certain that Nora exited Sora house via this window ?

Wow!
So we still have 3 unidentified fingerprints?
Surely in a case of this magnitude in terms of world interest the former tenants would have been asked to submit fingerprints for analysis? Did this not happen??

 

[Sarahlou]

So, unidentified fingerprints and no actual proof she exited through the window....
I would not be satisfied with this.

 

[kittythehare]

Let's make a list of anomalies?
1. Marks on her feet inconsistent with distance and terrain traveled.
2. Unidentified fingerprints
3. Family claim that her poor motor skills meant she could only travel a very short distance unaided.
Please add others.

 

[Sarahlou]

For instance:
Malaysian shamans conduct rituals to help locate missing Nora Quoirin

The day after the shamans had been, Nora was found. It's easy to look up this info.
The only thing is that she was already dead since 4 days when she was found.

I've just remembered this

"A volunteer who found missing teen Nora Quoirin's body said today that he believes she could not have been in the spot for long because previous searches of the area would have found her."

Another strange thing.

Nora Quoirin: Hiker tells how she was lying in plain sight in Malaysian jungle | Daily Mail Online

 

[kittythehare]

I've just remembered this

"A volunteer who found missing teen Nora Quoirin's body said today that he believes she could not have been in the spot for long because previous searches of the area would have found her."

Another strange thing.

Nora Quoirin: Hiker tells how she was lying in plain sight in Malaysian jungle | Daily Mail Online

I searched unsuccessfully for the last most recent search of that area, I could not find a date.

 

[Chiatos]

I searched unsuccessfully for the last most recent search of that area, I could not find a date.

August 9th.
The spot was searched on the 4th, 5th and 6th day of the searches: 7th-8th-9th of August.
Nora Quoirin was ‘still alive and moving’ during search in Malaysian jungle
https://twitter.com/Howardrjohnson/status/1298502192165318657

 

[kittythehare]

August 9th.
The spot was searched on the 4th, 5th and 6th day of the searches: 7th-8th-9th of August.
Nora Quoirin was ‘still alive and moving’ during search in Malaysian jungle
https://twitter.com/Howardrjohnson/status/1298502192165318657

https://twitter.com/Howardrjohnson/status/1298502192165318657?s=20

Searched 9 august, that was the day she died!

 

[Chiatos]

In these pics you can see that people pitched some tents right next to the waterfall:

خرائط ‪Google‬‏‏

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[Chiatos]

https://twitter.com/Howardrjohnson/status/1298502192165318657?s=20

Searched 9 august, that was the day she died!

I noticed that too.....

 

[Ruthbullock]

If a search party had been there the previous three days-was she trying to get there as she heard people, or was she hiding nearby the whole time afraid of coming out? Whilst it could be the day she died, she could have also died the day after. She is found on day 10 and died four days before working backwards a day at a time she could have died on day 7 (which would be day 1, day 10 would be day 4). They did say she was lying as though she was asleep with her head laid on her hands, curled up. Did she lay down to wait for the search party to return and sadly they didn’t return for several more days.

 

[Chiatos]

It would probably be safer to say that Nora died 2 to 4 days before she was found:

Date of death
The Malaysian pathologists dated Nóra’s death to two or three days, and no more than four days, before her body was found.
Source: The Irish Times, 13 August 2020

 

[kittythehare]

It would probably be safer to say that Nora died 2 to 4 days before she was found:

Date of death
The Malaysian pathologists dated Nóra’s death to two or three days, and no more than four days, before her body was found.
Source: The Irish Times, 13 August 2020

was that from the preliminary autopsy?

 

[kittythehare]

'cos with a perforated duodenal ulcer, nobody is gonna be walking any distance at all.ETA specifically states 4 days dead.
That brings us back to 9th.
Now, depending upon how closely they searched that area they either missed her or she actually was not there..
Nora Quoirin wasn't sexually assaulted before her death, inquest hears

 

[kittythehare]

Feet
Mobility
site searched 9th, died 9th,
Fingerprints.

 

[kittythehare]

deffo dead 4 days Nora Quoirin 'survived six days before dying in jungle', inquest told

but this report does not cite 9th as one of dates searched
I'm searching for a livestream

 

[kittythehare]

Negri Sembilan criminal investigations officer Supt Chong Mee Chyi, said when the family checked in they contacted the management when they realised the window could not be closed securely.

Ms Chong said the family told her the resort took no action to fix the window and that the owner told them the accommodation "is very hot, so the window can be opened to allow for wind to enter".

Coroner Maimoonah Aid then asked Ms Chong about what other activities the family did before 22:00, when they said they went to sleep.

"They said they were in the living room, happy and chatting, before going to sleep… I asked them, after checking in, did you go out of Sora House to go anywhere within or outside the Dusun area? They said no," she said.

Thttps://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-...-quoirin&link_location=live-reporting-storyhe inquest will continue on 1 September

So now we have a reported broken window catch which family state they had closed prior to sleeping, a hotel that didn't appear to clean windows very well or conduct regular maintenance..

Autopsy should also have been able to estimate accurately time of perforation in relation to time of death.. we're only getting crumbs here of a mega jigsaw puzzle..
WHAT is wrong with the media, this story was MEGA!?

 

[Chiatos]

'cos with a perforated duodenal ulcer, nobody is gonna be walking any distance at all.ETA specifically states 4 days dead.
That brings us back to 9th.
Now, depending upon how closely they searched that area they either missed her or she actually was not there..
Nora Quoirin wasn't sexually assaulted before her death, inquest hears

Nora was "lying in plain sight" when her body was found.
They couldn't have missed her if she would have been on that spot on the 9th.

 

[kittythehare]

Nora was "lying in plain sight" when her body was found.
They couldn't have missed her if she would have been on that spot on the 9th.

No, they couldn't have. If they had actually really been there on that date.

 

[Chiatos]

No, they couldn't have. If they had actually really been there on that date.

The one doesn't rule out the other.
Nora could have reached that spot (been taken there) after they were gone. All on the 9th.

Or, she was placed there after she had died.