MaM a Year Later - Reconstruct the Crime

[Limaes]

AFAICT no test showed that particular gun had been fired recently, or evidence of blowback from shooting a person at close range.

Assuming she was shot in the head with a small caliber weapon, it has been known to happen that sometimes people do shoot themselves in the head.

And sometimes people are accidentally shot in the head (and thus not murder).

So the answer is Teresa could have been shot in the head and there could still be no murder.

There is no assuming. She was shot at least twice in the head with SA's gun. This is trial testimony from an expert with impeccable credentials.

For your opinion to be accurate, this would require Teresa sneaking into SA's trailer, tip toeing into his bedroom and stealing his rifle, leaving the property, shooting herself at least twice in the head and a third bullet travelling through soft tissue elsewhere on her body, picking up the third bullet, driving back to the ASY, sneaking back into his bedroom to put the bullet in the garage so it wasn't easily found by LE, and again leaving his property and hopefully dying at a location that was easy for LE to find her just so they could cremate her and bring her back to SA's burnpit. They must have dropped by the Clerk's office on the way to pick up the blood vial in the hope that he has a bleeding injury somewhere. This is clearly not even a remotely possible theory just like Teresa shooting her self. To suggest someone can be accidently shot at least three times is also not feasible imo.

 

[Limaes]

If you say so. But they are direct quotes from a police report (which may not be the best source for accurate info either).



It seems odd that in this plot any car would be needed at all. If the intent was just to kill the photographer when she shows up there's no need to make it more complicated by involving Barb at all. There were probably plenty of cars within a hundred yards that someone could pretend to be selling.



As quoted from the police report on the reddit thread I linked:

BARBARA said she returned home at about 7:45 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. and told BLAINE and BRENDAN she was going over by SCOTT's house for a while.

BARBARA said when she returned home at 8:00 p.m., she did see a rather large fire, approximately three feet high, in the pit at STEVEN's garage. She said she could tell there were two people standing there; however does not know who that was.

Makes it rather look like the unknown persons standing by the fire couldn't be Brendan or Blaine, as she knew exactly where they were because she talked to them about her plans.

http://imgur.com/Ovs7ILk



Yes, both of them purchased novelty items from a sex shop. I don't think anyone's denied that.

From your own link, not once does BJ state that BD was in the house when she arrived home at 8. She said she told "whoever was in the house". She called SA later on telling him to make sure BD had a sweater and to be home by a certain time. Why would she do that if he was at home?

 

[Limaes]

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I doubt that she went willingly into his bedroom..there had to be a struggle and during a struggle she would have left skins cells somewhere, no?

What struggle? A young girl with a gun pointed in her face isn't going to struggle. That is why he uses it, he is a coward imo. If someone points a gun at you and demands your purse, are you going to give it to them or put up a struggle? Should anyone later believe it happened because there are no signs of a struggle? This is not a CSI Episode BCA, it is real.

 

[Limaes]

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According to the CASO reports, page 264...

We asked BARBARA if she could recall the date of 10/31/05, Halloween, and her activities that day. BARBARA said she had gone to work and had returned home at approximately 4:50 p.m.or 5:00 p.m. BARBARA said BLAINE, BOBBY and BRENDAN were all home at 5:00 p.m.

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/CASO-Records-Request-Response_redacted.pdf

Yes, he was home when she got home around 5. That isn't the issue here. He went back and the phone recordings verify she knows he did.

 

[Limaes]

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Happy Holidays Limaes!

I don't agree, so we can agree to disagree.

I don't believe there was more blood in the RAV 4 because the cargo mat is missing. I have owned several Toyota SUV's and they all come with a cargo mat. I believe the stuff that was found back there was thrown in there after TH was removed. You can see in the picture where the dirt is heavier in certain areas than where the mat would lay.

I don't see any difference in your yellow circle than to the rest of the floor. The photo of the cargo area remains the biggest stumbling block for the but there is no blood, DNA or fibers on the bed theory. Imo, she was wrapped in something a lot more liquid proof than a car rug. Teresa's family and friends would be familiar with the interior of her car both before and after her murder and not one word about an allegedly missing floor rug.

 

[dexter75]

What struggle? A young girl with a gun pointed in her face isn't going to struggle. That is why he uses it, he is a coward imo. If someone points a gun at you and demands your purse, are you going to give it to them or put up a struggle? Should anyone later believe it happened because there are no signs of a struggle? This is not a CSI Episode BCA, it is real.

It's real alright. Personally I think it's more complex/farfetched to think Avery INVOLVED BARB when there was no need. ( As was mentioned before, thousands of cars on that lot that could have been sold ) Then " held a shot gun on teresa and brutally raped her on a tarp..a tarp that stayed perfectly still ...then had Branden do it, again, this tarp! Never moved..I can't even get past these thoughts alone. Am I missing something???

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[Limaes]

It's real alright. Personally I think it's more complex/farfetched to think Avery INVOLVED BARB when there was no need. ( As was mentioned before, thousands of cars on that lot that could have been sold ) Then " held a shot gun on teresa and brutally raped her on a tarp..a tarp that stayed perfectly still ...then had Branden do it, again, this tarp! Never moved..I can't even get past these thoughts alone. Am I missing something???

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Yes, I think you are missing something. SA did involve BJ. I'm not sure why it is being debated. It is a fact. His reasoning or what he could have done is irrelevant. On paper, he took himself out of the whole thing. Going off on a tangent of what he coulda woulda shoulda isn't going to achieve anything imo.

 

[Limaes]

Then " held a shot gun on teresa and brutally raped her on a tarp..a tarp that stayed perfectly still ...then had Branden do it, again, this tarp! Never moved..I can't even get past these thoughts alone. Am I missing something???

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He works, and lives, at a salvage yard. He had the resources at his convenience such as a tarp, or sheet of plastic etc, large enough to cover the whole bed twice over. The poor girl had her arms and legs restrained. She was not able to move no matter how much he repulsed her imo. A defenceless young lady had no chance against such a calculated, evil monster.

 

[missy1974]

Read the last sentence.

BARBARA said she returned home at about 7:45 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. and told BLAINE and
BRENDAN she was going over by SCOTT's house for a while.


If we are to believe Brendan's confession, and the only explanation for the lack of DNA/blood, etc. in the trailer and garage is because of something waterproof, leak proof, and able to stop all evidence from flying away... lets call it a tarp.... why didn't Brendan mention a tarp?

 

[missy1974]

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Happy Holidays Limaes!

I don't agree, so we can agree to disagree.

I don't believe there was more blood in the RAV 4 because the cargo mat is missing. I have owned several Toyota SUV's and they all come with a cargo mat. I believe the stuff that was found back there was thrown in there after TH was removed. You can see in the picture where the dirt is heavier in certain areas than where the mat would lay.

Would the cargo mat go under the back seats BCA? I cannot figure out why anyone would put those seats up the way they were unless they were trying to pull out the cargo mat and they were 'stuck' under the seats. Most cargo mats would be rubber backed as well, so would prevent blood from absorbing into the carpet underneath the rug IMO kind of the point of the cargo mats, right?

 

[Limaes]

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Read the last sentence.

BARBARA said she returned home at about 7:45 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. and told BLAINE and
BRENDAN she was going over by SCOTT's house for a while.


If we are to believe Brendan's confession, and the only explanation for the lack of DNA/blood, etc. in the trailer and garage is because of something waterproof, leak proof, and able to stop all evidence from flying away... lets call it a tarp.... why didn't Brendan mention a tarp?

That is not the last sentence. Underneath it clearly states:

BARBARA said when she retumed home at 8:00 p.m., she did see a rather large fire,
approximately three feet high, in the pit at STEVEN's garage. She said she could tell there were
two people standing there; however, does not know who that was. BARBARA said SCOTT
made the comment, "Look how big the fire is." BARBARA stated she went into the house to tell
whoever was in the house at the time that she was going to be leaving for a short time.


If BD was inside the house, why would she call SA to make sure BD had a sweater and was home by a certain time? No one seems to be able to answer that question. Imo, she knew darn well that was SA & BD out by the fire.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

What struggle? A young girl with a gun pointed in her face isn't going to struggle. That is why he uses it, he is a coward imo. If someone points a gun at you and demands your purse, are you going to give it to them or put up a struggle? Should anyone later believe it happened because there are no signs of a struggle? This is not a CSI Episode BCA, it is real.

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Really~~I don't care if someone has a gun, frankly I'm going to fight or die fighting. If I'm ever in the situation, it's a no win~~so I'll take my chances getting shot (hopefully not fatally).

I don't even watch CSI...that was rude.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Would the cargo mat go under the back seats BCA? I cannot figure out why anyone would put those seats up the way they were unless they were trying to pull out the cargo mat and they were 'stuck' under the seats. Most cargo mats would be rubber backed as well, so would prevent blood from absorbing into the carpet underneath the rug IMO kind of the point of the cargo mats, right?

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The one's I've owned did not go under the seats~~I never owned a RAV 4, so it is possible~~but I'd have to say probably not. From the pic's I've posted, they go right up to the back seats and yes they are very thick and would prevent the carpet from getting any type of absorption. I'll try to take a picture of mine and post it so you can see how thick they are.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

That is not the last sentence. Underneath it clearly states:

BARBARA said when she retumed home at 8:00 p.m., she did see a rather large fire,
approximately three feet high, in the pit at STEVEN's garage. She said she could tell there were
two people standing there; however, does not know who that was. BARBARA said SCOTT
made the comment, "Look how big the fire is." BARBARA stated she went into the house to tell
whoever was in the house at the time that she was going to be leaving for a short time.


If BD was inside the house, why would she call SA to make sure BD had a sweater and was home by a certain time? No one seems to be able to answer that question. Imo, she knew darn well that was SA & BD out by the fire.

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Your assuming...
It is quite possible he was there and asked to go over to Steven's house at that time. We don't know, we don't have enough information to make that call.

 

[missy1974]

That is not the last sentence. Underneath it clearly states:

BARBARA said when she retumed home at 8:00 p.m., she did see a rather large fire,
approximately three feet high, in the pit at STEVEN's garage. She said she could tell there were
two people standing there; however, does not know who that was. BARBARA said SCOTT
made the comment, "Look how big the fire is." BARBARA stated she went into the house to tell
whoever was in the house at the time that she was going to be leaving for a short time.


If BD was inside the house, why would she call SA to make sure BD had a sweater and was home by a certain time? No one seems to be able to answer that question. Imo, she knew darn well that was SA & BD out by the fire.

It was the last sentence in that paragraph that I snipped from the CASO report. Again, page 264

and I guess I should have quoted, but it was in response to your post:

From your own link, not once does BJ state that BD was in the house when she arrived home at 8. She said she told "whoever was in the house". She called SA later on telling him to make sure BD had a sweater and to be home by a certain time. Why would she do that if he was at home?

You are wrong. She does state it.

I agree that the report says she stated "whoever was in the the house", but if that didn't include Brendan, she just contradicted herself, or the officer who made the report is wrong. But the statement does not eliminate Brendan from being in the house.

Can you please provide me to a link to where Barb called Steven that evening about the sweater? I know I have heard or read it somewhere, but I can't find it. It isn't in the report I just linked, and I'm pretty sure it's not on the phone records that we do have of Steven's (but she could have called the house phone I guess).

 

[missy1974]

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The one's I've owned did not go under the seats~~I never owned a RAV 4, so it is possible~~but I'd have to say probably not. From the pic's I've posted, they go right up to the back seats and yes they are very thick and would prevent the carpet from getting any type of absorption. I'll try to take a picture of mine and post it so you can see how thick they are.

Thanks! I remember looking months ago, but don't recall finding any RAV4 cargo mat pics.

 

[proudfootz]

From your own link, not once does BJ state that BD was in the house when she arrived home at 8. She said she told "whoever was in the house". She called SA later on telling him to make sure BD had a sweater and to be home by a certain time. Why would she do that if he was at home?

Barb said she didn't know who was at the fire, but she says when she came home she talked to 'whoever was in the house' and names Blaine and Brendan. Who else do you think was in the house?.

BARBARA said she returned home at about 7:45 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. and told BLAINE and BRENDAN she was going over by SCOTT's house for a while.

BARBARA said when she returned home at 8:00 p.m., she did see a rather large fire, approximately three feet high, in the pit at STEVEN's garage. She said she could tell there were two people standing there; however does not know who that was.

Are you claiming she went over to the bonfire? If she did, then she didn't recognize her own son or his uncle? She didn't see a body in the small fire pit?

 

[proudfootz]

There is no assuming. She was shot at least twice in the head with SA's gun. This is trial testimony from an expert with impeccable credentials.

For your opinion to be accurate, this would require Teresa sneaking into SA's trailer, tip toeing into his bedroom and stealing his rifle, leaving the property, shooting herself at least twice in the head and a third bullet travelling through soft tissue elsewhere on her body, picking up the third bullet, driving back to the ASY, sneaking back into his bedroom to put the bullet in the garage so it wasn't easily found by LE, and again leaving his property and hopefully dying at a location that was easy for LE to find her just so they could cremate her and bring her back to SA's burnpit. They must have dropped by the Clerk's office on the way to pick up the blood vial in the hope that he has a bleeding injury somewhere. This is clearly not even a remotely possible theory just like Teresa shooting her self. To suggest someone can be accidently shot at least three times is also not feasible imo.

Even if we have a bullet hole in a bone, there's no way to match the hole to a bullet, let alone a gun. We can infer such a thing, obviously. But then we are straying off the path of what can be proved into speculation.

The only thing connecting the one bullet found in the garage to Teresa is Sherry Culhane's filthy lab, where she can't do a simple test on arguably the most important investigation she will ever do without contaminating it. And let's be generous and give her the benefit of the doubt that she wasn't following the directive of police to 'put Teresa in Avery's garage'.

The number of times Teresa is shot has crept up to three? Now with one through and through shot that produced no blood splatter and a wound that didn't bleed. Never mind, probably covered the entire inside of the garage with tarps.

 

[proudfootz]

Read the last sentence.

BARBARA said she returned home at about 7:45 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. and told BLAINE and
BRENDAN she was going over by SCOTT's house for a while.


If we are to believe Brendan's confession, and the only explanation for the lack of DNA/blood, etc. in the trailer and garage is because of something waterproof, leak proof, and able to stop all evidence from flying away... lets call it a tarp.... why didn't Brendan mention a tarp?

Because his interrogators did not suggest a tarp to him.

IIRC they did lead him to say something about burning the bedclothes.

 

[proudfootz]

That is not the last sentence. Underneath it clearly states:

BARBARA said when she retumed home at 8:00 p.m., she did see a rather large fire,
approximately three feet high, in the pit at STEVEN's garage. She said she could tell there were
two people standing there; however, does not know who that was. BARBARA said SCOTT
made the comment, "Look how big the fire is." BARBARA stated she went into the house to tell
whoever was in the house at the time that she was going to be leaving for a short time.


If BD was inside the house, why would she call SA to make sure BD had a sweater and was home by a certain time? No one seems to be able to answer that question. Imo, she knew darn well that was SA & BD out by the fire.

Since she also bought sex toys, she was probably bummed she didn't get in on the action and had to work that night - because these Averys are a bad lot.

Funny how she tells Blaine and Brendan about her plans to go out, and ALSO tells 'whoever is in the house' - who else was in the house? Police weren't interested to know?

Why would Barb call Steven to make sure Brendan had a sweater and that he should get home by bedtime? Maybe she thought Brendan might forget it was a school night and knew Steven would be responsible enough to take care of his nephew. This doesn't seem like such a mystery.