MaM a Year Later - Reconstruct the Crime

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  • #121
I'm just pointing out again with regard to this case...SO MANY ERRORS, TYPOS, MISCONDUCT, NOT FOLLOWING PROTOCOL... I wonder if this case set a record, and I AM being serious.

These are people's LIVES! I find it infuriating that so many " mistakes " seem to just happen.

Thank God for folks like Zellner. We need more like her.

This post is not directed toward anyone here. Just putting that out there.

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You nailed it my friend. It's infuriating the level of feigned incompetency!

Imagine if this was any other group of professionals responsible for life and death issues? Hospital staff for instance...

Well yeah the guy died because we removed the wrong organ, but there was a typo in the paperwork that came up with the patient...so yeah, I removed a lung instead of the apendix...but the guy was known to smoke, so we didn't look at other possible problems ...

and it's true we also transfused the wrong blood type, but there was a mix-up in the lab. There were open tubes of blood everywhere, cross-contamination going on...

And yes the patient had a lawsuit against the chief surgeon who shouldn't have been in the ER but he was only assisting! A resident was doing the actual surgery.

(Translation=We wanted this patient dead!)

It boggles the mind that there is no real recourse against LE procedural misconduct! (Because it's always just an inoccent error...don't ya know).
 
  • #122
I think if Teresa was shot several times, one could have hit any fleshy part of her body like a hand, arm, leg, or other. Thus a through and through wound could occur causing minimal damage to the slug.
Yes, I was responding to Limaes who stated in his/her opinion the bullet went through facial tissue.
 
  • #123
You nailed it my friend. It's infuriating the level of feigned incompetency!

Imagine if this was any other group of professionals responsible for life and death issues? Hospital staff for instance...

Well yeah the guy died because we removed the wrong organ, but there was a typo in the paperwork that came up with the patient...so yeah, I removed a lung instead of the apendix...but the guy was known to smoke, so we didn't look at other possible problems ...

and it's true we also transfused the wrong blood type, but there was a mix-up in the lab. There were open tubes of blood everywhere, cross-contamination going on...

And yes the patient had a lawsuit against the chief surgeon who shouldn't have been in the ER but he was only assisting! A resident was doing the actual surgery.

(Translation=We wanted this patient dead!)

It boggles the mind that there is no real recourse against LE procedural misconduct! (Because it's always just an inoccent error...don't ya know).
Safeguard, your posts are always insightful & on point❤ MOO

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  • #124
Safeguard, your posts are always insightful & on point❤ MOO

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She nailed it out of the park~~ Good Post Safeguard!

Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas!!:christmastree:
 
  • #125
She nailed it out of the park~~ Good Post Safeguard!

Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas!!:christmastree:

Thanks BCA. Had a great Christmas!
Looking forward to New Years...

A fresh year with no mistakes in it! :)
 
  • #126
Thanks BCA. Had a great Christmas!
Looking forward to New Years...

A fresh year with no mistakes in it! :)
You😉❤
You're pretty slick😉❤
Fewer mistakes indeed🍾🍷
For all of us😉

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  • #127
So it was just another typo? Ok, gotcha. But you did reply to proudfootz with: From your own link, not once does BJ state that BD was in the house when she arrived home at 8. And I was just pointing out that it was not the case, it was stated in the report that BD was home at 8pm.

I don't think I commented on the validity of the statement.

Bobby saw 2 people at the fire before he went to work? didn't he work midnight shift? Wasn't Brendan at home by 10? The "fire story", IMO, is like the fish that got away.... it just keeps getting bigger [emoji3]

If the 'sweater' info came from BD's interviews, that is all I need to know, IMO there is not much I believe in that story either. The call made from SA's cell phone at 9:20pm was to her house phone btw.

My bad, I was wrong because instead of going through the reports myself, I was taking other's word for it. After reading it I am going back to my original comment. BJ doesn't put BD inside the house when she returns from the hospital at 8. She tells Blaine and Brendan she is going to ST's, but she doesn't say whether they were inside the house. The only mention about inside the house was the "whoever" was in the house at that time. Apologies to Officer Baldwin for suggesting she erred in her report when she didn't.

No, BoD didn't work the midnight shift. He left home approximately 9.30pm to start work at 10.00pm and seen two mysterious people by the fire.

Right, BD must have got the sweater story from reading Kiss the Girls? [emoji57]




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  • #128
Barb worked that day and didn't get home until 5:00 PM, then went to the hospital to visit Scott Tadych's mother, returned home about 8:00 and talked to her sons about her going to Scott;'s house for a while.

All that is in the interview in the document we're discussing.

If purchasing novelty sex toys is supposed to be some sort of indication of intent to kidnap and assault someone, Barb is every bit as suspicious as Steven on that score.

I am not suggesting that the purchase itself is any indication. I am suggesting that the animal print on the cuffs has never been found and may contain trace evidence.



According to the document it would appear that 'whoever was there' in the house at 8:00 PM included Brendan and Blaine. I'm pretty sure she'd recognize her sons as she talked to them about her further plans for that night.

It seems to me that whoever Barb claims to have seen by the fire are different than the people in the house, whom she specifically names: Blaine and Brendan.

Barb seems to be saying she spoke in person to Brendan at 8:00 PM.

Yes, I agree that she spoke to BD in person. I just think that he was not inside the house when she got home and that she was well aware he was with her brother at the fire.

What time did she allegedly call Steven? That's yet another phone call Steven is conveniently waiting by the telephone to receive instead of building funeral pyres, chopping up bodies, driving around the 40 acres looking for a place to hide an SUV, cleaning a house and a garage, etc.

No one said he was waiting for the call. How would BJ know he was busy covering his tracks after he had just murdered someone? He didn't have to look for a place to hide the RAV 4. He knows his way around quiet well.
 
  • #129
At this time I am not questioning that a slug could have been found that was fired at some time from that rifle.

What I find questionable is the DNA on the slug - as we both know there was contamination in the lab when that specific test was being conducted.



The only difference i can see is that we have evidence that in the 2005 case the test was ruined by contamination.



I agree, highly unlikely that slug went through bone.



A few more moments of reflection brings me up against the realization that if a bullet were to pass through some part of Teresa while she was wrapped in a tarp, the bullet might puncture a hole in the tarp. Indeed, that would seem to be required for the bullet to be found in the garage and not end up in the fire where they found all those other bullets.

If the body part that was dealt a through and through wound was sticking out of the tarp, then the blood spatter problem reasserts itself.



It was my understanding that the blood on the RAV4 door was thought to be spatter and not simply transfer. This would seem to indicate an attack near the RAV4 when the back door was open.

The area on the floor that was cleaned came up negative for blood, so it could be just about anything but that. They went so far as to take a jackhammer to break up the concrete and came up with nothing there.

The actual sample was not contaminated. It was the control sample. I know people hate LE and Court officials, but imo, it is too big of a stretch to believe that actual contaminated tests would be permitted at trial.

Yes, there would be at least some blood on the floor. Imo, that is what they cleaned that night and I didn't mean to infer that Teresa's blood on the cargo door was not spatter. Imo it looks like it dripped off her hair as they were putting her in the back.

The floor was cleaned up with 3 different liquids containing many different chemicals.
 
  • #130
You nailed it my friend. It's infuriating the level of feigned incompetency!

Imagine if this was any other group of professionals responsible for life and death issues? Hospital staff for instance...

Well yeah the guy died because we removed the wrong organ, but there was a typo in the paperwork that came up with the patient...so yeah, I removed a lung instead of the apendix...but the guy was known to smoke, so we didn't look at other possible problems ...

and it's true we also transfused the wrong blood type, but there was a mix-up in the lab. There were open tubes of blood everywhere, cross-contamination going on...

And yes the patient had a lawsuit against the chief surgeon who shouldn't have been in the ER but he was only assisting! A resident was doing the actual surgery.

(Translation=We wanted this patient dead!)

It boggles the mind that there is no real recourse against LE procedural misconduct! (Because it's always just an inoccent error...don't ya know).

Oh wow, looks like those doctors got their medical degree from Netflix! :)

Like most stories, there is almost always another side. Imagine if the following happened. We'll stick with Doctors to keep it consistent.

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Sorry, but we aren't permitted to treat this patient at this particular hospital because he was misdiagnosed about 20 years ago by doctors that no longer work here and he is currently in litigation with those doctors.

Yes, I realise those doctors no longer work here and the patient is displaying symptoms of a contagious disease that is harmless to him, but deadly to any females that come into contact with him, but that doesn't matter. The patients lawsuit is of the upmost importance and should be put before public health and safety. We know a young lady has died after coming into contact with the patient but you're going to have to look elsewhere for help. In fact, go look for someone with a clean bill of health and is displaying absolutely no symptoms. That is where she probably coulda, woulda, shoulda caught it.

Yes, we have the only two surgeons that can perform this particular operation, but we are not going to allow them to be used because...well...again, the lawsuit is our first priority. The safety of the community is not our problem. We will just have to simply ignore the obvious symptoms of the patient and convince all other hospitals to do the same.
 
  • #131
It boggles the mind that there is no real recourse against LE procedural misconduct! (Because it's always just an inoccent error...don't ya know).

No recourse? Perhaps this link will be helpful for you.

https://www.justice.gov/crt/addressing-police-misconduct-laws-enforced-department-justice

It is litigated at State, Federal & Civil levels (wasn't SA seeking recourse for his wrongful conviction when he murdered Teresa?)

You can't expect to seek recourse for something that you fail to prove imo.
 
  • #132
I am not suggesting that the purchase itself is any indication. I am suggesting that the animal print on the cuffs has never been found and may contain trace evidence.

They might, I suppose.

On the other hand they might, just like everything else, show no sign of Teresa.

Yes, I agree that she spoke to BD in person. I just think that he was not inside the house when she got home and that she was well aware he was with her brother at the fire.

It's true she could be lying, or misremembering.

But if we don't trust her statements to police (and don't trust the police to accurately set them down in writing), then that's a sword that cuts both ways.

No one said he was waiting for the call. How would BJ know he was busy covering his tracks after he had just murdered someone? He didn't have to look for a place to hide the RAV 4. He knows his way around quiet well.

No one AFAIK reports trying to call Steven and his not answering the phone.

With all the things Steven is allegedly doing that evening, he'd need a great deal of luck to be able to field half a dozen or so phone calls at random times without missing a single one.

I wonder what he'd do if, as happens when you have a bonfire, one of the several people coming and going that night had come over to the fire and saw a human corpse lying there?

I've had bonfires in my yard, and people are attracted to them. I've even had complete strangers come over to check it out.
 
  • #133
The actual sample was not contaminated. It was the control sample. I know people hate LE and Court officials, but imo, it is too big of a stretch to believe that actual contaminated tests would be permitted at trial.

It's not a matter of 'hating' LE (they've done alright by me, personally). It's a matter of right and wrong. Police are not above the law. They are not angels - they are human beings with passions and prejudices just like you and me. The difference is that they wield a great deal of power, which is why it is important to hold them to strict standards.

We don't know if the bullet being tested was contaminated or not, but contamination of the control sample indicates that contamination is a very real possibility.

It's not a stretch for me to consider that a court might give the state forensics lab the benefit of the doubt.

Yes, there would be at least some blood on the floor. Imo, that is what they cleaned that night and I didn't mean to infer that Teresa's blood on the cargo door was not spatter. Imo it looks like it dripped off her hair as they were putting her in the back.

The floor was cleaned up with 3 different liquids containing many different chemicals.

A small area of the floor was cleaned at some point. None of us knows what was being cleaned up beyond a reasonable doubt.

But it is my opinion that shooting a person several times would be expected to create both blood spatter in the area where the shooting took place, and backspatter on the weapon if shot at close range. If the spatter on the RAV4 is from the attack, that is testimony to the fact that there would be droplets all over the killing scene.

And if Brendan was involved, police wouldn't need to tell him she was shot in the head.
 
  • #134
My bad, I was wrong because instead of going through the reports myself, I was taking other's word for it. After reading it I am going back to my original comment. BJ doesn't put BD inside the house when she returns from the hospital at 8. She tells Blaine and Brendan she is going to ST's, but she doesn't say whether they were inside the house. The only mention about inside the house was the "whoever" was in the house at that time. Apologies to Officer Baldwin for suggesting she erred in her report when she didn't.

No, BoD didn't work the midnight shift. He left home approximately 9.30pm to start work at 10.00pm and seen two mysterious people by the fire.

Right, BD must have got the sweater story from reading Kiss the Girls? [emoji57]




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Ok wait.... so she told Brendan in person she was going to Scott's? So she must have gone over to the fire if Brendan was by the fire with Steven? Which would mean, she did know who was at the fire, because to tell Brendan in person she had to go there? I'm confused. She saw 2 people by the fire, couldn't say who they were. She told whoever was in the house she was going to Scotts. But she also told Blaine and Brendan she was going, either inside or outside the house? Bobby said he was sleeping at that time and he's such a sound sleeper that he wouldn't have heard her, he hears nothing, not even the phone ringing. So that only leaves Brendan and Blaine. Ok wait.... Blaine wasn't even home... he was trick or treating with a friend. Bryan was at his girlfriends, and Bobby was sleeping. Who the heck was in the house to tell?

Do you see where the problem with these statements are?

I have a question about these animal print handcuffs. Can you point me to where these were purchased? In Baldwins reports, she states "I informed her a receipt from the store indicating a pair of pink cuffs were purchased along with an animal print of some sort". This sentence means to me that 1 receipt said pink cuffs and an animal print of some sort. The animal print of some sort, IMO, means some sort of clothing or something. Barb tells her that she did purchase the pink cuffs and some lotion. Could the lotion have "animal" in the name and that's how it shows on the receipt? Possible. As far as I can tell, the State, or anyone else, ever said that SA's were animal print handcuffs and they did have the receipts and were able to track it down at the store as well (2 sets were purchased that day... 1 to SA, 1 to BJ) So lets go with your theory.... the cuffs were covered with some sort of animal print coating (I'm assuming that's what you mean?) and that coating is gone/missing. How did some unknown female DNA get on the cuffs then? If they knew that animal print cuffs were bought that day, why didn't that get brought into the trial? Instead they used as evidence. cuffs that had zero connection to TH because none of her DNA was found on them, instead of calling in someone with knowledge, like the store owner who they interviewed, that could say that animal print cuffs were bought and LE did not recover those. Doesn't make sense to me at all.

JMO
 
  • #135
Would one of the SA advocates please be so kind as to explain to me your theory on why SA would block his phone number when calling TH on the very day she was murdered? Did he block his number when he called others that day? TIA

After working in the corporate world for over 30 years and then as a business owner myself for 16 year from 1993-2009 before retiring... I have never heard of anyone (me included) with a legitimate business blocking their phone number from being seen.. Especially when they are calling someone about a service they specifically had requested from the person they were calling. I could possibly understand if SA was collecting an outstanding debt owed by the one he called but that was not the case here. Why do you think he asked for TH specifically that day? Had he called before asking for TH to come out?

Since this case has come up again, I have asked numerous friends who own businesses the same question, and they look at me very puzzled, but all of them said they would not do such a thing nor have they ever done so and said they have never had a reason to do so. They kept saying 'why would anyone do that?' They couldn't come up with any logical reason/explanation why a business owner wouldn't want their number seen and neither can I. So that is why I am asking any of you what you think as to the rational reason why he did this. Its just been one of things among others that has never made any sense to me.

Like I said earlier, IMO, the vast majority of jurors tend to not believe in mere coincidences especially when it come in the form of evidence entered at trial. I have been a juror on five different criminal cases including one death penalty case for double murder. I have tried to rationalize this away for awhile now but I am still unable to do so when applying logic and commonsense. I just cant chalk the call blocking up as being benign or a mere coincidence when applying rational thought processes to it. Everything SA did the very day TH was murdered has great relevance like in all cases and each piece had a purposeful intent behind it, imo. It takes thought and physical actions to hit *69 or whatever the number he used to hide who is calling and didn't he do this twice or do I have that wrong? If it happened twice that is even more relevant. JMO though

I will never forget ADA Rick Distaso's words he told the jury in his closing during the Scott Peterson trial. . "Just how many coincidences are you willing to believe and still be able to call yourselves reasonable people?"

I think about those words when I think of this case.
 
  • #136
Would one of the SA advocates please be so kind as to explain to me your theory on why SA would block his phone number when calling TH on the very day she was murdered? Did he block his number when he called others that day? TIA

After working in the corporate world for over 30 years and then as a business owner myself for 16 year from 1993-2009 before retiring... I have never heard of anyone (me included) with a legitimate business blocking their phone number from being seen.. Especially when they are calling someone about a service they specifically had requested from the person they were calling. I could possibly understand if SA was collecting an outstanding debt owed by the one he called but that was not the case here. Why do you think he asked for TH specifically that day? Had he called before asking for TH to come out?

Since this case has come up again, I have asked numerous friends who own businesses the same question, and they look at me very puzzled, but all of them said they would not do such a thing nor have they ever done so and said they have never had a reason to do so. They kept saying 'why would anyone do that?' They couldn't come up with any logical reason/explanation why a business owner wouldn't want their number seen and neither can I. So that is why I am asking any of you what you think as to the rational reason why he did this. Its just been one of things among others that has never made any sense to me.

Like I said earlier, IMO, the vast majority of jurors tend to not believe in mere coincidences especially when it come in the form of evidence entered at trial. I have been a juror on five different criminal cases including one death penalty case for double murder. I have tried to rationalize this away for awhile now but I am still unable to do so when applying logic and commonsense. I just cant chalk the call blocking up as being benign or a mere coincidence when applying rational thought processes to it. Everything SA did the very day TH was murdered has great relevance like in all cases and each piece had a purposeful intent behind it, imo. It takes thought and physical actions to hit *69 or whatever the number he used to hide who is calling and didn't he do this twice or do I have that wrong? If it happened twice that is even more relevant. JMO though

I will never forget ADA Rick Distaso's words he told the jury in his closing during the Scott Peterson trial. . "Just how many coincidences are you willing to believe and still be able to call yourselves reasonable people?"

I think about those words when I think of this case.

This has come up before. IIRC, SA was known to *67 due to the notoriety he had. Maybe he was a tad paranoid?

However, since he himself, was calling, do you assume he was attempting to hide his identity? What happens after TH answers?

Why does it seem as though any amount of, "coincidences" errors mistakes... on the part of the officials, are all just innocent little things that could happen to just anyone in LE, but that *67 call signifies devious intent?

I find it impossible to believe SA had this planned. ( easier to think he might have snapped, but I doubt it)...

This guy planned this murder, and lured TH to her doom, and he had this all carefully thought out...

And so he thinks a week, or so, before he wins a huge settlement is THE perfect day to commit his master crime? And further, he announces, like the town crier, that THIS GIRL WILL BE AT MY HOUSE THIS AFTERNOON?

Make sense of that for me if you will...

He could have waited till he had bocou bucks and called an escort for additional stealth, if he had this rape/murder planned out since he was in the joint, like some here keep professing....


I have seen it put this way, and I must agree:

"We don't have context of how often he used *67 on outgoing calls. If he habitually dialed *67, perhaps because he was in the media spotlight for the lawsuit against the county, then this instance of *67 is a lot less incriminating".
 
  • #137
Would one of the SA advocates please be so kind as to explain to me your theory on why SA would block his phone number when calling TH on the very day she was murdered? Did he block his number when he called others that day? TIA

RSBM

I don't really consider myself an SA advocate as I do a truth seeker, but I will give you my thoughts and what we know from SA's lawyer.

We only have 1 day of cell phone records from SA, the 31st of October. The cell phone was a personal cell phone and not a business phone belonging to the Salvage Yard. All the numbers called that day AFAIK were to businesses, government agencies (something to do with Jodi), Jodi's lawyer, or family members, other than the calls to TH's phone number. They were all personal phone calls, not business calls. Including the call to AutoTrader... it was to sell a personal vehicle belonging to his sister, Barb, not a vehicle owned by the Salvage Yard.

SA's lawyer, Dean Strang, has commented or it's in the transcripts somewhere (maybe pre-trial motions?) that it was to protect his privacy. We saw no proof of whether he did it often or not.... the defense didn't show that it was habit..... the State didn't show it wasn't a habit of his, so it leaves us guessing (again lol)

My theory is.... he had the number at some point, and we know this because he did call her for a hustle shot earlier that month. Maybe he saw the number (written on a piece of paper with no name/business written on it, which is in evidence), wasn't sure it was the Auto Trader girls number and used *67 in case he was calling some random person (not wanting that person to have his number). The later call @ 4:35.... maybe he knew it was her number then because of her voicemail earlier (if he listened to any part of it?) and wasn't concerned about blocking his number anymore when he called her to see if she could come take pictures of the loader that his mom mentioned. Her machine would have picked up immediately because her phone was off at that point, from his records, he must have hung up right away because it shows duration of 0 seconds. Here is what KK entered as evidence, and it's only a few calls to/from his cell phone that day.

SA cellcom records.PNG

the document can be found here (2nd page): http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...nd-362-Auto-Trader-Appt-and-Phone-Records.pdf

As for using *67.... we have used it sometimes here at home.... why? because our number is close to a local business and when I call numbers back, I'd prefer that I don't leave my number on their caller ID and them calling me back again if no one answers. I have kids, if they aren't home and a strange number calls.... I will call it back in case it's one of them that needs me. This doesn't seem to be as big of an issue nowadays though with cell phones, but 10 years ago, absolutely.

I hope this helps :)
 
  • #138
I also want to add to my last post....

If he had her number and he knew it was her number, then why didn't he just call her directly, like he had in the past, to "lure" her out there and skip the middle man by calling AutoTrader that morning? That to me needs more of an explanation than why he would use *67. JMO
 
  • #139
I also want to add to my last post....

If he had her number and he knew it was her number, then why didn't he just call her directly, like he had in the past, to "lure" her out there and skip the middle man by calling AutoTrader that morning? That to me needs more of an explanation than why he would use *67. JMO

Exactly.

His sister was selling the car and it was her name and number that the order was placed under. It was still the Avery yard address and she would have recognized it. She had said she'd be there around 2 o'clock so him phoning her when she wasn't there at 2:30 isn't weird. Why he used *67 is unclear but we don't know his habits.
 
  • #140
Sometimes I use *67 when I am calling someone multiple times so as not to appear it is me that is annoying them.

SA using *67 means absolutely nothing IMO
 
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