MANHATTAN - Active Shooter reported at 345 Park Ave.

  • #161
I have some insights as someone very familiar with the building and tenants.

Security
There is no security to enter the lobby of the building and turnstile-esque entry to the elevator banks would be easy to jump or even shoot out the glass barrier. security guards are present, both private building security and off-duty NYPD, but this is obviously not something they were prepared for. You need a keycard to enter each floor once up there, but there was not additional security personnel in place at that time of day.

Elevators
As to how he accidentally ended up on 33 instead of the NFL...there are about 4 different elevator banks each going to a different set of floors (his desired one for the NFL being the furthest from the entrance he used) and the desired floor is pressed on a keypad outside the elevator which then directs you which carriage to get in. It appears he didn't know any of this. He seemingly was in the wrong elevator bank, got in an elevator expecting to be able to push a button inside to get to the NFL's floor, but was instead sent to the 33rd floor, where the elevator was already going.
 
  • #162
Police Officer Didarul Islam represented the very best of our department. He was protecting New Yorkers from danger when his life was tragically cut short today.We join in prayer during this time of incomprehensible pain. We will forever honor his legacy.


Last night, we stood shoulder to shoulder for the dignified transfer of Police Officer Didarul Islam.A husband, a father, a son. He leaves behind a city in grief.Officer Islam died as he lived: a hero.

 
  • #163
  • #164

"Hero NFL worker Craig Clementi

warned colleagues to evacuate building

even though he'd just been shot in the back."


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This photo is insane.
A guy with a big gun walking calmly not bothered by anyone.
My boyfriend and I have been talking about this photo all morning. In a city where you can walk around wearing anything, doing anything, behaving in all sorts of ways, neither of us have seen anything that's as shocking as this here. We were discussing what we would have done if we saw someone nonchalantly walking like this and we both thought it might be some cosplay thing or a hipster with a steampunk walking stick. You can see that no one in the photo, many of whom likely saw him get out of his car with a weapon, is freaked out at all. I'll bet he would have attracted attention if it were a handgun, but I think his weapon of choice is so preposterous for the city that it didn't cause panic.
 
  • #165
My boyfriend and I have been talking about this photo all morning. In a city where you can walk around wearing anything, doing anything, behaving in all sorts of ways, neither of us have seen anything that's as shocking as this here. We were discussing what we would have done if we saw someone nonchalantly walking like this and we both thought it might be some cosplay thing or a hipster with a steampunk walking stick. You can see that no one in the photo, many of whom likely saw him get out of his car with a weapon, is freaked out at all. I'll bet he would have attracted attention if it were a handgun, but I think his weapon of choice is so preposterous for the city that it didn't cause panic.
Same.

The fact he held the gun down along his leg shows he was in control of his impulses, imo. He wasn't rushing the building brandishing the gun looking ready to use it - which would cause panic on that sidewalk, imo.

The photo of him walking toward the building is upsetting, but in "real life," I likely would be bewildered and perhaps think cosplay like you suggest. It would be just too odd to consider it real.

jmopinion
 
  • #166
That's the movie I mentioned in my post. It was about the book. I did not find it to be particularly well done. It left out so much.

Nevertheless,
it made an impact on me.
I still remember it after so many years.
It makes people aware of certain issues.
 
  • #167
Of course brain disease is not an excuse for killing and violence. People need to be held accountable for their actions; it's just too bad that more attention isn't given to brain injuries, head trauma, CTE, etc.

I won't ever forget the story about wrestler Chris (he committed suicide) Benoit (monster) murdering his wife and son. Tragic.
Kudos to CB's father for providing his son's brain to science.


After the double-murder suicide, neuroscientist and retired professional wrestler Christopher Nowinski contacted Michael Benoit, Chris's father, suggesting that years of trauma to his son's brain may have led to his actions. Tests were conducted on Benoit's brain by Julian Bailes, the head of neurosurgery at West Virginia University, and results showed that "Benoit's brain was so severely damaged it resembled the brain of an 85-year-old Alzheimer's patient."

He was reported to have had an advanced form of dementia, similar to the brains of four retired NFL players who had multiple concussions, sank into depression, and harmed themselves or others. Bailes and his colleagues concluded that repeated concussions can lead to dementia, which can contribute to severe behavioural problems. Benoit's father suggests that brain damage may have been the leading cause.

-- And this part is worth including (I know youre surprised)

Once the details of Benoit's actions became apparent, WWE made the decision to remove nearly all mentions of Chris Benoit from their website, future broadcasts, and all publications.

 
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  • #168
My boyfriend and I have been talking about this photo all morning. In a city where you can walk around wearing anything, doing anything, behaving in all sorts of ways, neither of us have seen anything that's as shocking as this here. We were discussing what we would have done if we saw someone nonchalantly walking like this and we both thought it might be some cosplay thing or a hipster with a steampunk walking stick. You can see that no one in the photo, many of whom likely saw him get out of his car with a weapon, is freaked out at all. I'll bet he would have attracted attention if it were a handgun, but I think his weapon of choice is so preposterous for the city that it didn't cause panic.

This is exactly what I was thinking and about to share here. I live in NYC, if I saw someone with a giant weapon I would assume they were a cosplayer or street performer especially in that general area.
 
  • #169
rbbm
''Tamura attended high school in Southern California, where he played football, according to his former teammates, who said they were stunned to learn he was a suspect in the shooting.
“You never would have thought violence was something you’d associate with him,” former classmate Caleb Clarke said. “Everything he said was a joke.”

''Former coach Walter Roby said Tamura was a talented running back and “a great player” who was “real elusive, real agile.”
“He came in, worked hard, kept his nose down,” Roby added. “He was a quiet kid, well-mannered, very coachable. Whatever needed to be done, he would do.”
Roby said he was shocked that Tamura was suspected of carrying out a mass shooting''.

''In a 2015 Los Angeles Times article, Tamura was mentioned by his high school football coach ahead of his senior year. His coach said Tamura, a running back, was one of the few players he was "looking for big things from."
 
  • #170
Full article at link.

Here is what we know about the victims:

Wesley LePatner​

Wesley LePatner, a Blackstone employee, wife and mom, was killed, the company said.

She was a Senior Managing Director at Blackstone who worked in the real estate division. She previously spent a decade working at Goldman Sachs.

Didarul Islam​

Off-duty NYPD officer Didarul Islam was the father of two and his wife was pregnant. She is due with their third child next month.

Aland Etienne​

32BJ SEIU President Manny Pastreich identified the third victim as dedicated security officer Aland Etienne, who "took his job duties extremely seriously," and will be remembered as a hero.

Rudin Management Employee​

The name of the fourth victim has not been released, but Rudin Management confirmed one of their employees was killed in the shooting.


According to a spokesperson, the family of the employee has requested they not identify the victim by name.

NFL employee wounded​

Commissioner Roger Goodell said in a memo to staff that an NFL employee was seriously injured in the attack and was hospitalized in stable condition.


Jul 29
 
  • #171
"The Park Avenue shooter’s high school football coach said Tuesday that he doesn’t recall Shane Tamura suffering anything more than an ankle injury during his senior year on the gridiron."

 
  • #172
Seems so similar to Mangione.
Yep and so many were outright praising Mangione and claiming they wouldn't turn him in. He has fan girls and those that think he was justified in his crime because of the health care industry. Now we have this guy with a grievance doing the same thing. I wonder of those so openly cheering on Mangione for what he did are equally okay with this crime too just because the killer might have a legit concern with a company or a policy, does not give that person a right to murder anyone. Or maybe it was okay for Mangione because he only killed one person and since many just don't like that person because he was a health care exec that they deem worthy of being murdered then it was okay, but is this one okay?

This is not how we handle things in this country.

Eventually, someone you (general you) love could be the target of someone like this who just doesn't like the job they have or the policy of a company they work for.

This isn't directed at you @Baby baby Jane I just happened to see your comment and it's been something I was thinking about.

We just have to be careful what we "support" because next time it could be someone close and not a stranger that is unlikable because of his job.
 
  • #173
Yep and so many were outright praising Mangione and claiming they wouldn't turn him in. He has fan girls and those that think he was justified in his crime because of the health care industry. Now we have this guy with a grievance doing the same thing. I wonder of those so openly cheering on Mangione for what he did are equally okay with this crime too just because the killer might have a legit concern with a company or a policy, does not give that person a right to murder anyone. Or maybe it was okay for Mangione because he only killed one person and since many just don't like that person because he was a health care exec that they deem worthy of being murdered then it was okay, but is this one okay?

This is not how we handle things in this country.

Eventually, someone you (general you) love could be the target of someone like this who just doesn't like the job they have or the policy of a company they work for.

This isn't directed at you @Baby baby Jane I just happened to see your comment and it's been something I was thinking about.

We just have to be careful what we "support" because next time it could be someone close and not a stranger that is unlikable because of his job.
I agree. I see sentiment that he is calling attention to CTE, which he may or may not even have.

The way to garner support for an issue is NOT to kill executives. That's dangerous beyond the act itself.

I'm recalling how public opinion was changed about smoking and about driving drunk - those used to be very normal things, despite the dangers. But committed groups turned public opinion by calling attention (and often getting ridiculed like MADD) and going up against entities like big tobacco companies.

Perhaps we all can finally agree that mental health is an issue we need to address as a nation. Together, with commitment.

It seems absurd to say, but social improvement is not made through murder.

jmopinion
 
  • #174
Jul 29, 2025
A former Southland football standout has been identified as the gunman who killed four people inside a Midtown Manhattan building Monday, including an off-duty police officer.The 27-year-old gunman, identified as Shane Tamura, played football while attending Granada Hills Charter school in Los Angeles County.Those who knew Tamura when he was a young athlete say they never saw any signs of any problems and that all he was focused on was football.Tamura, wearing body armor and carrying an M4 assault rifle, shot and killed four people, including an off-duty New York Police Department officer who was working security in the Midtown Manhattan office building.
 
  • #175
My boyfriend and I have been talking about this photo all morning. In a city where you can walk around wearing anything, doing anything, behaving in all sorts of ways, neither of us have seen anything that's as shocking as this here. We were discussing what we would have done if we saw someone nonchalantly walking like this and we both thought it might be some cosplay thing or a hipster with a steampunk walking stick. You can see that no one in the photo, many of whom likely saw him get out of his car with a weapon, is freaked out at all. I'll bet he would have attracted attention if it were a handgun, but I think his weapon of choice is so preposterous for the city that it didn't cause panic.

Same.

The fact he held the gun down along his leg shows he was in control of his impulses, imo. He wasn't rushing the building brandishing the gun looking ready to use it - which would cause panic on that sidewalk, imo.

The photo of him walking toward the building is upsetting, but in "real life," I likely would be bewildered and perhaps think cosplay like you suggest. It would be just too odd to consider it real.

jmopinion

Both so true, my fellow New Yorkers.

If I’d noticed him at all, I may possibly have swiveled my head to see if a movie or TV camera was following him. Maybe he had a bit part in some production.

It’s also so true, had he raised the gun menacingly while striding toward the building, everyone would have panicked.

CTE or no CTE, he had a plan and followed it to the letter, IMO. With the exception that he seemed unaware of the difference in the elevator banks.

I actually think he’d have raised some eyebrows only because he double parked where he did.
 
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  • #176
if the intended victim had been a Blackrock CEO it would really have seemed like a Mangione copycat, imo. they seem to be quite disliked and seen as the symbol of a problem in society.

i feel that in this case people might feel sorry for the perp for his mental issues, but no one will rally behind him or defend what he did.
 
  • #177
The gunman who opened fire in midtown Manhattan on Monday, killing four people before turning the gun on himself, left a note mentioning “CTE” several times, officials familiar with the investigation told NBC News.

CTE, or chronic traumatic encephalopathy, is a brain condition caused by repeated injuries to the head, typically over many years.

The shooter was targeting the headquarters of the National Football League, which is in the Park Avenue building where the shooting took place, authorities said.

While CTE can’t be formally diagnosed without an autopsy, one third of former NFL players suspect they have the disease, according to a 2024 report. The NFL first acknowledged the link between CTE and football in 2016...
 
  • #178
I recently watched a documentary on Aaron Hernandez ( professional football player) and learned about the post-mortem "definitive diagnosis". The documentary included two more football players. Although, in Hernandez case, drugs and other stuff, may have played a roll, I wonder what caused what first?
It made me think that, contact sports athletes should be somehow "medically monitored" during and after their career.

All tragic losses...

MOO JMO
Aaron Hernandez had violent tendencies in his adolescence, when he first joined the gangs. That was before he had any CTE damage.
 
  • #179
  • #180
Aaron Hernandez had violent tendencies in his adolescence, when he first joined the gangs. That was before he had any CTE damage.
He played in high-school before becoming an NFL player. Add to that, the constant beatings he endured from his father. Physical abuse can also cause CTE.
Anyways, I'm not defending him, nor anyone here. Just stating that, since CTE can only be diagnosed post-mortem, contact sports athletes should be medically monitored.

MOO JMO
 

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