Many People Believe Darlie Needs a New Trial, Discuss it Here.

[jessie harris]

I don't believe Darin had anything to do with it, she would have pointed the finger along time ago, as nobody will believe her now if she suddenly starts saying it was him, the time to do that was before she was sentenced to death,


I have only recently become aware of this case and have read extensively all the info I can find, I am not sure if I think she is innocent or guilty yet, a few problems with how she acted make me a little suspiscious

the 911 call, where she feels the need amongst all this mayhem with two dying/dead children to repeat I touched the knife, oops maybe there will be no killers fingerprints, this jarred a little with me, the knife, fingerprints etc should have been of no concern at that time,

how she ever slept through being attacked is beyond me, one stab and you would be wide awake screaming holy hell,

why she instantly did not scream at the fleeing intruder, did not start yelling for her husband that a man was in the house, she only yells when she sees blood

the need to wet the towels, staunching the blood may have been as effective with dry towels

the ability to switch from hysterical "oh my gods" to rationally stating info on 911 call,
there are other things that appear to make her look guilty

But I have problems with extent of her injuries, horrible to self inflict, and not making sure both boys were dead before she starts screaming,

I will continue to investigate, I went to the website that is campaigning for her innocence and stumbled upon crime scene photos of one of the boys, there should be a warning about the graphic nature as it was something I never wish to see.

 

[mollymalone]

Personally, I'd like to see a live demonstration from the supporters.
The house gets broken into (they can't decide WHY), but Darlie is supposedly the intended victim.
SNIP.
However, they leave the house BEFORE they're able to do what they came there for (to kill Darlie)

That's the biggie. If the target was Darlie, she'd have been dead. Why kill two small boys first? You know they aren't capable of keeping you from killing their mother. You then leave the house NOT having killed the intended target. Doesn't jive with common sense.

 

[cami]

I will continue to investigate, I went to the website that is campaigning for her innocence and stumbled upon crime scene photos of one of the boys, there should be a warning about the graphic nature as it was something I never wish to see.

That's very true however for me I had to look. I had to try and understand why a stranger would inflict such damage on two tiny boys. What motive would a stranger have to murder those boys.

I too agree with you on the 911 call. At first it really shook me, but after a few listens, I got it, now I hear guilt all over that call.

 

[RobertStJames]

That's the biggie. If the target was Darlie, she'd have been dead..

Why do people keep repeating this as if it's some kind of law of physics? Every year, every *day* there are people who are attacked by someone trying to kill them, but manage to survive. What's so strange about a target surviving? It happens all the time.

And they usually have exactly the same kind of forearm/hand wounds that Darlie Routier showed.


RstJ

 

[Mary456]

Why do people keep repeating this as if it's some kind of law of physics? Every year, every *day* there are people who are attacked by someone trying to kill them, but manage to survive. What's so strange about a target surviving? It happens all the time.

And they usually have exactly the same kind of forearm/hand wounds that Darlie Routier showed.


RstJ

Are you referring to the tiny "paper cuts" that were already scabbed over when she entered the hospital? I wish Camilla were still around...she posted photos of actual defensive wounds on the hands of someone attacked by a knife. Ripped to shreds, not a pretty sight.

 

[Goody]

I don't see a clear motive. I see blind rage. I think it was the entirety of all of their problems piling up, Darin's seemingly inability (or refusal) to cater to her temper tantrums any longer and a slow growing anger/rage that just went out of control. Maybe fueled by the diet pills. Maybe fueled by depression of some sort.

I think the lack of a clear motive is the key here. I don't see a blind rage. I think if that was the case, the kids would have been stabbed many, many more times. 4 or 5 wounds is not a lot if rage was in the mix.

 

[dasgal]

And they usually have exactly the same kind of forearm/hand wounds that Darlie Routier showed.


RstJ

Absolutely WRONG. (And I have seen a number of defensive wounds in persons who have lived, as have who have died).
I think a little research into what defense knife wounds like would do you a LOT of good.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Absolutely WRONG. (And I have seen a number of defensive wounds in persons who have lived, as have who have died).
I think a little research into what defense knife wounds like would do you a LOT of good.

I gave the link of the wounds Colette McDonald received trying to save her life and the lives of her two children (which is EXACTLY what they say Darlie did), and it didn't seem to sink in.

 

[Rachael]

If someone was trying to kill my children I think I would lay my body over theirs. If someone was trying to stab me I think I would probably put my palms/hands up to try to keep the knife from hitting my body.

 

[dasgal]

http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/FORHTML/FOR026.html (WARNING-GRAPHIC)

Please explain to me Robert how Darlie has anything in common with ACTUAL Knife Attack Defense Wounds.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

If someone was trying to kill my children I think I would lay my body over theirs. If someone was trying to stab me I think I would probably put my palms/hands up to try to keep the knife from hitting my body.

EXACTLY! Or, you would grab for the knife. Darlie's so-called defense wounds on her hand looked less deadly than a paper cut that my daughter got in art class last week.

 

[mollymalone]

I think the lack of a clear motive is the key here. I don't see a blind rage. I think if that was the case, the kids would have been stabbed many, many more times. 4 or 5 wounds is not a lot if rage was in the mix.

The depth of the wounds and the intensity in which they were inflicted is where the rage may have come in to it. But I don't see it as "blind" rage, just rage of some sort.

 

[mollymalone]

Why do people keep repeating this as if it's some kind of law of physics? Every year, every *day* there are people who are attacked by someone trying to kill them, but manage to survive. What's so strange about a target surviving? It happens all the time.

And they usually have exactly the same kind of forearm/hand wounds that Darlie Routier showed.


RstJ

I say it simply because the children were killed, and the depth of several wounds on them were enough to do the killing. IF the perp was going to kill Darlie, had targeted Darlie, her wounds would not have been the kind she received. If that person was intent on inflicting killing wounds on her, she'd have been stabbed a lot deeper than she was and quite possibly more than she was. If she'd been the target, the perp may have stuck around to make sure of the job, not kill the kids first, if at all. IMO

Yes, there are those who survive, with deep wounds. Darlie's weren't.

 

[Goody]

Why do people keep repeating this as if it's some kind of law of physics? Every year, every *day* there are people who are attacked by someone trying to kill them, but manage to survive. What's so strange about a target surviving? It happens all the time.

And they usually have exactly the same kind of forearm/hand wounds that Darlie Routier showed.


RstJ

The FBI says that when they investigate a crime scene, they can determine who the target of the attack was by the number and depth of injuries. In this case, that is the boys. Their wounds are more numerous than Darlie's and their wounds are much deeper, better placed strategically. So there is no doubt that the boys were the target. Darlie was secondary at best.

You are right that people do survive attacks. I am always amazed when some woman appears on Oprah after being stabbed 17 times and left for dead. If Darlie's wounds had been similar to the boys and she survived, she probably would not be in prison right now.

And that is another thing unique in Darlie's case....the attacker changed the direction and style of attack, using deep plunging wounds on the boys and more superficial slashing type wounds on Darlie. Experienced investigators agree that killers do not do this. They typically use one type or the other, but rarely ever both, esp in the same crime scene.

 

[Goody]

And they usually have exactly the same kind of forearm/hand wounds that Darlie Routier showed.


RstJ

I saw an expose on a woman who was stabbed to death in a rest area restroom and her hands had knife wounds that went all the way through them as she tried to block the stabbings. Into the palm and out the back of her hand and vice versa.

A couple of little cuts that barely even bled (as Darlie had) are more in line with a hand slipping off the handle and onto the blade as they are doing the stabbing. As I recall, the little cuts were lined right up with the joints in the fingers. No evidence at all of typical defense wounds.

 

[Goody]

The depth of the wounds and the intensity in which they were inflicted is where the rage may have come in to it. But I don't see it as "blind" rage, just rage of some sort.

I don't know. I see the attack on the boys as being more methodical and well targeted than I do rage-like.

 

[speedlimitmama]

I am sorry to say it but I don't believe for a split second that someone just walked in off the street and decided to kill those boys. The mother killed them and the father may have helped to cover it up. It seems to me that Darlie was more important to Darin than the boys were. If my husband had any thought that I killed my children he would kill me. If Darin killed the boys and tried to kill Darlie she would have said it immediatly. She isn't spending her life in jail covering for her husband. She's way too selfish for that IMO.

Just some thought here. What if husband had it done or did it, and darlie did not know nor would she ever think he was behind it. They were a sleep. darlie throat was cut and she had terrible bruises, I would imagine she went into shock, of course later darin had to stand up for darlie for fear it might turn into his direction. Maybe darlie might have doubts now but what if darlie really does not know who it was??? thoughts anyone??? :doh:

 

[Goody]

Just some thought here. What if husband had it done or did it, and darlie did not know nor would she ever think he was behind it. They were a sleep. darlie throat was cut and she had terrible bruises, I would imagine she went into shock, of course later darin had to stand up for darlie for fear it might turn into his direction. Maybe darlie might have doubts now but what if darlie really does not know who it was??? thoughts anyone??? :doh:

Not possible. If Darin did it and Darlie is telling the truth, she would have seen him walking away. I think it is unlikely that she wouldn't have recognized him. But even if you are willing to give her that benefit, how did he get back upstairs to come down zipping up his pants when she screamed for him? He isn't spiderman and all of the entrances to the house were right there at the family room.

 

[cami]

I gave the link of the wounds Colette McDonald received trying to save her life and the lives of her two children (which is EXACTLY what they say Darlie did), and it didn't seem to sink in.

the baby's fingers were cut badly one of them sliced wide open as she tried to fend off that knife her father was attacking her with.

 

[beesy]

I will continue to investigate, I went to the website that is campaigning for her innocence and stumbled upon crime scene photos of one of the boys, there should be a warning about the graphic nature as it was something I never wish to see.

[/QUOTE] there is a graphic warning if you are refering to the pix on the justicefordarlie site.