Mark Sievers Livestream Trial Thread - Days 1 - 4

[Oregonmama]

Cathy Russon‏ @cathyrusson 3m3 minutes ago
#SieversTrial - Lunch break until 1:15 p.m.

 

[TDoc72]

During back to school time, you can find 1 subject notebooks for 10 cents!! Stock up, Florida!

I always thought they destroyed/shredded them too. I know I’ve heard judges tell the jury that.

 

[Oregonmama]

I am really disappointed with the State today. So much time to prepare and to me its a sloppy execution. JMO

 

[Scalex]

JRR trial was 15 days of trial, 6 days of jury selection, 9 days of witnesses. 1 extra day to deliberate.

MS so far we have 6 days of jury selection, on day 2 of witnesses.

Any guesses on how many more witness days? 7? 10?

 

[Oregonmama]

JRR trial was 15 days of trial, 6 days of jury selection, 9 days of witnesses. 1 extra day to deliberate.

MS so far we have 6 days of jury selection, on day 2 of witnesses.

Any guesses on how many more witness days? 7? 10?

They have close to 60 witnesses. Some might move quickly and others will not... Going to be long haul... And CWW will be on the stand for more than a day, jmo

 

[kaen]

I am really disappointed with the State today. So much time to prepare and to me its a sloppy execution. JMO

I feel the same. In the JRR trial, I thought, "Okay, this is their first run." But, I am feeling very frustrated with the way they are coming off. They need to take some Livesay classes.

 

[Scalex]

They have close to 60 witnesses. Some might move quickly and others will not... Going to be long haul... And CWW will be on the stand for more than a day, jmo

I’m thinking we are looking at 14 days possibly, putting us at deliberation somewhere around Dec 13-20.

 

[Scalex]

I feel the same. In the JRR trial, I thought, "Okay, this is their first run." But, I am feeling very frustrated with the way they are coming off. They need to take some Livesay classes.

So far I was more impressed with their work in JRR.

 

[Oregonmama]

I am still trying to figure out their witness appearance list. I have the feeling that CWW will be last to testify....

 

[debbiegarcia36]

We always heard 4.3 million and that's why his bail was also set at 4.3 million. I'm wondering if they found another policy so the total is 5? I sure wouldn't put that past him.
He makes me want to puke seeing him and what is up with the constant writing? What the what?

Very strange how MS quickly looks up (like a hen) then lowers his head very close to the paper and with his pen makes single strokes on his paper then quickly looks up again. It looks like he is doodling. So weird!

 

[dog.gone.cute]

They have close to 60 witnesses. Some might move quickly and others will not... Going to be long haul...
And CWW will be on the stand for more than a day, jmo

BBM: I can't wait to see CWW on the stand ... and MS's reaction

 

[Oregonmama]

BBM: I can't wait to see CWW on the stand ... and MS's reaction

That will be a mouthful of an appearance. They had so much going on with each other. UGH

 

[msboo]

This is what gets me nervous. There is no wiggle room in this case to make mistakes! JMO

Agree. Nothing’s ever perfect BUT THIS TRIAL is a BIG deal! At times it makes me unsure the state’s on top of this and look how long they’ve had to prepare. Then again, LOOK what just occurred with jurors notepads! Sloppy, just sayin.
Hey Everyone.... check your memory on the following. I think it had to do with a filing for officially putting the Death Penalty on the table for this trial, was way back in maybe 2016 (?). A hiccup occurred when the state FILLED a bit LATE for the DP and Hamid Hunter’s signature was on the document. Regardless, it was worked out and could be Hunter filed after finding some else in his office had not done so. Who knows as much must be delegated but this made me very nervous at that time.
Anyone remember that?

 

[Marysmith]

BBM: Notebooks cost what - about a $1 ? This could have cost the state thousands of $$$$$$$ !

Question: Does anyone know what the normal procedure is for destroying jurors' notebooks when a trial is concluded?

I thought the state destroyed and/or shredded notebooks.

Even if there was no writing you could possibly see imprints of writing...

 

[Oregonmama]

Agree. Nothing’s ever perfect BUT THIS TRIAL is a BIG deal! At times it makes me unsure the state’s on top of this and look how long they’ve had to prepare. Then again, LOOK what just occurred with jurors notepads! Sloppy, just sayin.
Hey Everyone.... check your memory on the following. I think it had to do with a filing for officially putting the Death Penalty on the table for this trial, was way back in maybe 2016 (?). A hiccup occurred when the state FILLED a bit LATE for the DP and Hamid Hunter’s signature was on the document. Regardless, it was worked out and could be Hunter filed after finding some else in his office had not done so. Who knows as much must be delegated but this made me very nervous at that time.
Anyone remember that?

I understand they have other cases as well BUT this case needs clear execution...JMO

re the juror notebooks, whoever is responsible, maybe a court clerk, made a mistake. It happens but it is a huge human error mistake!

 

[Oregonmama]

I will add this... Mark and his team will not forget this mistake (juror notebooks) and will use that to their advantage when they appeal at the end of the trial.

 

[Oregonmama]

Jake Allen‏Verified account @Jake_Allen19 1h1 hour ago


The state has one more witness lined up for the day. This witness is expected to take the rest of the day, ASA Hunter said.

 

[Hatfield]

I will add this... Mark and his team will not forget this mistake (juror notebooks) and will use that to their advantage when they appeal at the end of the trial.

IMO
To prevent a future appeal consideration, I wish the judge's remedy would have been to remove the juror and use one of the alternates. I dont know why that wasn't used as a remedy. It seems risky to allow that juror to remain on the case because nobody will be able to prove one way or the other whether that juror had read any of those other notes on the notepad.

He is probably telling the truth that he didnt read any of them but it doesnt matter what we believe or what the judge believes about him because it will be up to an appeals court to make that decision if this is brought up on appeal by the defense.

ETA - That juror is an alternate anyway so removing him seems like a safer approach so long as they assigned enough alternates. Ive always been a big fan of having enough alternates in high profile cases for reasons just like this.

For those that are not aware, the alternates are tasked with listening to the witnesses and functioning just like a juror in case they are called to be part of the actual jury of 12. I believe they sit close to the jury and basically are functioning like a jury member in case they are needed. Sometimes health issues or other things do come up where one of the 12 is not able to continue. Then the alternate can be plugged right into the jury. If it happens during deliberations then my understanding is the jury has to start deliberations over with the new alternate joining them. If it happens during the trial witnesses then no time is missed because they have heard all the witnesses too.

Notes found in jurors note pad in Sievers Trial

 

[Oregonmama]

IMO
To prevent a future appeal consideration, I wish the judge's remedy would have been to remove the juror and use one of the alternates. I dont know why that wasn't used as a remedy. It seems risky to allow that juror to remain on the case because nobody will be able to prove one way or the other whether that juror had read any of those other notes on the notepad.

He is probably telling the truth that he didnt read any of them but it doesnt matter what we believe or what the judge believes about him because it will be up to an appeals court to make that decision if this is brought up on appeal by the defense.

I think, jmo, the judge is saving the alts for further in. They only have 2 and forming this jury was hard and they used all the last ppl in the panel to make the jury...

 

[Oregonmama]

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