Mark Smich: Innocent Dupe? Alternative Theories

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rsbm

An interest in stones maybe. Maybe the flatbed truck needed replacing.



https://storify.com/justinjourno/spectator-a-fistful-of-tweets-on-the-tim-bosma-inv.html

An unconfirmed sighting, supposedly by a neighbour, of a flatbed truck full of stones being removed from MS's house when there is no such truck in any pics of the house when LE are there is questionable. His mother was probably having a load of stones dropped off from a local landscaping company who were told "ummm...now's a bad time". ;)

MOO
 
Parts? Parts to use, parts to sell. MS doesn't have a shop like DM does, either.

Yes!! You can steal a truck for parts! Good thinking. I would think it's especially handy if you have a similar vehicle that you can use the parts on. :dunno:

MOO
 
So DM wears a long sleeved shirt but exposes his arms enough for a witness to notice that he has SEVERAL tattoos on his arms.

Was there not description claiming DM was wearing a short sleeve orange shirt during the test drive May 5th? I believe there was much debate over that IIRC.
 
Well even if we were to consider that MS decided that he needed a vehicle to get around and it was time for him to steal one, the fact that he specifically wanted the largest pick up available with a specific diesel engine, the only one that could tow a trailer the size of DM's especially when it's loaded down with another vehicle inside, and it happened to be the same type that DM owned specifically for towing that trailer is a major coincidence. Not to mention even DM didn't appear to drive his on a regular basis and likely only used it to haul or tow heavy items because it's not a practical vehicle for every day driving unless you have no choice because you need such a large vehicle and can't afford to own two.

It's also coincidental when you factor in that the Baja race was coming up within weeks and DM himself contacted all three people to arrange for test drives on a burner phone. And DM himself did the talking and driving on two of the test drives that took place.

Did I miss somewhere that MS is mute and cannot make phone calls to arrange for his own test drives? Did he not have a cell phone of his own? Does his mother not have a home phone? Was he starting a moving business? Or a business where he'd be towing a heavy trailer? Maybe he was going to steal a large camper too and just go live on the road with his stolen home on wheels?

Was DM's regular cell phone in the shop? Is DM some kind of truck guru that people call on for his expertise in Dodge Ram trucks even though he apparently employs a mechanic to work on his own vehicles? Is he such a good friend to MS that he would spend hours driving to pick him up in Oakville and drive him back to Etobicoke for one test drive then do the same for the other test drive in Ancaster. I'm getting vague opinions on how these two even knew each other and now I'm hearing DM is such a great friend of his that he let him move in with him and he gave up hours of his time two days in a row to help him "buy" a truck that he didn't even question how he was going to pay for?

It takes a lot of mind bending to see this from the point of view that it was MS who wanted the truck IMO.

MOO

BBM - Seems too coincidental doesn't it? ;) DM's mechanic SS I'm sure was able to shed light to LE on the condition of DM's Dodge and whether it needed new parts prior to TB's murder. Seems DM learn from his father to be frugal but DM was carrying it out in an illegal way. Some frugal people would rather take something which is free rather then spend their money to purchase it. Not saying WM was a thief, but allegedly his son was. A $35k HD and its' trailer sitting in your hangar doesn't look good. :notgood: JMO.

Speaking of MS, has there been any indication he was into working on, or having an interest in working on vehicles? DM ran with two different groups/circles and I assume MS wasn't in that particular group who liked working on vehicles.

DM knew his mechanic or anyone else in that group were not the type of guys who would help him steal a truck, therefore he found his duped partner in crime in MS. MS thought DM was serious about purchasing a Dodge truck and went along at least twice on test drives, thinking his buddy would appreciate his input/feedback on his new ride. DM had other plans; to frame MS IF they got caught. DM knew MS already had a rap sheet with LE and he didn't. MS made the gore video which made him appear to have an interest in slicing and dicing people. DM thought that would be enough to persuade LE he wasn't involved and/or not the murderer. OR another scenario; DM had told MS they were going to abandon the truck's owner on the side of the road, just stealing his truck. DM decided to murder TB and I believe DM shot him with the gun LE believe was the gun used in the murder of WM. I also think LB was shot with the same gun, this being the connection LE spoke of. The gun and DM.

It would be of great interest to find out how many times DM had brushes with the law but was able to weasel his way out of charges. DM thought he was intelligent enough to carry out this crime and have time to obliterate all evidence, just as he had done with WM and LB's murders. Thankfully he was a stupid criminal/murderer and LE caught up with him. To think there could have been more murders committed had DM not been arrested...I do believe it was highly likely but that's JMHO. ALL MOO.

The MCM system was created after the 1995 Paul Bernardo trial and, according to the Ministry of Community Safety and Correctional Services website, it is “especially useful in helping police identify common links in crimes committed in different locations — crimes that might have been committed by the same person.”

While Chamberland would not say what the investigative link is between these three cases, it seems clear: Millard.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...s_to_dellen_millard_added_to_joint_probe.html
 
"DM decided to murder TB and I believe DM shot him with the gun LE believe was the gun used in the murder of WM. I also think LB was shot with the same gun, this being the connection LE spoke of. The gun and DM."

IMO...This seems very feasible Swedie.
 
Well even if we were to consider that MS decided that he needed a vehicle to get around and it was time for him to steal one, the fact that he specifically wanted the largest pick up available with a specific diesel engine, the only one that could tow a trailer the size of DM's especially when it's loaded down with another vehicle inside, and it happened to be the same type that DM owned specifically for towing that trailer is a major coincidence. Not to mention even DM didn't appear to drive his on a regular basis and likely only used it to haul or tow heavy items because it's not a practical vehicle for every day driving unless you have no choice because you need such a large vehicle and can't afford to own two.

TB's truck had a diesel engine. DM's did not. If he wanted it for parts, he would have not chosen one with a diesel engine. I'm sure there are other trucks capable of towing a trailer. How do you know he didn't use it regularly? Just because he wasn't in it when he was arrested? There's been lots of talk about a grocery store trip that it was used for. Ram trucks are very popular in Ontario. It's hard to go anywhere without seeing at least one.

It's also coincidental when you factor in that the Baja race was coming up within weeks and DM himself contacted all three people to arrange for test drives on a burner phone. And DM himself did the talking and driving on two of the test drives that took place.

There has been nothing to indicate that DM was planning on entering the next Baja race. I know it's been often referred to as DM's burner phone, but LE specifically said the burner phone was purchased by "one of the accused". If they have since found out which one purchased it, it has not been announced. How can anyone know who specifically made the phone calls and did the talking? Did the other test drive guy recognize his voice?

Is he such a good friend to MS that he would spend hours driving to pick him up in Oakville and drive him back to Etobicoke for one test drive then do the same for the other test drive in Ancaster. I'm getting vague opinions on how these two even knew each other and now I'm hearing DM is such a great friend of his that he let him move in with him and he gave up hours of his time two days in a row to help him "buy" a truck that he didn't even question how he was going to pay for?

If DM bought expensive toys and trips for his friends, I don't see why it would be a stretch for him to drive a friend around to look at vehicles. According to ABro, he was a good enough friend to let him move in. According to Facebook pictures, others who worked in the hangar also knew him. How they all knew each other is anyone's guess.

JMO
 
So what do they steal them for? :waitasec:

Top four reasons are:

1. To sell abroad: Stolen vehicles are often immediately packed – with their vehicle identification numbers (VINs) still intact – and shipped abroad, where they are sold for many times their original market value.
2. To sell to unsuspecting consumers: Stolen vehicles may be given a false VIN and then sold to unsuspecting consumers. They can also be dismantled and sold for parts.
3. To get somewhere: This may be referred to as “joyriding.” Auto theft of any kind is a crime and innocent people may get hurt or killed as a result.
4. To commit another crime: Stolen vehicles used to commit other crimes are often recovered – abandoned and badly damaged – within 48 hours of their theft.

http://www.ibc.ca/on/auto/theft/top-ten-stolen-cars
 
An unconfirmed sighting, supposedly by a neighbour, of a flatbed truck full of stones being removed from MS's house when there is no such truck in any pics of the house when LE are there is questionable. His mother was probably having a load of stones dropped off from a local landscaping company who were told "ummm...now's a bad time". ;)

MOO

Yes, unconfirmed. Like almost everything else that's being discussed. If it was a delivery with bad timing, I wonder why it would have been removed, instead of just driven away.
 
Was there not description claiming DM was wearing a short sleeve orange shirt during the test drive May 5th? I believe there was much debate over that IIRC.

There was much debate about the sleeves, but no description was given in MSM of what anyone was wearing on the first test drive.
 
rsbm

BBM - DM's mechanic SS I'm sure was able to shed light to LE on the condition of DM's Dodge and whether it needed new parts prior to TB's murder. Seems DM learn from his father to be frugal but DM was carrying it out in an illegal way. Some frugal people would rather take something which is free rather then spend their money to purchase it. Not saying WM was a thief, but allegedly his son was. A $35k HD and its' trailer sitting in your hangar doesn't look good. :notgood: JMO.

What parts would it need? It wasn't a diesel engine and if DM wanted to convert his truck, he already had a more compatible rebuilt one on hand that was later sold in the Kijiji ads. He didn't steal the condo so I guess he only steals the cheap stuff.

Speaking of MS, has there been any indication he was into working on, or having an interest in working on vehicles? DM ran with two different groups/circles and I assume MS wasn't in that particular group who liked working on vehicles.

MS thought DM was serious about purchasing a Dodge truck and went along at least twice on test drives, thinking his buddy would appreciate his input/feedback on his new ride.

If MS had no interest in vehicles, why would he assume that DM would appreciate his input?

DM decided to murder TB and I believe DM shot him with the gun LE believe was the gun used in the murder of WM. I also think LB was shot with the same gun, this being the connection LE spoke of.

Except that, if they haven't found LB's body, they would have no way of proving how she died.

What a shame that LE didn't check to see if the gun was stolen and, at the very least, take it away when WM was killed. TB could still be alive today.

JMO
 
When Smich was arrested for the graffiti (Oct 1, 2012) , was he living with DM? Was he under probation? Did DM help him in any capacity during this time?

http://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/2904155-adults-arrested-for-overpass-graffiti/

He was living with DM for "several weeks" prior to WM's death. It's been suggested by someone that perhaps the graffiti charge was the reason he moved in due to the timing.

As for the graffiti charge, all we know is that MS was with his other friend - the one that viciously assaults someone to steal their cell phone. Was MS the third person that was present for that theft?

http://images.halinet.on.ca/OakvilleImages/Images/OI002474502pf_0003.pdf
 
One veteran Toronto homicide investigator said the murder has the hallmarks of a carjacking that spiralled out of control, with killers scrambling to cover up the crime.

“This really smacks of a disorganized event, almost panic,” said Mark Mendelson, a retired homicide investigator with more than a dozen years experience. “The next thing you know, they’re left with this body.”

Police have already made several crucial discoveries: Bosma’s cellphone at an industrial complex in Brantford; his 2007 Dodge Ram pickup inside a trailer registered to Dellen Millard — the 27-year-old man charged with Bosma’s death and the only suspect in custody — at his mother’s home in Kleinburg; and Bosma’s charred body in Waterloo where police are searching an airport hangar and farm property owned by Millard.
“Police have a really good body of evidence to work with,” Mendelson said.

He said officers are likely going through cellphone records of potential suspects and downloading GPS co-ordinates from their phones to determine their locations at the time of the killing.

They would also be searching computers for email clues, he said, and looking for any video footage captured at gas stations, drive-throughs and along Highway 407 to help nail down the movements of suspects.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...pears_in_court_tearful_wife_gives_thanks.html
 
rsbm



What parts would it need? It wasn't a diesel engine and if DM wanted to convert his truck, he already had a more compatible rebuilt one on hand that was later sold in the Kijiji ads. He didn't steal the condo so I guess he only steals the cheap stuff.





If MS had no interest in vehicles, why would he assume that DM would appreciate his input?



Except that, if they haven't found LB's body, they would have no way of proving how she died.

What a shame that LE didn't check to see if the gun was stolen and, at the very least, take it away when WM was killed. TB could still be alive today.

JMO

BBM - Link please and TIA. If the money he used to pay for the condo(s) was from proceeds of crime, yes then basically he did obtained the condo(s) illegally IMO.

So are you saying MS had no interest in vehicles? I did ask because I haven't seen information suggesting he was. MS may not have been interested in chopping them, but helping to steal :dunno:

We all know chop shops can and do transport stolen vehicles and parts to other countries. Mexico is a favoured country to do so. Did DM have plans to swap out the VIN from TB's truck and take it across the border in the trailer to sell in Mexico? Had he made friends/connections with someone in Mexico during the Baja the previous year there? Did his plan fail because MSM reported the borders had been flagged? MOO.

UBM - Seriously? So you don't believe DM couldn't and wouldn't have gotten another gun? He obviously had the connections to do so. I think we are speaking of someone who is suggested to be intelligent. I haven't read anything to prove otherwise, have you? His jail letters don't reflect that. It will be interesting to find out what type of gun was used. An antique? Is that why LE didn't take the gun? Did DM lie claiming it had sentimental value, it had been passed down through the generations? We all recall that article where DM claimed to be a direct descendant of Chief Joseph Brant. MOO.

The truck has been flagged for border officials and police agencies across the province, but has not yet been spotted. Bosma’s credit cards, too, have been flagged, but have not been used since his disappearance, Kavanagh said.

http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario...is_return_after_test_drive_disappearance.html

Notice Selling Antique Firearms. The law would be different if someone was selling them for proceeds of crime. Did LE find other illegal guns in DM's house or hangar purchased through MWJ after TB's murder? TWT and All JMO.

Licensing and Registration Requirements

Individuals who own only antique firearms do not need a firearms licence, nor do they need to register any of their antique firearms.

Selling Antique Firearms

There are no restrictions on selling, buying, bartering or giving away antique firearms.


http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/antique-historique-eng.htm

Millard also told Seaman that he was "a direct descendant of Chief Joseph Brant," the Mohawk leader who aided the British forces during the American Revolution in the mid-1700s.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/who-is-dellen-millard-charged-in-tim-bosma-killing-2-others-1.2605821
 
Was there not description claiming DM was wearing a short sleeve orange shirt during the test drive May 5th? I believe there was much debate over that IIRC.
Swedie, the "short sleeved shirt" was provided by Kavanagh at the May 10/13 presser. It's at 4:56 [video]https://youtu.be/-QQvNrsjgBk[/video]
 
Since I seem to be glued to youtube, there's also this video showing the trailer being towed away from MB's place. There's been so much speculation etc, that it's kind of refreshing to go back to the early reports. Now, IMHO, that's not your everyday trailer. It's a very large trailer as compared to the other vehicles in the vicinity and would have definitely taken some skill and experience to back into MB's driveway. I seriously doubt that MS would have ever have garnered enough experience at handling a trailer, let alone one this size- without some heavy duty experience, he'd being trying to park it for an hour. Further, I am thinking that parking something this big was a 2 person job. MOO
[video]https://youtu.be/nva7JKUwt68[/video]
 
Ms Sherlock, are you thinking someone was outside helping the driver out? This happened at night so it might have been difficult for the person who noticed the trailer to notice if there was another person on the lawn signalling the driver to stop. JMO

Do we know if MB was home at the time? Was it the red truck that the trailer was hitched up to?
 
Ms Sherlock, are you thinking someone was outside helping the driver out? This happened at night so it might have been difficult for the person who noticed the trailer to notice if there was another person on the lawn signalling the driver to stop. JMO

Do we know if MB was home at the time? Was it the red truck that the trailer was hitched up to?
Mr. Cianfarani said he had not seen Ms Burns in the home since Wednesday.

Although no one answered the door, there was a set of golf clubs at the front door.
http://www.yorkregion.com/news-stor...rs-shocked-by-discovery-of-tim-bosma-s-truck/

IMO, a trailer this size would need either #1 : someone very familiar with the parking space or #2: a spotter, so IMHO, it's either one or the other. The trailer is also a 5th wheel and that would require a truck fitted for 5th wheelers. For some reason, I had assumed it was an ordinary trailer that just required a tow hitch, but it isn't. Back to MS...seriously doubt that he was the driver of the truck that took it there. MOO
 
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