Max's back injuries

[*Lash*]

I could be wrong, but I thought somewhere in a Dina interview or article where she was quoted (or two), Dina gave a hint that none of this was in any formal agreement (or perhaps it was that she said she WAS going to ask for that - which doesn't mean she would get it court ordered). I'm not sure what the Zahau family or Bremner have verified, if anything, regarding Rebecca ever being told or Jonah being told that these conditions formally existed or even existed at all? And, of course, I do not think anyone else, like Jonah, have ever said these were agreed upon. Someone help me out here...

BBM - and just a side note, the article in Phoenix Magazine has been updated and revised. I recommend reading the article again.

From the article "Boy, Interrupted" -

Snip - In lieu of a costly and lengthy court battle, which Dina says could have bankrupted her, she and Jonah agreed on a set of ground rules regarding Max and Rebecca. According to Dina, Rebecca was not allowed to cross state lines alone with Max or take him to an airport. She was not to watch him alone when other members of the Zahau family were present. And she would not go to functions at Phoenix Country Day School, where Max attended kindergarten. The rules gave Dina some peace of mind – an indemnity against her worst parental fears. By the time the family convened in Coronado for Max’s 6th birthday on June 7, 2011, the tension between Dina and Rebecca had subsided. Rebecca even invited Dina and her sister, Nina, out for coffee after the party. Dina, whose mother was ailing, had to decline, but she thought it was a nice gesture.

http://www.phoenixmag.com/lifestyle/valley-news/201208/boy--interrupted-full-version/2/

 

[Betty P]

Dina and her lawyer did not accuse Rebecca of murder, but of a possible homicide, which is very different. Homicide can mean unintentional involvement. I do not think that the Zahaus would have any grounds for a lawsuit.

On the other hand, I think that Jonah Shacknai has had every reason to charge the Zahaus with defamation of character. Considering how much money he has and how much his family has been raked through the coals while in mourning for Max (and Rebecca in Jonah's case), I think the fact that he has not done that shows just what a decent man he really is.

JMO.

The only problem with that is Rebecca's family has never made any accusations against Jonah, or any specific individual for that matter. OTOH, Dina has been very specific in her accusations against the deceased RZ.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

The only problem with that is Rebecca's family has never made any accusations against Jonah, or any specific individual for that matter. OTOH, Dina has been very specific in her accusations against the deceased RZ.

But since Rebecca committed suicide at a time when detectives and CPS were wanting to question her further about Max's accident, the Zahaus would have a very difficult time proving it was defamation, IMO.

 

[*Lash*]

In my opinion, whether the Zahau's can prove defamation has nothing to do with the fact the Zahau's have not accused any particular person of being involved in Rebecca's murder.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

But they, and Bremner, have made oh so many insinuations!

 

[inthedark14]

But they, and Bremner, have made oh so many insinuations!

But they have not directly called out anyone by name, have they? DS is all over the media pointing a finger directly at RZ and possibly her sister. There is a huge difference there.

Always MOO

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

But they have not directly called out anyone by name, have they? DS is all over the media pointing a finger directly at RZ and possibly her sister. There is a huge difference there.

Always MOO

But they have insinuated plenty. And Doug said directly that "Dina knows something".

Since Rebecca and her sister were the only ones home that morning, they are the only "suspects".

JMO

 

[screecher]

CPD deemed Maxie's death as a result of a tragic accident.

RZ is/has not been named as "suspect". Nor her minor sister. You are mistaken.

Period.

 

[freespeech]

Dina and her lawyer did not accuse Rebecca of murder, but of a possible homicide, which is very different. Homicide can mean unintentional involvement. I do not think that the Zahaus would have any grounds for a lawsuit.

On the other hand, I think that Jonah Shacknai has had every reason to charge the Zahaus with defamation of character. Considering how much money he has and how much his family has been raked through the coals while in mourning for Max (and Rebecca in Jonah's case), I think the fact that he has not done that shows just what a decent man he really is.

JMO.

The Zahau's are being decent as well.

They do not believe SDSO's ruling and I do not blame them given Gore's track record with Ruby Ridge, 911, and other prominent and unsavory situations recently published.

They are rightfully pursing answers to their questions regarding Rebecca's death. It is not their fault that Max was injured in an accident. They should not be shamed into keeping their mouth shut about their sister's murder for that reason.

Their investigation into their sister's death is not grounds for Jonah to sue them because he is grieving. Just like the Zahau's can't sue Dina for questioning Max's death because they are grieving.

However, if Dina gets money from Jonah in a civil settlement for wrongful death and Dina blames Rebecca then the Zahaus can go after her money for defamation of character and causing them pain and suffering as they mourned their sister's murder. Jmoo.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

I should have clarified. They are Dina's only "suspects".

JMO

 

[freespeech]

But they have insinuated plenty. And Doug said directly that "Dina knows something".

Since Rebecca and her sister were the only ones home that morning, they are the only "suspects".

JMO

Saying "Dina knows something." is more decent than accusing a dead (probably murdered) woman of "homicide" without any probable motive or substantial evidence.

Imo, what Dina is doing and saying is much worse and far more defamatory that what Doug allegedly said.

 

[freespeech]

But they, and Bremner, have made oh so many insinuations!

So what? The people in Rebecca's immediate circle should have been vetted as possible suspects. That's how murder should be ruled out.

You don't rule out murder by believing all the prime witnesses with out any science to validate your determination unless your are in San Diego and happen to be Bill Gore. Then, if under those circumstances it's OK to say, "I" believed the the witnesses because I felt like it and "I" am therefore using that as science and 'Science doesn't lie.' Jmoo.

 

[freespeech]

But since Rebecca committed suicide at a time when detectives and CPS were wanting to question her further about Max's accident, the Zahaus would have a very difficult time proving it was defamation, IMO.

Actually, we have no proof that detectives and CPS wanted to further question Rebecca because they suspected foul play.

The CPS rejected Dina's request to reopen the case. Jonah, Gore and the CPD are satisfied with ruling Max's death as an accident. They do not wish to reopen the case. Period.

If you are an insider and have information that you want to be taken with more weight then you should allow yourself to be vetted out and declared as such. Unless you have a link or really have insider knowledge then I don't see any reason to believe that Rebecca did anything wrong. So far Dina and Nina are the only ones claiming that in addition to posters who agree with them.

 

[MyBelle]

Actually you may be correct. The Zahaus will have to sue Dina for defamation of character. Jonah never said Rebecca or her sister assaulted and murdered Max.

Dina and Dr. Melinek did that. If Dina wins a settlement from Jonah then the Zahaus should sue her for defamation of Rebecca's character, damage to their family name and reputation and pain and suffering while they were trying to grieve her death. Jmoo.

You seem to believe a double standard is possible in our legal system and it is not. Dina hasn't defamed anyone. The Zahaus have expressed their opinion and Dina also is allowed to express her opinion. The only threat I've seen of legal action came after the Zahaus' attorney implied that the other Shacknai children were present and somehow involved in Max's injuries. The cable programs the Z's have appeared on multiple times are entertainment programs. There are many members of the public who came to wonder about the Holloway and Anthony cases whether some of the family were really grieving or trying to exploit a child's death for their own profit. It will be interesting to see what results but I don't believe it will be money in the family's pocket.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Saying "Dina knows something." is more decent than accusing a dead (probably murdered) woman of "homicide" without any probable motive or substantial evidence.

Imo, what Dina is doing and saying is much worse and far more defamatory that what Doug allegedly said.

Isn't there a forum for those who still believe Casey Anthony is a killer? I think expression of an opinion is perfectly legal or people wouldn't be doing it. We do it here every day...

JMO

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Isn't there a forum for those who still believe Casey Anthony is a killer? I think expression of an opinion is perfectly legal or people wouldn't be doing it. We do it here every day...

JMO

The big difference here is that Casey Anthony was arrested for the murder of her daughter. Dina was never considered a suspect in a case that was proved to be suicide by law enforcement and is now closed.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

The big difference here is that Casey Anthony was arrested for the murder of her daughter. Dina was never considered a suspect in a case that was proved to be suicide by law enforcement and is now closed.

JMO

I don't see all that much difference. There was really no proof of murder in Caylee's case. If it had been ruled an accident and no arrest, the cable shows would not have continued to cover it and the family would not have profited financially from it.

Dina's taken the high road and chose to respectfully ask LE to reexamine her son's death. She didn't play to the media first.

JMO

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

I don't see all that much difference. There was really no proof of murder in Caylee's case. If it had been ruled an accident and no arrest, the cable shows would not have continued to cover it and the family would not have profited financially from it.

Dina's taken the high road and chose to respectfully ask LE to reexamine her son's death. She didn't play to the media first.

JMO

The Zahau's asked LE to re-examine the case immediately upon learning they were going to conlcude suicide. A month before the announcement and the day they learned of the conclusion. Their requests fell on deaf ears.

It took Dina a YEAR to ask LE to ex-examine her son's death...... why now.... and so dramatically with a charity and on the anniversary of her son's death.... in a Press Conference.... about a week BEFORE she went to LE to ask for her case to be reopened? I would call that PLAYING to the media... they were invited to the press conference and if they could not come... they could certainly use the press release that was issued to write a story.

The Zahau's were also grieving.... and they demanded answers and justice immediately.

Didn't Max deserve the same outrage...immediately? If it were my son I would demand answers immediately.

Maybe it took a year before Dina could find some paid experts that would "tell the story" she wanted to hear?

The Zahau's on the other hand found immediate embracing by the public... who had exactly the same questions.

To date.... Dina's experts and there blind conclusions have not been warmly met... Dr. Phil and Dr. Wecht were harsh on them....

I think Dr. Phil and Dr. Wecht would gladly investigate etc.... but they clearly did not respect the conclusions of Dina's experts.

Dr. Wecht did the second RZ autopsy for free.... he reviewed Max's autopsy report... and did not come to the same conclusions as Dina's expert.... I don't think he would jeopardize his career and not be exacting in his conclusions... he could find MS was murdered and still believe RZ was also.... but he didn't.

 

[freespeech]

You seem to believe a double standard is possible in our legal system and it is not. Dina hasn't defamed anyone. The Zahaus have expressed their opinion and Dina also is allowed to express her opinion. The only threat I've seen of legal action came after the Zahaus' attorney implied that the other Shacknai children were present and somehow involved in Max's injuries. The cable programs the Z's have appeared on multiple times are entertainment programs. There are many members of the public who came to wonder about the Holloway and Anthony cases whether some of the family were really grieving or trying to exploit a child's death for their own profit. It will be interesting to see what results but I don't believe it will be money in the family's pocket.

JMO

BBM

I do not doubt the system. You are correct when you say a double standard is not possible in our system.

However, when you have biased, corrupt and incompetent people in positions of authority then it is they that cause the corruption and rottenness to the system in which we trust.

 

[Inparadise]

I don't see all that much difference. There was really no proof of murder in Caylee's case. If it had been ruled an accident and no arrest, the cable shows would not have continued to cover it and the family would not have profited financially from it.

Dina's taken the high road and chose to respectfully ask LE to reexamine her son's death. She didn't play to the media first.

JMO

I wouldn't call making statements in the MSM about the shoddy police work and how they "got it all wrong" in the investigation of Max's death respectful. In fact, Chief Scanlon was quite disturbed by the comments made in the media by Dina before she got around to asking CPD to reopen the case.