MD - Freddie Gray dies in police custody #1

[SStarr33]

In this particular case, as far as this particular issue...I don't believe an SA would. She didn't need the arrest to be unlawful for the others charges to be made.

Sorry, I've seen too many BS trials against LE

 

[shadowraiths]

Why did the officers take this indirect route? More questions!

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Why did they keep stopping to check on Mr. Grey, as well as calling the arresting officers to meet them? When looking at their extremely odd behavior in conjunction with Mr. Grey's numerous arrests over the past decade with only 1 prison stint (2009-2011), it seems quite plausible that they had a history with the guy. Moreover, we're not seeing any convictions over a 5 year span of arrests, which raises all sorts of questions. Esp in light of the lie about the knife.

This admittedly leaves me feeling that Freddie Grey's arrest and subsequent death goes well beyond usual claims of police brutality and/or incompetence, or even racism, for that matter. For example, the recent sting involving various law enforcement entities and heroine/cocaine trafficking.

Why? Bc, afaics, not only the arrest but their subsequent behavior seems very very strange. That is, their whole back and forth, come hither and yon to un/load him, take a look see, etcetera, while they're seemingly and randomly driving him around goes above and beyond way out there, to me.

 

[NSS]

Protect and Serve.

Unless you previously committed a crime.
Unless you look shady.
Unless you have mental illness (excludes LEO)
Unless we are in a bad mood.
Unless we feel like acting macho today.

Lord protect us from protectors.......

 

[SStarr33]

So, what do you think the "manslaughter by vehicle" are about??? The van didn't suddenly come to life and kill Freddie!

Maybe you missed the part where he had on leg irons and cuffs and was not belted in

 

[NSS]

Maybe you missed the part where he had on leg irons and cuffs and was not belted in

I think that's exactly what corundogs was saying.

 

[mysteriew]

Like the police who made the arrest had evidence of a crime?

The issue of whether the arrest was legal is still up in the air right now. But are you suggesting that the SA should resort to not needing evidence of a crime to prosecute it? Wouldn't that put her on the same level that she alleges the officers are?

 

[corundogs]

Maybe you missed the part where he had on leg irons and cuffs and was not belted in

Nope. Didn't miss it.

But how do you think he got hurled against something so violently that it broke his neck?

 

[magnolia]

You can't really be questioning that. Maybe you are.

But I fully understand and believe that black people are harassed and wrongly arrested by LEO.

There is SERIOUS issues in this particular organization. Many injuries to citizens, with many lawsuits being paid. Rough rides are a KNOWN ISSUE! And have been for a long time.

Maybe you don't believe that.

BBM-Sorry, not sure what you mean.

 

[SugarQueen]

This is the Fed def of switchblade.

U.S. Code Title 15, Sect. 1241 defines switchblade knives as any knives which open "1) by hand pressure applied to a button or other device in the handle of the knife, or any knife having a blade which opens automatically; (2) by operation of inertia, gravity, or both".

Thank you Pops! That's exactly what I'm saying. IF the knife is as LE said spring assisted then it IS illegal.

 

[SStarr33]

Protect and Serve.

Unless you previously committed a crime.
Unless you look shady.
Unless you have mental illness (excludes LEO)
Unless we are in a bad mood.
Unless we feel like acting macho today.

Lord protect us from protectors.......

I'd love to see a bad case of the blue flu in Baltimore.

 

[SStarr33]

Nope. Didn't miss it.

But how do you think he got hurled against something so violently that it broke his neck?

It does not have to be violent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyRy04Hn_-k

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Protect and Serve.

Unless you previously committed a crime.
Unless you look shady.
Unless you have mental illness (excludes LEO)
Unless we are in a bad mood.
Unless we feel like acting macho today.

Lord protect us from protectors.......

So what is the alternative?

I'm a full believer that you can't judge a person until you've walked in his shoes....so the quandary is evident, isn't it?

Moo

 

[Sonya610]

That is EXACTLY why the law has been debated over and over! While it states "switchblade" Baltimore's definition of a switchblade also describes OTHER knives. Is it ONLY switchblades that are illegal? Or is it also spring assisted and gravity knives?

I don't know much about knives but I thought spring assisted WAS a switch blade. A spring pops the blade in and out of the sheath at the switch of a button.

Gravity knives are more of a gray area in many states.

 

[SStarr33]

I think that's exactly what corundogs was saying.

Look up the definition of rough ride

 

[NSS]

The issue of whether the arrest was legal is still up in the air right now. But are you suggesting that the SA should resort to not needing evidence of a crime to prosecute it? Wouldn't that put her on the same level that she alleges the officers are?

Evidence of crime.

Healthy man stopped and flees.
Man caught, cuffed, arrested, placed unsecured in van.
Refused medical care, observed numerous times.
Taken on tour of city blocks.
Arrives at Police Station on the brink of death.


Slightly OT, but if my kids get 'irate' when I try to belt them in, can I tell LE that they may bite me to avoid getting ticketed?
They really are a law unto themselves.
It's a shame for all the law abiding officers who will be tainted by their behaviour.

 

[LietKynes]

Mainly marking my spot.

It just seems to be rather speedy for the charges that have been brought against these officers ? Don't get me wrong---if they are all guilty as charged, they need the book thrown at them because they are just as accountable as you or I. And maybe a bit more because of the power their position of authority gives them ; imo.

But I thought that before going to trial a prosecutor had to have everything investigated so that there is no room for error , or at least as much as possible.
So, there's proof that a 'rough ride' caused the injuries ? According to some websites, there was no 'bolt' or anything in the van that Mr. Gray could have hit his head on ?
Why isn't there cameras inside the van ? Then none of this would be in question.
Sorry if this has been discussed at length ; I plan to try to catch up later. :blushing:

This was interesting.... I think it pertains to this thread , enough.(?)
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3063807/Baltimores-prosecutor-faces-big-test-4-months-job.html
A Baltimore police organization called for the chief prosecutor to step down from the Freddie Gray investigation on Friday because of her political links to the lawyer representing the dead man's family.

Hopefully Ms. Mosby will watch what she says , so that she doesn't incite further violence.
:moo:

 

[popsicle]

Maybe you missed the part where he had on leg irons and cuffs and was not belted in

Which is what she said. I note that they don't know what happened inside the van but he was not belted in.

 

[SStarr33]

Mainly marking my spot.

It just seems to be rather speedy for the charges that have been brought against these officers ? Don't get me wrong---if they are all guilty as charged, they need the book thrown at them because they are just as accountable as you or I. And maybe a bit more because of the power their position of authority gives them ; imo.

But I thought that before going to trial a prosecutor had to have everything investigated so that there is no room for error , or at least as much as possible.
So, there's proof that a 'rough ride' caused the injuries ? According to some websites, there was no 'bolt' or anything in the van that Mr. Gray could have hit his head on ?
Why isn't there cameras inside the van ? Then none of this would be in question.
Sorry if this has been discussed at length ; I plan to try to catch up later. :blushing:

This was interesting.... I think it pertains to this thread , enough.(?)
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3063807/Baltimores-prosecutor-faces-big-test-4-months-job.html
A Baltimore police organization called for the chief prosecutor to step down from the Freddie Gray investigation on Friday because of her political links to the lawyer representing the dead man's family.

Hopefully Ms. Mosby will watch what she says , so that she doesn't incite further violence.
:moo:

Oh, they are already flipping out on twitter because the bail is so low

 

[Sonya610]

Slightly OT, but if my kids get 'irate' when I try to belt them in, can I tell LE that they may bite me to avoid getting ticketed?

Your kids try to bite you when you fasten their seat belts? Wow.

 

[LietKynes]

It's a shame for all the law abiding officers who will be tainted by their behaviour.

Snipped for brevity. Emphasis mine

That ^^^^^^^^^^^ !!!!!

Some of the citizens of this town may be celebrating the charges against the LEO's; but in the long run , this could have unfortunate consequences.
My personal opinion for some time is that LE has a hard enough job. My.02