MD - Freddie Gray dies in police custody #1

[EllieBee]

I think he may have had osteopenia/osteoporosis from the lead poisoning. jmo

Does that cause severed spinal cord and crushed larynx? Dayum. We should be more worried about lead than police beatings.....

 

[sorrell skye]

Mmm hmm.

I smell a reduced sentence.

I smell more than a reduced sentence - I smell a "get out of jail free" card for who knows how long?

Color me skeptical - but I find it extremely difficult to believe that a prisoner sustained fatal spinal injuries as the result of a smooth van ride.

 

[EllieBee]

I smell more than a reduced sentence - I smell a "get out of jail free" card for who knows how long?

Color me skeptical - but I find it extremely difficult to believe that a prisoner sustained fatal spinal injuries as the result of a smooth van ride.

It really does stretch all reasonable thought, doesn't it?

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[Trident]

I smell more than a reduced sentence - I smell a "get out of jail free" card for who knows how long?

Color me skeptical - but I find it extremely difficult to believe that a prisoner sustained fatal spinal injuries as the result of a smooth van ride.

Tonight on Foxxx there was a sheriff, I don't know where he was from, but he said he's had lots of people seriously injure themselves in police vehicles, some rather seriously.

I also heard, Fox again, that Gray was not restrained/shackled, and that was against protocol, but there was also a "friend" of one of the police who said they were asked not to restrain him. I'm not sure who asked them not to.

 

[sorrell skye]

It really does stretch all reasonable thought, doesn't it?

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IMO, it stretches all credulity.

Even is he'd thrown himself against the van walls (for whatever reason), and even if he'd suffered somewhat weakened bones as the result of prior lead poisoning, I don't believe he would have sustained the injuries that have been reported (crushed larynx, partially severed spinal cord).

It takes a LOT of force to break vertebrae (they are very strong bones). It takes a particular kind/direction of force (after the vertebrae are broken) to then sever the spinal cord.

Until more info is released, it's anyone's guess how he sustained his injuries. But I don't think we can categorically rule out suspicious circumstances.

 

[popsicle]

Does that cause severed spinal cord and crushed larynx? Dayum. We should be more worried about lead than police beatings.....

Do you even know what that is? Think about it... lead fills the bones and decreases the density of them. Weak, brittle bones leads to easy fractures two of which are cervical fractures and hip fractures.

 

[MissSunshine]

I am listening to one of the officer's relatives give an interview on CNN. IMO, she is the relative of the officer who was driving the van. At one point she said that whatever happened to Mr. Gray happened before he got in the van but then went on to say how he had be shackled because he was acting irate. So, what I got from her interview is that he was hurt before he got in and further hurt his ownself in the van.

 

[sorrell skye]

He could be lying but I cannot imagine what would motivate this prisoner to lie about such a detail - in essence taking the side of law enforcement. The fact is this second prisoner is the best witness to what happened to Gray. He could not see Gray but he was an "earwitness" to what happened.

Based on this latest information I cannot imagine that charges will be laid against the six officers.

IMO, this second prisoner is one of the LEAST credible witnesses regarding what occurred during the transport to the jail.

Who is this witness? How does anyone know whether or not his account is trustworthy?

IDK who he is. Do any of us?

Yet folks are willing to take his word as gospel?

I'm certainly not.

 

[mysteriew]

I don't think we can rule out suspicious circumstances yet either. But personally I am watching the evidence mount with an open mind. Could it be possible? Maybe. Is it definite? No absolutely not. Is any of this true? There is no way of knowing at this point. No coroners report yet. But certainly it gives me a better understanding of why LE is saying they are having the info looked at by "spinal experts."

 

[sorrell skye]

I am listening to one of the officer's relatives give an interview on CNN. IMO, she is the relative of the officer who was driving the van. At one point she said that whatever happened to Mr. Gray happened before he got in the van but then went on to say how he had be shackled because he was acting irate. So, what I got from her interview is that he was hurt before he got in and further hurt his ownself in the van.

If he was shackled, how did he fatally injure himself?

 

[mysteriew]

IMO, this second prisoner is one of the LEAST credible witnesses regarding what occurred during the transport to the jail.

Who is this witness? How does anyone know whether or not his account is trustworthy?

IDK who he is. Do any of us?

Yet folks are willing to take his word as gospel?

I'm certainly not.

Personally I prefer forensic info over witness statements no matter how credible the witness.

 

[EllieBee]

Do you even know what that is? Think about it... lead fills the bones and decreases the density of them. Weak, brittle bones leads to easy fractures two of which are cervical fractures and hip fractures.

So he was fine, walking about enough to make the police think he was guilty of something, then BAM! the lead poisoning suddenly took hold exactly at the time of his arrest.

And then he got all dead.

Yep. Probably lead. Not whatever occured during the arrest. Occam's razor is overrated.

 

[MissSunshine]

If he was shackled, how did he fatally injure himself?

Got me. I honestly don't know too much about spinal injuries to give an opinion one way or another.

The opinion I do have is that she was trying to place blame on the arresting officers even though she nor her relative were present when the arrest happened.

 

[popsicle]

So he was fine, walking about enough to make the police think he was guilty of something, then BAM! the lead poisoning suddenly took hold exactly at the time of his arrest.

And then he got all dead.

Yep. Probably lead. Not whatever occured during the arrest. Occam's razor is overrated.

Not sure what the deal is with the repeated snarkiness. Lead stays in the bone it doesn't just go away. With osteo people can also get vertebrae fractures and don't realize it. Google may help.

 

[SStarr33]

There is a basketball player by the name of Boban Jankovi&#263; who paralyzed himself hitting his head on the basketball post because he was frustrated over a call. You can google it and watch the video.

 

[sorrell skye]

Why wasn't he given immediate medical assistance when he stated to LE that he was having difficulty breathing?

Please don't tell me that it was because arrestees say that all the time (what's referred to as malingering) - we've all seen the videos of FG being loaded into the police van. He appeared to be in medical distress - that alone (the appearance of medical distress) should have been enough for the officers to have requested a medic immediately, rather than later.

 

[SStarr33]

Here is the CNN interview with the friend:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/family-member-of-baltimore-cop-speaks-out-about-freddie-grays-death/

 

[sorrell skye]

Probably the same way whomever takes the word of a jail house snitch. I think.

IMO, a jailhouse snitch's testimony is typically bought (in one form or another), ergo, a jailhouse snitch's testimony cannot be trusted.

 

[EllieBee]

Not sure what the deal is with the repeated snarkiness. Lead stays in the bone it doesn't just go away. With osteo people can also get vertebrae fractures and don't realize it. Google may help.

Yes, google may help find all kinds of unlikely causes for this man's sudden demise from being healthy enough to run from police to being so damaged he was dragged into a wagon,screaming in pain. And then he lapsed into a coma from which he never emerged. He is dead.

I am not buying that lead poisoning cause this horrific death. IMO, it is so very obvious Mr. G was beat to his eventual death.

 

[MissSunshine]

How does anyone know whether or not the word of this person can be trusted?

I would say the same way any other witness testimony is trusted or not. Taking what they say with all other evidence available and determining if what they say is plausible or not.