MD - Freddie Gray dies in police custody #1

[trigger]

Not sure if all interviews with the other prisoner have been posted. Here are a couple:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/second-p...ms-that-freddie-gray-tried-to-injure-himself/

The first one is hilarious

Did he say -cide? Lol

 

[mysteriew]

So, some information is beginning to leak out in MSM articles on FG's injuries.



BBM

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fr...-in-back-of-police-van-say-reports/ar-BBiXIAC

So, what is being described in this article, and by commentators such as Dr. Kobilinsky (ME) of CNN, is that there was indeed a serious head injury. I think it's entirely possible the cervical fracture damage is as a result of that head injury-- axial loading, resulting in a specific kind of fracture called a "burst fracture." Burst fractures are a result of high velocity axial impact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burst_fracture

There have also been comments that he may have been in a full cardiac arrest at the van scene-- IDK yet if that's been confirmed.

Keep in mind that the head injury could have been intentional (slamming him into the van while handcuffed and unable to break his fall), or as a result of him struggling and breaking free and falling while being placed in the van, or due to rough driving (intentional, or accidental) and his head impacting the bolt.

So while we know a little more, we still don't know what caused the head impact.

And no one is talking about laryngeal damage today. There is also no mention of FG being "beaten", as some posters have speculated. That will be in the autopsy if there are signs-- but remember, FG was in the hospital a week before he died.

If you look ar SStar33 post# 717 you will see that we have conflicting leaked reports. So everything is still in the air. There is a possibility the coroners report will come out tomorrow. And it might be public.

 

[mysteriew]

New info on Freddie Gray timeline suggests spine injury may have occurred within 14 mins of being in van. 60 min more before Shock Trauma

10:03pm*- 30 Apr 15

https://mobile.twitter.com/jemillerwbal/status/593958823448158209

Not sure who her sources are but she is the same reporter who found the guy who says he was the 2nd prisoner.

I'm not sure I understand what she is trying to say

 

[K_Z]

So, what will be VERY interesting is what the ME determines as of MANNER of death. I feel very confident CAUSE of death will be very well explained.

Manner of death is classed as natural, or unnatural.

Unnatural has 4 possibilites:

1. Accident
2. Homicide
3. Suicide
4. Undetermined

If the ME rules the MANNER of death as "undetermined" (meaning, we know why he died, but not how it happened), versus, "homicide", or "accident", then the entire situation will become exponentially more complex, IMO.

IMO, this is why the delay is occurring in releasing the autopsy results. I think COD is known and easy to determine, but MOD is the big question mark. IMO.

 

[bettybaby00]

New info on Freddie Gray timeline suggests spine injury may have occurred within 14 mins of being in van. 60 min more before Shock Trauma

10:03pm*- 30 Apr 15

https://mobile.twitter.com/jemillerwbal/status/593958823448158209

Not sure who her sources are but she is the same reporter who found the guy who says he was the 2nd prisoner.

I'm so confused by these tweets...they seem completely contradictory to me. Especially the ones that seem to be offering different viewpoints on his head injury....all from "the medical examiner"

Did anyone else watch megyn Kelly earlier? They had a time line of events that was very informative...I'm going to check if anything is online......

 

[MissSunshine]

I'm not sure I understand what she is trying to say

All her tweets say whatever happened, it happened in the van. So I guess she is saying that once he got in the van, within 14 minutes, he received the head injury and it took another hour to get to shock trauma.

 

[abstr]

I just want to add something...over a year ago I became familiar with shock trauma...not through a crime but through my loved one almost dying. The TRU (Trauma Rescuation Unit) saves a lot of people and it isn't always private. The night I was there I saw several victims of gunshots. After that my loved one was there for over two months. They try for privacy but Hipaa doesn't cover saving lives and I know they are the best place for everyone. I have a really long term and right now ongoing association and I don't want to defend.
By the way....any connection I have with Shock
Trauma had nothing to do with drugs or impairment. Sometimes health issues is an issue.

 

[mysteriew]

So, what will be VERY interesting is what the ME determines as of MANNER of death. I feel very confident CAUSE of death will be very well explained.

Manner of death is classed as natural, or unnatural.

Unnatural has 4 possibilites:

1. Accident
2. Homicide
3. Suicide
4. Undetermined

If the ME rules the MANNER of death as "undetermined" (meaning, we know why he died, but not how it happened), versus, "homicide", or "accident", then the entire situation will become exponentially more complex, IMO.

IMO, this is why the delay is occurring in releasing the autopsy results. I think COD is known and easy to determine, but MOD is the big question mark. IMO.

I think it was the police commissioner who said that they were having experts in spinal injuries to look at FG's injuries. So I am sure that will add to the time needed by the coroner.

 

[mysteriew]

They just found a body in a semi truck in the riot area. No details, not known if related, not know how person died. Could have been natural causes. Homicide is there. CNN.

 

[MissSunshine]

CNN is showing that the police just found a body in a semi looking truck on Penn and North....where a lot of the protests have been.

 

[leah]

I just want to add something...over a year ago I became familiar with shock trauma...not through a crime but through my loved one almost dying. The TRU (Trauma Rescuation Unit) saves a lot of people and it isn't always private. The night I was there I saw several victims of gunshots. After that my loved one was there for over two months. They try for privacy but Hipaa doesn't cover saving lives and I know they are the best place for everyone. I have a really long term and right now ongoing association and I don't want to defend.
By the way....any connection I have with Shock
Trauma had nothing to do with drugs or impairment. Sometimes health issues is an issue.

I'm not familiar with Shock Trauma, I will have to look it up, so I can understand what all happened there, or at least get an idea of the care.

 

[katydid23]

with all of this new 'info' coming out today, things are now as clear as mud. Tonight I flipped back and forth between MSNBC and FOX--and got two totally different spins on the new data. Rachel Maddow seemed to believe that it somehow proved the cops were at fault and Megyn Kelly seemed to imply it exonerated them. I am just more confused than ever.

 

[corundogs]

with all of this new 'info' coming out today, things are now as clear as mud. Tonight I flipped back and forth between MSNBC and FOX--and got two totally different spins on the new data. Rachel Maddow seemed to believe that it somehow proved the cops were at fault and Megyn Kelly seemed to imply it exonerated them. I am just more confused than ever.

Really?? You are confused that Fox is spinning a story one way and MSNBC is spinning it another?

LOL!! Just being silly...but I know this is a serious situation!

 

[MissSunshine]

They just found a body in a semi truck in the riot area. No details, not known if related, not know how person died. Could have been natural causes. Homicide is there. CNN.

It sounds like the beginning of a bad joke...how many police officers does it take to find a dead body? Since the whole police department is right down the street....

 

[bettybaby00]

So, what will be VERY interesting is what the ME determines as of MANNER of death. I feel very confident CAUSE of death will be very well explained.

Manner of death is classed as natural, or unnatural.

Unnatural has 4 possibilites:

1. Accident
2. Homicide
3. Suicide
4. Undetermined

If the ME rules the MANNER of death as "undetermined" (meaning, we know why he died, but not how it happened), versus, "homicide", or "accident", then the entire situation will become exponentially more complex, IMO.

IMO, this is why the delay is occurring in releasing the autopsy results. I think COD is known and easy to determine, but MOD is the big question mark. IMO.

I'm not sure how the ME could determine anything other than "undetermined." MOOOO

What I find weird is that the private autopsy results haven't been released.

 

[MissSunshine]

If I go by Jayne Miller's timeline and the fatal injury happened within 14 minutes, it either happened when they shackled him or at the mystery stop.

8:42 a.m. —*Police call for a van and refuse Gray’s request for an inhaler. Minutes later they are videotaped dragging him to the van, which will take him to the West District police station at 1034 N. Mount St.

8:46 a.m. —*The van stops and Gray is placed in leg cuffs after police say he became “irate.”

NO SPECIFIC TIME —*The van is captured by a private camera stopping for a second time. Police have not said why.

8:59 a.m. —*The van stops a third time at the intersection of Druid Hill Ave. and Dolphin St. where the driver asks for an additional unit to check on Gray in the back. Minutes later the van arrives at 1600 W. North Ave. where police pick up a second prisoner.

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/natio...e-gray-death-police-custody-article-1.2205414

 

[mysteriew]

I'm not sure how the ME could determine anything other than "undetermined." MOOOO

What I find weird is that the private autopsy results haven't been released.

I thought that weird too. But then realized they were being held by an attorney.

He could be holding them back to refute the state coroner if need be. Or he could be holding them for future lawsuit. Either or both is possible. I heard an interview with the attorney tonight. He called for the state autopsy to be released. Interviewer asked him about the private autopsy and he laughed. Said it was a case of you show me yours but I'm not showing you mine.

 

[branwynbreeze]

I realize there is lots yet to be know, but as of today, I'm thinking along the lines of one cop crossed the line, others may be guilty of omission.

STCWON (subject to change w/o notice)

 

[mysteriew]

Investigators also face challenges with police that are different from killings by civilians. There's the question of whether an officer acted "reasonably" considering the circumstances - a common defense in use-of-force cases. And investigators can't simply force officers to give statements or lose their jobs, because that would mean their testimony is coerced, and therefore wouldn't hold up in court, Weinstein said

Read More at: http://www.local12.com/news/feature...eath-probe-disappoint-protesters-125176.shtml

I didn't know this. And had never really thought of it.

 

[SStarr33]

REVEALED: Freddie Gray suffered fatal 'catastrophic injury when he fell head first in back of police van and broke neck as head hit bolt' - and police admit mystery secret stop on journey

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...vate-security-camera-scene.html#ixzz3YrFYYD4R
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EXCLUSIVE: Where's the bolt that 'killed Freddie Gray'? Standard-issue police van has SMOOTH cage doors, raising questions over leaked medical report that says fall in paddy wagon caused catastrophic injury

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...caused-catastrophic-injury.html#ixzz3YrFhEEs9
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ETA, there is a much longer video of the second stop at the second link