MD - Freddie Gray dies in police custody #1

[Wise Old Owl]

Bruce Leshan ‏@BruceLeshan 17m17 minutes agoBaltimore, MD
Md State Fire Marshal has charged Greg Bailey, 22, with stabbing fire hose. #Baltimore @wusa9
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Yea! I watched that live ad could not believe my eyes. Such a despicable act!

 

[SCHMAE]

wbaltv.com ‏@wbaltv11 3m3 minutes ago
.@baltimorepolice release photos of the officers charged in the #FreddieGray case (2/2)
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Equally black and white police so there should be no more use of race in this case by anyone .

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Equally black and white police so there should be no more use of race in this case by anyone .

Good point, Schmae.....6 officers arrested: 3 African Americans & 3 white

 

[SStarr33]

Malzberg | Dershowitz - A Sad Day for Justice Motivated by Crowd Control, Any Conviction Unlikely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXx6Y8LKJ_0

 

[Sonya610]

No. Civil society functions best and recognizes the importance and much needed role LE plays in society. Individuals may try to cause anarchy, but it rarely turns out well and imo it's misguided and harmful to think a community can operate without LE protection.

After the civil war the South did not have LE. The citizens stood up and took matters into their own hands. Back then if your kid (or other family member) was a criminal the whole family could, and often would, be driven out of the community.

Back then parents took their job seriously because it wasn't "someone else's problem" if your children victimized the neighbors. It was the whole family's problem.

 

[loveamystery]

BBM

Is there a Maryland statute that can be linked that supports the claim that "If a police officer wants to talk to you and you decide to RUN and make them chase you then that deserves charges"?

I would be surprised if there is.

According to the many cop TV shows I watch, running from the police does result in them chasing you, then tackling you when they catch up to you. Fighting with them results in "resisting arrest" charges.

In this instance, I believe LE is claiming the was an illegal knife in plain view.

:moo:

 

[kaen]

This is a tragedy all around. I am a LE supporter. Members of my family work in the field. That said, the video of any number of the recent deaths has been horrifying to me. I don't think people want no LE but rather a change in the system and the training of our officers. FG was asking for medical help after he asked for his inhaler. He was denied that help more than once.

My question is why deny him medical care? What was the reason that any of these officers believed they understood his medical condition (before his catastrophic neck injury)? They took him out of the wagon on more than one occasion, would it have been problematic to get the EMTs to check him out? They functioned beyond their expertise as they are not EMTs. A young man is dead and, in fact, died a horrific death in the back of that van. If he had lived, he would have been paralyzed from the neck down.

I could definitely see a different narrative in Michael Brown's case as he was up in the officer's window. Did he deserve to be shot? I can not say but take the word of the grand jury.

In the case of Freddie Gray, I take the word of the prosecutor until the trial. If the officers are guilty in his death, then, they should shoulder the responsibility.

When other cases were in the headlines and people demanded a special prosecutor, many were against it saying that we had a system in place. i took that. Now, I see that the same system is in place in Baltimore and we must see how this plays out.

A sad day for the officers. I doubt that any of them woke up that day hoping to participate in anyone's death. I also doubt that Freddie Gray thought he would die on that day or be on life support until he expired.

I hope that many of us in Websleuths can remember our aim to be victim friendly.

 

[vanlutz]

I believe the charges are correct. By the officers not doing their jobs strictly by the book (seatbelt, getting aid) they could be guilty. However, with the little info we have, I see two problems (and there's no facts out at all):

1. The knife. Is it really legal?

2. Ms Mosby said that when the second prisoner was put in the van FG was unresponsive. However, according the Washington Post story, the other prisoner heard FG banging on the walls. Which he couldn't do if he was old cold.

 

[sorrell skye]

I would like to see the results of FG's toxicology report---was he under the influence of drugs? It would matter as his behavior would reflect the various necessary actions taken by LE.

Let's see the tox reports!

ITA about the tox reports. I've wondered if he may have been under the influence of any drugs at the time of his arrest.

Nevertheless, even if he was, I don't think it necessarily exonerates the arresting officers (nor the officer who was driving the police van) in their failure to seek medical aid for him. If anything, it may make them more culpable.

 

[kaen]

Marilyn Mosby on All In with Chris Hayes (MSNBC). She is a strong voice for justice all around.
Her full press conference posted by Shadowraiths (http://time.com/3843870/marilyn-mosby-transcript-freddie-gray/) is very powerful.

 

[SStarr33]

I don't think the non-bike guy who was at the original arrest scene got arrested.

 

[SStarr33]

Marilyn Mosby on All In with Chris Hayes (MSNBC). She is a strong voice for justice all around.

IMO she is a strong voice for tamping down the nuts who want to burn the city down

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I believe the charges are correct. By the officers not doing their jobs strictly by the book (seatbelt, getting aid) they could be guilty. However, with the little info we have, I see two problems (and there's no facts out at all):

1. The knife. Is it really legal?

2. Ms Mosby said that when the second prisoner was put in the van FG was unresponsive. However, according the Washington Post story, the other prisoner heard FG banging on the walls. Which he couldn't do if he was old cold.

Do we know for a fact that the officers are mandated to put seat belts on the arrested person inside the van? Are there laws that specifically state this? Are there seat belts inside the van? Would seat belts actually prevent the types of injuries allegedly happening anyway (banging of the head into the walls of the van which are very, very close)?

 

[SStarr33]

February 12th, 2014

Power Couple Spotlight: Nick and Marilyn Mosby

http://thefabempire.com/2014/02/12/power-couple-spotlight-nick-marilyn-mosby/

 

[SStarr33]

Do we know for a fact that the officers are mandated to put seat belts on the arrested person inside the van? Are there laws that specifically state this? Are there seat belts inside the van? Would seat belts actually prevent the types of injuries allegedly happening anyway (banging of the head into the walls of the van which are very, very close)?

They just added the seatbelt rule 9 days before this happened

 

[sorrell skye]

How can anyone believe it's all right to transport a prisoner facedown, who is hand-cuffed & in leg-irons when that prisoner is repeatedly asking for medical help?

Who among us would wish to be subjected to such heinous treatment?

Once shackled and hand-cuffed and placed facedown in the police van, FG had zero control over his health & safety. He was completely helpless.

Think of FG what you will, but I don't think he deserved to be treated like livestock on the way to the slaughterhouse.

ETA: In fact, I think livestock is treated more humanely that FG was after his arrest.

 

[kaen]

Do we know for a fact that the officers are mandated to put seat belts on the arrested person inside the van? Are there laws that specifically state this? Are there seat belts inside the van? Would seat belts actually prevent the types of injuries allegedly happening anyway (banging of the head into the walls of the van which are very, very close)?

There was an order from the BPD nine days ago requiring that all in the wagon be belted. There were belts in the wagon, based on the videos I have seen of the wagon. My guess would be that a secured rider (who does not have use of their hands to break their fall) would be safer than an unsecured rider. Wagons and trucks usually are more bumpy than regular cars. If the officers drove so the ride was even more bumpy then any unsecured passenger would be at risk.

 

[Footwarrior]

They just added the seatbelt rule 9 days before this happened

Do you have a reliable source for that?

 

[bestill]

They just added the seatbelt rule 9 days before this happened

So this means that superiors will be in the hot seat too, the arrested officers may have not been notified or up to date on that.

 

[SStarr33]

Mosby today after the charging speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4eujF6I6Is

She starts at about 10:30