MD - Freddie Gray dies in police custody #1

[popsicle]

On the Kelly File this person speaking said FG always put on a show when arrested... acting like he was injured etc and so the officers didn't think much about it.

eta Ohreally :lol:

 

[SStarr33]

There is a still image at this site showing Goodson at the back of the van

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-protocol-fears-wife-children-attacked.html

Thank you! I completely missed him every time I looked. I think the other uniformed guy did not get arrested.

 

[SStarr33]

On the Kelly File this person speaking said FG always put on a show when arrested... acting like he was injured etc and so the officers didn't think much about it.

eta Ohreally :lo:

LOL, oops. And since there have been so many arrests, they will have a parade of cops go to the stand to testify to that.

 

[Elley Mae]

Maryland Statute 59-22 is the knife law

It*shall*be*unlawful*for*any person*to*sell,*carry,*or possess*any*knife*with*an automatic*spring*or
other*device*for*openingand/or*closing*the*blade,commonly* known*as*a switch-blade*knife.

So it says any automatic spring but then SA said it was legal...

IIRC switchblade is a button release, jmo idk iirc

 

[Woodland]

She was speaking to the Multi-cultural Prayer Meeting of community religious leaders. Might not be a great idea but I like the idea that she and the police official are calling for a great working relationship between community leaders, LE, the legal system and the community.

BBM - a good thing that's unfortunately not happening here.

 

[popsicle]

Baltimore Police ‏@BaltimorePolice 6m6 minutes ago
During the next hour officers will use bull horns to make announcements throughout the city about the 10:00pm curfew.

You don't have to go home but you have to the heck off the streets... night night

 

[SStarr33]

Can a felon carry a knife?

 

[bettybaby00]

On the Kelly File this person speaking said FG always put on a show when arrested... acting like he was injured etc and so the officers didn't think much about it.

eta Ohreally :lol:

Interesting interview.

 

[Elley Mae]

Can a felon carry a knife?

I was told yes, it's penknife not a deadly weapon. jmo idk

 

[DebinGA]

New York Times: "Ms. Mosby said that Mr. Gray suffered a spinal injury on April 12 while being transported in a police van — and not earlier, while being arrested — and pointed to the failure of the police to put a seatbelt on him as a crucial factor.
“Mr. Gray suffered a severe and critical neck injury as a result of being handcuffed, shackled by his feet and unrestrained inside the B.P.D. wagon,” she said, referring to the police van."
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Isn't it likely the two youngish, white bike cops' responsibility for Gray ended when they brought him to the open door of the van, in what looks like a non-violent way imo? IOW, they weren't responsible for leaving him unsecured inside or for not rendering aid during the ride to the station?

 

[popsicle]

8:45 p.m.
Court records indicate that all six Baltimore police officers charged in Freddie Gray's death have posted bond, and five have been released. The sixth officer, Sgt. Alicia White, had not yet been released.

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/2...ond?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[vanlutz]

http://www.businessinsider.com/prosecutor-says-no-reason-to-arrest-freddie-gray-2015-5

The knife was recovered, the report says, and "found to be a spring-assisted, one hand operated knife." In Baltimore, it is illegal to carry a switchblade.

bbm A spring-assist and a switch blade are two different knives.

a spring assist is not a switchblade.

This is where I think you're wrong (but I'm not positive) The FOLLOWING is the actual Baltimore statute... This is their interpretation of a switchblade ""unlawfully carry, possess, and sell a knife commonly known as a switchblade knife, with an automatic spring or other device for opening and/or closing the blade within the limits of Baltimore City"

Other device is the relevant part. It apparently does have a spring.

 

[kaen]

New York Times:
“Mr. Gray suffered a severe and critical neck injury as a result of being handcuffed, shackled by his feet and unrestrained inside the B.P.D. wagon,” she said, referring to the police van."
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Isn't it likely the two youngish, white bike cops' responsibility for Gray ended when they brought him to the open door of the van, in what looks like a non-violent way imo? IOW, they weren't responsible for leaving him unsecured inside or for not rendering aid during the ride to the station?

The bike cops interacted with the wagon more than once during their stops. They intersected with the wagon on its way (with at least, one unexplained stop) to check on FG.

http://time.com/3843870/marilyn-mosb...-freddie-gray/

Mosby: Following transport from Baker Street, Mr Gray suffered a severe and critical neck injury as a result of being handcuffed, shackled by his feet and unrestrained inside of the BPD wagon.
From Baker Street, Officer Goodson proceeded to the vicinity of Mosher Street and Fremont Avenue where he subsequently parked the wagon and proceeded to the back of the wagon to observe Mr Gray.
Despite stopping for the purpose of checking on Mr Gray’s condition, at no point did he seek nor did he render any medical assistance for Mr. Gray.
Officer Goodson returned to his driver’s seat and proceed toward the Central Booking and Intake facility with Mr Gray still unsecured by a seatbelt contrary to a BPD general order.
Several blocks later, Officer Goodson called into dispatch that he needed to check on the status of his prisoner and requested additional units at Dolphin Street and Druid Hill Avenue. Officer William Porter arrived on the scene at Dolphin Street and Druid HIll Avenue.
Both Officer Goodson and Porter proceeded to the back of the wagon to check on the status of Mr Gray’s condition.
Mr Gray at that time requested help and indicated that he could not breathe. Officer Porter asked Mr Gray if he needed a medic at which time Mr Gray indicated at least twice that he was in need of a medic.
Officer Porter then physically assisted Mr Gray from the floor of the van to the bench however despite Mr Gray’s appeal for a medic, both officers assessed Mr Gray’s condition and at no point did either of them restrain Mr Gray per BPD general order nor did they render or request medical assistance.
While discussing the transportation of Mr Gray for medical attention, a request for additional units was made for an arrest at the 1600 West North Avenue. Officer Porter left the civity of Druid Hill Avenue to assist in the arrest of another prisoner at North Avenue.
Despite M. Gray’s obvious and recognized need for medical assistance, Officer Goodson in a grossly negligent manner chose to respond to the 1600 block of West North Avenue with Mr. Gray still unsecured by a seatbelt in the wagon without rendering to or summoning medical assistance for Mr Gray.
Officer Goodson arrived at North Avenue to transport the individual arrested at the location of North Avenue and Pennsylvania Avenue at which time he was again met by Officer Nero, Miller and Porter.
Once the wagon arrived, Officer Goodson walked to the back of the wagon and again opened the doors to the wagon to make observations of Mr Gray.
Sgt Alicia White, Officer Porter and Officer Goodson observed Mr Gray unresponsive on the floor of the wagon. Sgt White who is responsible for investigating two citizen complaints pertaining to Mr Gray’s illegal arrest spoke to the back of Mr Gray’s head. When he did not respond, she did nothing further despite the fact that she was advised that he needed a medic. She made no effort to look or assess or determine his condition.
Despite Mr Gray’s seriously deteriorating medical condition, no medical assistance was rendered or summoned for Mr Gray at that time by any officer.
After completing the North Avenue arrest and loading the additional prisoner into the opposite side of the wagon containing Mr. Gray, Officer Goodson then proceeded to the Western District Station where contrary to the BPD general order, he again failed to restrain Mr Gray in the wagon for at least the fifth time.

 

[popsicle]

Fox News ‏@FoxNews 4m4 minutes ago
Anonymous Cop: “I think it is possible, that [#FreddieGray] could’ve done it to himself.” @megynkelly

 

[al66pine]

A bit of research indicates the policy of belting in prisoners has been in place from at least 1997. It may have been revised recently, but it is not a new policy.
http://www.aele.org/law/2009all10/baltimore-transport.pdf

Footwarrior
Thanks for tracking down policy dated 1997.

As I interp it, policy is for LE to secure w belts generally, but LE must evaluate on a case by case basis,
to avoid placing selves in danger. Verbatim text below from page 1.
Not cut and dried. Belting in was not mandatory for each & every arrestee.

"Whenever an arrestee is transported in a police vehicle, ensure:
> That he/she has been searched and handcuffed, (hands cuffed in the rear), before being placed in a prisoner transport vehicle or a “C. P.” truck.
> The arrestee is secured with seat/restraint belts provided. This procedure should be evaluated on an individual basis so not to place oneself in any danger.
> That the seat/restraint belt is placed securely around the waist or upper body of the arrestee to prevent the arrestee from maneuvering out of the restraint and possibly causing injury to them or others." bbm

I've not seen the text of new policy distributed ~ 2weeks ago. A link, anyone?

 

[SStarr33]

She was speaking to the Multi-cultural Prayer Meeting of community religious leaders. Might not be a great idea but I like the idea that she and the police official are calling for a great working relationship between community leaders, LE, the legal system and the community.

I think she should have called for people to stop doing crimes.

 

[Footwarrior]

Thank you. I just doesn't make sense to not secure someone in the back of those vans, when their hands are cuffed and they have no ability to balance themselves.

And of course, there are seat belts there. I don't think they are there for decoration.

A suspect being transported in a BPD van was paralyzed in 2005. A second case of paralysis happened in 2006. Given this, it is odd that strapping in a prisoner was not made mandatory after the city had to pay out millions to settle the lawsuits from these two events. The city is currently being sued over a 2012 incident:

Christine Abbott, a 27-year-old assistant librarian at the Johns Hopkins University, is suing city officers in federal court, alleging that she got such a ride in 2012. According to the suit, officers cuffed Abbott's hands behind her back, threw her into a police van, left her unbuckled and "maniacally drove" her to the Northern District police station, "tossing [her] around the interior of the police van."

"They were braking really short so that I would slam against the wall, and they were taking really wide, fast turns," Abbott said in an interview that mirrored allegations in her lawsuit. "I couldn't brace myself. I was terrified."

So why did using seat belts when transporting prisoners only became mandatory a couple weeks ago? Did someone notice that prisoners were arriving bloody and beaten after a ride in the van?

 

[popsicle]

Megyn Kelly @megynkelly · 4m4 minutes ago
PD source: “When Freddie saw the police he ran, which is unprovoked flight, so the officers have every right to pursue him.” #KellyFile


Megyn Kelly @megynkelly · 7m7 minutes ago
PD source says none of the cops had any knowledge #FreddieGray was injured until they got to the station. #KellyFile


Megyn Kelly @megynkelly · 7m7 minutes ago
PD source says it would not be unusual for #FreddieGray to be shouting or jumping around in van. #KellyFile


Megyn Kelly @megynkelly · 7m7 minutes ago
“The video shows clear evidence that he was standing, and got into the van on his own accord,” PD source says. #KellyFile

 

[Elley Mae]

Raw video: State's Attorney press conference - officers charged

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/raw-video-states-attorney-press-conference-officers-charged/32687522

I don't know if this has been posted, it's the press conference SA Mosby had.

 

[SStarr33]

New York Times: "Ms. Mosby said that Mr. Gray suffered a spinal injury on April 12 while being transported in a police van — and not earlier, while being arrested — and pointed to the failure of the police to put a seatbelt on him as a crucial factor.
“Mr. Gray suffered a severe and critical neck injury as a result of being handcuffed, shackled by his feet and unrestrained inside the B.P.D. wagon,” she said, referring to the police van."
..................................................................................................
Isn't it likely the two youngish, white bike cops' responsibility for Gray ended when they brought him to the open door of the van, in what looks like a non-violent way imo? IOW, they weren't responsible for leaving him unsecured inside or for not rendering aid during the ride to the station?

This says its the arresting officers job to secure them:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-protocol-fears-wife-children-attacked.html