MD - Freddie Gray dies in police custody #1

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Miss Sunshine---what's with all the asterisks?
FG had his knife concealed-carry.

That makes a difference too according to some of the articles I'm reading.

I have no idea why all the asterisks came up. I copied from a PDF and they appeared when I hit post reply. Who knows what I did lol

My understanding possessing the type of knife described in the statute is illegal whether concealed carry or not. I don't know if the knife Mr. Gray had fit the criteria but if it was an automatic spring, I would think it did.
 
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What do we know about his recent surgery ? Was that in the same location of the spine? Was that even true or rumor ? tia
 
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Footwarrior
Thanks for tracking down policy dated 1997.

As I interp it, policy is for LE to secure w belts generally, but LE must evaluate on a case by case basis,
to avoid placing selves in danger. Verbatim text below from page 1.
Not cut and dried. Belting in was not mandatory for each & every arrestee.

"Whenever an arrestee is transported in a police vehicle, ensure:
> That he/she has been searched and handcuffed, (hands cuffed in the rear), before being placed in a prisoner transport vehicle or a “C. P.” truck.
> The arrestee is secured with seat/restraint belts provided. This procedure should be evaluated on an individual basis so not to place oneself in any danger.
> That the seat/restraint belt is placed securely around the waist or upper body of the arrestee to prevent the arrestee from maneuvering out of the restraint and possibly causing
injury to them or others
." bbm

I've not seen the text of new policy distributed ~ 2weeks ago. A link, anyone?

It states the same thing in the newest policy from the B-More LE Department.
But even still, a policy does not a law make.

Policy violations mean nothing in a court of law regarding manslaughter.
 
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I have no idea why all the asterisks came up. I copied from a PDF and they appeared when I hit post reply. Who knows what I did lol

My understanding possessing the type of knife described in the statute is illegal whether concealed carry or not. I don't know if the knife Mr. Gray had fit the criteria but if it was an automatic spring, I would think it did.

Plus he had it concealed
 
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So on another blog they are saying the reason she did the charge for the illegal arrest is to make sure they get their payday in the civil case and it has nothing to do with the criminal charges. Does anyone know if that is correct?
 
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On the Kelly File this person speaking said FG always put on a show when arrested... acting like he was injured etc and so the officers didn't think much about it.

eta Ohreally :lol:

Trust that was documented in the arrest reports at the time? It would lack credibility otherwise imo.
 
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The bike cops interacted with the wagon more than once during their stops. They intersected with the wagon on its way (with at least, one unexplained stop) to check on FG.
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That chronology was very helpful at pointing out Goodson's culpability, but not the two bike cops (if I'm reading it right). Goodson/Gray's second encounter with the bike cops seems to be a subsequent call for a police van to come to another location where a different crime had occurred and in which the two white bike cops who'd earlier arrested Gray were now involved .
 
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So on another blog they are saying the reason she did the charge for the illegal arrest is to make sure they get their payday in the civil case and it has nothing to do with the criminal charges. Does anyone know if that is correct?

I truly believe so! Bingo!

But I hope the powers that be remember to bring to court the looters who destroyed that town while the Mayor told LE to "stand down".

She could be sued......and also tried civilly.

Moo
 
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Fox News ‏@FoxNews 4m4 minutes ago
Anonymous Cop: “I think it is possible, that [#FreddieGray] could’ve done it to himself.” @megynkelly

What's interesting is that we are no longer hearing the "80% severed from his neck" language. I was critical last night of the various talking head medical experts who were asserting that "banging ones head could not cause his spinal cord to be severed," and therefore, someone, somehow must have physically assaulted/abused him.
 
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I am sad that a sworn officer of the court is having her integrity questioned.

FG was a victim here. Yes, he may have been a criminal in the past or on that day but once he was handcuffed and shackled the officers had a duty to protect his health and safety. Are we not a victim friendly site? FG was not saint but he died handcuffed/shackled on the floor of a police van.

In Ferguson, the police stood down on the first nights. Similar, no?

We may not like that the officers have been charged but why do people need to see the prosecutor as against LE? In Ferguson, many questioned the prosecutor but the general tone was that it was his call to go to the Grand Jury. She makes a call and every move she makes is seen as done based on her leanings toward the youth of Baltimore.
 
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A suspect being transported in a BPD van was paralyzed in 2005. A second case of paralysis happened in 2006. Given this, it is odd that strapping in a prisoner was not made mandatory after the city had to pay out millions to settle the lawsuits from these two events. The city is currently being sued over a 2012 incident:



So why did using seat belts when transporting prisoners only became mandatory a couple weeks ago? Did someone notice that prisoners were arriving bloody and beaten after a ride in the van?

Imo, someone may have finally realized the millions paid out for LE to not use seatbelts is ridiculous. Surely this amount could be better spent in the community?
 
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Megyn Kelly @megynkelly · 17m17 minutes ago
PD Source: “They're a great group of officers and…have hearts of gold. And the one I know is, personally, taking it extremely difficult.”


Megyn Kelly @megynkelly · 12m12 minutes ago
PD source: "From the officer's standpoint they feel as though the officers are guilty until proven innocent." #KellyFile


Megyn Kelly @megynkelly · 11m11 minutes ago
PD source about the #Baltimore Mayor: "I think she's left the police department and the officers out to dry."


Megyn Kelly @megynkelly · 10m10 minutes ago
PD source says #Baltimore law enforcement told not to arrest anyone Monday night. #KellyFile


Megyn Kelly @megynkelly · 9m9 minutes ago
PD source on the 1st night of protests: “It was outrageous… things being thrown at officers.” #KellyFile


Megyn Kelly @megynkelly · 9m9 minutes ago
PD source says, “the department was extremely unprepared” for the #BaltimoreRiots. #KellyFile


Megyn Kelly @megynkelly · 8m8 minutes ago
PD source: “As soon as one person started throwing rocks at us, we should have arrested them right there.”


Megyn Kelly @megynkelly · 3m3 minutes ago
PD source: “You’re not going to see officers being as proactive because the department has shown whose side they are on.” #KellyFile







 
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Megyn Kelly @megynkelly · 4m4 minutes ago
PD source: “When Freddie saw the police he ran, which is unprovoked flight, so the officers have every right to pursue him.” #KellyFile


Megyn Kelly @megynkelly · 7m7 minutes ago
PD source says none of the cops had any knowledge #FreddieGray was injured until they got to the station. #KellyFile


Megyn Kelly @megynkelly · 7m7 minutes ago
PD source says it would not be unusual for #FreddieGray to be shouting or jumping around in van. #KellyFile


Megyn Kelly @megynkelly · 7m7 minutes ago
“The video shows clear evidence that he was standing, and got into the van on his own accord,” PD source says. #KellyFile




Seems FG was well known to many of these officers, meaning it's likely there will be witnesses to corroborate this type of behavior.
 
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What's interesting is that we are no longer hearing the "80% severed from his neck" language. I was critical last night of the various talking head medical experts who were asserting that "banging ones head could not cause his spinal cord to be severed," and therefore, someone, somehow must have physically assaulted/abused him.

Somewhere on this thread is a youtube video of a basketball player who was paralyzed when he banged his head on a concrete pillar. I do think the 80% severed is still key but those were the talking heads. The prosecutor clearly is pointing to his rolling around or hitting his head with force.
 
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The bike cops interacted with the wagon more than once during their stops. They intersected with the wagon on its way (with at least, one unexplained stop) to check on FG.

Mosby: Following transport from Baker Street, Mr Gray suffered a severe and critical neck injury as a result of being handcuffed, shackled by his feet and unrestrained inside of the BPD wagon.
From Baker Street, Officer Goodson proceeded to the vicinity of Mosher Street and Fremont Avenue where he subsequently parked the wagon and proceeded to the back of the wagon to observe Mr Gray.
Despite stopping for the purpose of checking on Mr Gray’s condition, at no point did he seek nor did he render any medical assistance for Mr. Gray.
Officer Goodson returned to his driver’s seat and proceed toward the Central Booking and Intake facility with Mr Gray still unsecured by a seatbelt contrary to a BPD general order.
Several blocks later, Officer Goodson called into dispatch that he needed to check on the status of his prisoner and requested additional units at Dolphin Street and Druid Hill Avenue. Officer William Porter arrived on the scene at Dolphin Street and Druid HIll Avenue.
Both Officer Goodson and Porter proceeded to the back of the wagon to check on the status of Mr Gray’s condition.
Mr Gray at that time requested help and indicated that he could not breathe. Officer Porter asked Mr Gray if he needed a medic at which time Mr Gray indicated at least twice that he was in need of a medic.
Officer Porter then physically assisted Mr Gray from the floor of the van to the bench however despite Mr Gray’s appeal for a medic, both officers assessed Mr Gray’s condition and at no point did either of them restrain Mr Gray per BPD general order nor did they render or request medical assistance.
While discussing the transportation of Mr Gray for medical attention, a request for additional units was made for an arrest at the 1600 West North Avenue. Officer Porter left the civity of Druid Hill Avenue to assist in the arrest of another prisoner at North Avenue.
Despite M. Gray’s obvious and recognized need for medical assistance, Officer Goodson in a grossly negligent manner chose to respond to the 1600 block of West North Avenue with Mr. Gray still unsecured by a seatbelt in the wagon without rendering to or summoning medical assistance for Mr Gray.
Officer Goodson arrived at North Avenue to transport the individual arrested at the location of North Avenue and Pennsylvania Avenue at which time he was again met by Officer Nero, Miller and Porter.
Once the wagon arrived, Officer Goodson walked to the back of the wagon and again opened the doors to the wagon to make observations of Mr Gray.
Sgt Alicia White, Officer Porter and Officer Goodson observed Mr Gray unresponsive on the floor of the wagon. Sgt White who is responsible for investigating two citizen complaints pertaining to Mr Gray’s illegal arrest spoke to the back of Mr Gray’s head. When he did not respond, she did nothing further despite the fact that she was advised that he needed a medic. She made no effort to look or assess or determine his condition.
Despite Mr Gray’s seriously deteriorating medical condition, no medical assistance was rendered or summoned for Mr Gray at that time by any officer.
After completing the North Avenue arrest and loading the additional prisoner into the opposite side of the wagon containing Mr. Gray, Officer Goodson then proceeded to the Western District Station where contrary to the BPD general order, he again failed to restrain Mr Gray in the wagon for at least the fifth time.

Do you have a link for all this?
 
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What's interesting is that we are no longer hearing the "80% severed from his neck" language. I was critical last night of the various talking head medical experts who were asserting that "banging ones head could not cause his spinal cord to be severed," and therefore, someone, somehow must have physically assaulted/abused him.

Somewhere on this thread is a youtube video of a basketball player who was paralyzed when he banged his head on a concrete pillar. I do think the 80% severed is still key but those were the talking heads. The prosecutor clearly is pointing to his rolling around or hitting his head with force.
 
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I truly believe so! Bingo!

But I hope the powers that be remember to bring to court the looters who destroyed that town while the Mayor told LE to "stand down".

She could be sued......and also tried civilly.

Moo

That would be very interesting.
 
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