MD - Freddie Gray dies in police custody #3 *INDICTMENT*

[SStarr33]

Can't remember if this has been posted previously, apologies if it has. CCTV #2106:

[video=youtube;dBq_i9Jyf_Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dBq_i9Jyf_Y[/video]

09:53: Gray can be seen running (8:39:50 am) up the street in the opposite direction of the corner where the arrest is made.
10:12: Bike cop in pursuit
10:44: One of the bike cops can be seen slowly wheeling two bikes along the street toward the -empty- corner where the arrest will be made about a minute or so later.
11.15: Patrol car swerves onto the wrong side of the road, toward the corner.
11.36: Gray can be seen on the ground, with an officer standing, against a wall next to the smaller wall where he'd be placed later.

The officers then appear to move him toward the little wall, where the bikes were propped, and kneel both behind and beside him.

The witness who made the video appears, two minutes after the first sighting of the arrest.

Gray appears to spend the majority of his arrest face down on the ground.

Yes we've seen these videos. <modsnip>

 

[katydid23]

Its just well just....................the bottom line here is a 25 year old who rid a bike and ran....is dead...............the only "thing" that happened was contact with govt paid folks called LE................it is that simple.................fine before......... dead now

I disagree. He was not 'fine' before, imo. He had major medical issues which may have contributed to his bones being more easily fractured. Longtime lead poisoning during childhood, while bones are developing, account for that possibility. And he had a history of hard drug abuse. So if he ran from the police, and was taken down, because HE CHOSE TO RUN, there is a possibility he would be critically injured, even if the cops did not use excessive force. JMO

 

[Bravo]

No but when he was running would there not have been a request by LE to STOP!? Whatever words they use?

 

[katydid23]

Let's stick to the facts. He merely made eye contact and took off. He wasn't being detained, he wasn't under arrest...he & Rice just simply looked at each other. Running is not against the law.

BBM-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ae70c4-e736-11e4-8581-633c536add4b_story.html

YES, let's stick to the facts. RUNNING is not against the law but IT IS CAUSE for cops to chase and detain and confront to find out why the subject ran.

If someone is walking their bike and they drop it and RUN, that is legal cause for a cop to chase them and investigate the situation.Which is what they did. And they found weapon, which according to the City Code, is illegal. The SA quoted the state code, so they will have to battle it out in the courts.

 

[Ausgirl]

What's a "leg lace"? Is that a kind of wrestling hold?

From the CCTV I posted above, Gray seems to be completely compliant and in cuffs, laying face down on the corner. The cops then move him over by the bikes -- you can see them both bending down, one at each "end" of Gray, then the next thing we see is he's been moved over by the bikes and both officers are kneeling over him -- the chunkier cop is almost on top of him from behind, the skinner cop around his midsection.

Which might indicate they lifted him over there in a prone position.

 

[Tawny]

I wonder why, if he was face down and cuffed in one spot, they felt they needed to move him at all.

 

[WhoaIsMe]

Let's stick to the facts. He merely made eye contact and took off. He wasn't being detained, he wasn't under arrest...he & Rice just simply looked at each other. Running is not against the law.

BBM-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ae70c4-e736-11e4-8581-633c536add4b_story.html

So there was another man then

 

[DebinGA]

WaPo link earlier: "Batts also said it is still unclear why Gray was stopped in the first place, saying only that officers “made eye contact” with Gray and another man, and the two took off running."

Prolific drug arrestee is seen on high-crime corner with another male + both "took off running" when cops make eye contact = "reasonable suspicion" to pursue fleeing fellows ... imo. Iirc courts give LE more leeway suspicion-wise in situations like this in high crime areas than in non-high crime areas.

 

[WhoaIsMe]

o/t one or both officers have died. It's hard to tell with how badly this article is worded http://www.wkrg.com/story/29023869/officers-shot-in-hattiesburg

 

[Greater Than]

YES, let's stick to the facts. RUNNING is not against the law but IT IS CAUSE for cops to chase and detain and confront to find out why the subject ran.

If someone is walking their bike and they drop it and RUN, that is legal cause for a cop to chase them and investigate the situation.Which is what they did. And they found weapon, which according to the City Code, is illegal. The SA quoted the state code, so they will have to battle it out in the courts.

Please do not take my post out of context and then shout at me with caps. I was responding to a poster that alleged FG could have been charged with evading arrest and obstruction of justice. That is a false allegation. That's all my point was...nothing more, nothing less. Good grief.

 

[Tawny]

o/t one or both officers have died. It's hard to tell with how badly this article is worded http://www.wkrg.com/story/29023869/officers-shot-in-hattiesburg

I started a thread for this

 

[Deleted member 39678]

TITLE 9 - CRIMES AGAINST PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION
Subtitle 4 - Harboring, Escape, and Contraband
Section 9-408 - Resisting or interfering with arrest.

§ 9-408. Resisting or interfering with arrest.


(a) "Police officer" defined.- In this section, "police officer" means an individual who is authorized to make an arrest under Title 2 of the Criminal Procedure Article.

(b) Prohibited.- A person may not intentionally:

(1) resist a lawful arrest; or

(2) interfere with an individual who the person has reason to know is a police officer who is making or attempting to make a lawful arrest or detention of another person.

The Officers wanted to detain Gray in order to investigate unlawful activity on his part. He ran from them, thus interfering, when he saw them looking at him. That appears to be against statute Title 9, Subtitle 4, Section 9-408 of the Maryland criminal code. JMO

http://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2010/criminal-law/title-9/subtitle-4/9-408/

 

[Tawny]

And yet he hasn't been charged with that so what is the point. Other than to keep on blamin' the victim.

 

[WhoaIsMe]

I started a thread for this

could you post a link or title. I can't find it *hangs head* TIA

 

[Bravo]

We have a ways to go with more facts. ME's report, tox screen etc. What the Prosecution has that we don't know about. I truly don't want FG to have died in vain but i don't want all these Police Officers to pay for what has become a hot, ongoing issue and perhaps now a political issue.

 

[Greater Than]

They were not detaining him (or even trying to) at the time he ran! They looked at each other...he ran..that is it!

 

[Tawny]

could you post a link or title. I can't find it *hangs head* TIA

Sure! Here you go http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?279653-MS-Fatal-shooting-claims-lives-of-Hattiesburg-police-officers-manhunt-underway

 

[Deleted member 39678]

And yet he hasn't been charged with that so what is the point. Other than to keep on blamin' the victim.

I think your talking about my post. I'm saying that Gray may have been undercharged and the LE officers overcharged. I'm not blaming the victim of anything. I'm wondering why the arresting Officers didn't charge Gray with more crimes than they did.

That's the point I'm trying to make. JMO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

They were not detaining him (or trying to) at the time he ran! They looked at each other...he ran..that is it!

I guess if the Officers yelled "stop police" that would qualify for them trying to detain him. Maybe they never did. I don't know myself.

 

[octobermoon]

Pretty sure Lt. Rice had FG beat in the resisting department. FG ran away. Lt. Rice? A standoff.
Made a false report to get his wife's ex arrested, I am sure there are some I have forgotten.

Why is no one upset about his failure to comply (or whatever it is called)? He even gave a fake phone #, which I am pretty sure is illegal to do.