MD - Freddie Gray dies in police custody #3 *INDICTMENT*

[Goose22]

FWIW cannibinoids can be found in urine many days after use. It does not mean he recently partook in that particular activity.

I think this case will end up being used in training programs to highlight the dangers of following orders too closely IYKWIM. Or at least why getting medical attention for potentially injured arrestees/inmates is, ya know, ethical. I can't imagine any of these officers are walking out of this with their jobs and at this point I don't think they should.

 

[katydid23]

FWIW cannibinoids can be found in urine many days after use. It does not mean he recently partook in that particular activity.

I think this case will end up being used in training programs to highlight the dangers of following orders too closely IYKWIM. Or at least why getting medical attention for potentially injured arrestees/inmates is, ya know, ethical. I can't imagine any of these officers are walking out of this with their jobs and at this point I don't think they should.

What about the opiates? They do not stay in the blood system nearly as long as cannabis does. So I think he was high when he ran from the cops/

I don't think they are worried about their jobs at this point. They are concerned about their freedom and their criminal history.

 

[dandy]

another news outlet did a recent investigative report about the new seat belt policy.

it was sent to commanders on 4/14 and requires the new policies be read for 5 consecutive days at roll call.

http://www.abc2news.com/news/in-foc...e-grays-death-know-about-new-seat-belt-policy

 

[Peliman]

another news outlet did a recent investigative report about the new seat belt policy.

it was sent to commanders on 4/14 and requires the new policies be read for 5 consecutive days at roll call.

http://www.abc2news.com/news/in-foc...e-grays-death-know-about-new-seat-belt-policy

I've been curious about this policy, the cover story on page one reads the "Associated Press in Baltimore Sunday 19 April 2015 16.31 EDT"

Freddie Gray, 25, died on Sunday at a hospital, a week after he was hurt following an arrest.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/19/baltimore-man-injured-during-arrest-dies-week-later.

This is not exact dates and times but in a brief look this policy hadn't taken effect yet. hmm
Needs verified for accuracy. IMO

 

[ohreally]

I've been curious about this policy, the cover story on page one reads the "Associated Press in Baltimore Sunday 19 April 2015 16.31 EDT"

Freddie Gray, 25, died on Sunday at a hospital, a week after he was hurt following an arrest.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/19/baltimore-man-injured-during-arrest-dies-week-later.

This is not exact dates and times but in a brief look this policy hadn't taken effect yet. hmm
Needs verified for accuracy. IMO

I asked someone know in law enforcement about this. He says in his department that when they are given a new policy they have to sign a paper that states they know of, and understand the new policy. It seems logical to me that this practice is also in place in Baltimore. If any of the officers involved did not sign about their knowledge of the new policy, I don't see how they will be able to be internally held accountable.

 

[Peliman]

I asked someone know in law enforcement about this. He says in his department that when they are given a new policy they have to sign a paper that states they know of, and understand the new policy. It seems logical to me that this practice is also in place in Baltimore. If any of the officers involved did not sign about their knowledge of the new policy, I don't see how they will be able to be internally held accountable.

Yes IMO the more acceptable way to communicate a directive. I'm still very curious how this order was relayed and when.

 

[popsicle]

Prosecutors: Keep Freddie Gray trial in Baltimore - at least for now

Prosecutors say it's too early to decide if an impartial jury can be found for Freddie Gray case.

Also Friday, prosecutors filed a motion asking that four of the officers – Caesar R. Goodson, Sgt. Alicia D. White, Edward M. Nero and Garrett E. Miller – be tried together. The other two officers are William F. Porter and Lt. Brian W. Rice.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/freddie-gray/bs-md-freddie-gray-20150626-story.html

 

[bettybaby00]

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:thinking: found the link to mm's vogue layout. does this contradict the above motion?

“The unrest had nothing to do with my decision to charge,” says Mosby. “I just followed where the facts led.”

http://www.vogue.com/13274162/marilyn-mosby-baltimore-prosecutor/

She's not supposed to be posing for vogue spreads??!!!!

That pretty much sums her up for me. SMH

 

[K_Z]

In regards to the cannabinoids and opiates in the urine of FG at admission, it is possible to determine if the substances were used recently (within a short time before admission, minutes to hours), versus taken days earlier. The narrative does not discuss this, just that the results were positive, however, the lab results will be more specific for metabolites. Certain metabolites indicate recent use, others indicate remote use. It is also possible to identify heroin metabolites that are distinct from other narcotics.

We also don't know what the stomach contents were on admission, if they did any lavage after resuscitation, etc.

The point is, it will be quite easy to determine if FG's positive toxicology is from remote use, or use that shortly preceded his cardiac arrest and resuscitation. It just hasn't been released to the public.

Obviously if it was very recent use, and he was under the influence of both drugs at the time of arrest, that will be quite significant factual evidence.

 

[K_Z]

Massive new evidence dump in the Freddie Gray case.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=528&v=36Vru3hwZfA

Unable to embed because of formatting errors, but link should work.

Basically, the Washington Post story that originally quoted Donta Allen (in custody on the left side of the van partition) was correct. Donta Allen reported FG yelling, being extremely combative, and acting out, bashing himself around inside the van, before the leg irons were placed. DA stated he thought FG was trying to injure himself. Police investigators have video of the interview with Donta Allen, which the defense attorneys now have-- which will be very difficult for him to recant under cross examination. He has since recanted his original story on a news channel interview.

The Fox report also says none of the officers have turned on each other. They are standing shoulder to shoulder.

IMO, this is reasonable doubt, and will get Officer Goodson off the hook for the murder charge. Especially since Donta Allen also apparently said there was no "rough ride".

And as a side note, I read there were 9 shootings in BMore just today. The violence is escalating.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ci-shootings-20150629-story.html

But Prosecutor Marilyn Mosby seems to have lots of time for interviews with fashion magazines Vogue, Cosmopolitan, and Marie Claire. Basking in the glow, and more clearly inappropriate behavior, IMO. Stunningly unprofessional, IMO.

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/29420888/mosby-freddie-gray-case-fashion-magazine-interviews

 

[K_Z]

More about the evidence released to defense attorneys.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/evidence-in-freddie-gray-case-is-vast-and-varied/ar-AAckfkv

"The evidence list includes:

— Statements made by 15 civilian witnesses.

— 44 closed-circuit television videos and four cellphone videos.

— Photographs of a knife.

— Images of suspected blood found in the back of a police van.

— More than 8,000 pages of the accused officers' emails.

— Two binders detailing the Baltimore Police Department's investigation.

— Gray's autopsy report and photographs.

— Cellphone data connected to four of the officers.

The defense also received a list of 32 state's witnesses, including detectives, doctors and civilians. Among them is Kevin Moore, a West Baltimore resident who recorded part of Gray's arrest, helping to draw national media attention to the case."

 

[KEVINinTO]

Lots of interesting developments in this case today! So the WP report was correct after all (now they can issue a retraction to their retraction). I wonder if the ME was aware that Donta was recorded on video telling investigators that he heard FG banging against the walls of the van and that it was his belief that FG was trying to injure himself? If the ME was aware of this interview with Donta how could she possibly conclude that FG's death was at the hands of others when the only earwitness to the event suggests othewise?

I hope that the Defense team will dump as much of this discovery material online especially the full autopsy report. I'm interested to see what the knife looks like!

I wonder if the defense team can request a pre-trial hearing to consider the dismissal of all charges against the officers know that it appears the SA doesn't have a scintilla of evidence against them.

 

[dandy]

:waitasec: amazing the facts are not backing up initial statements and washington post had it correct. m/kelly has a replay of allen's interview with d/lemon and she said allen's interview with l/e was video'd. wonder if they'll put him in protective custody now?????

http://video.foxnews.com/v/43292364...tness/?playlist_id=938973798001#sp=show-clips

edit - in regard to mm requesting to try 2 together and then group the other 4 = can the defendants request individual trials?

edit again - baltimore sun's article on this http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...-ci-freddie-gray-evidence-20150629-story.html

 

[dandy]

Lots of interesting developments in this case today! So the WP report was correct after all (now they can issue a retraction to their retraction). I wonder if the ME was aware that Donta was recorded on video telling investigators that he heard FG banging against the walls of the van and that it was his belief that FG was trying to injure himself? If the ME was aware of this interview with Donta how could she possibly conclude that FG's death was at the hands of others when the only earwitness to the event suggests othewise?

I hope that the Defense team will dump as much of this discovery material online especially the full autopsy report. I'm interested to see what the knife looks like!

I wonder if the defense team can request a pre-trial hearing to consider the dismissal of all charges against the officers know that it appears the SA doesn't have a scintilla of evidence against them.

if i was l/e's atty - i'd ask for the grand jury transcripts 'cause i don't see that listed above. hopefully by the end of this week we'll see a motion to dismiss?

hopefully one of baltimore's news outlets will stop giving their spin on the information and pdf them so we can read them.

 

[bettybaby00]

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if i was l/e's atty - i'd ask for the grand jury transcripts 'cause i don't see that listed above. hopefully by the end of this week we'll see a motion to dismiss?

hopefully one of baltimore's news outlets will stop giving their spin on the information and pdf them so we can read them.

If I understand the process correctly, the DA (SA) is not required to offer exculpatory evidence to the GJ, hence the expression, "a GJ can indict a ham a sandwich."

However, what is not acceptable is the compliance &/or manipulation of the press which emphasizes bias Rather than facts. This then allows Mosby's determination to bring forth charges despite a lack of compelling evidence to go unchallenged. The Sun in particular put forth a great deal of "journalistic gymnastics" in retracting the Donta Allen story.

Much like the MB case, evidence suggested one outcome, but the powers that be prefered another. In cases where you have a victim, and you know another person(s) was somehow involved, the forensics will tell the story. Unfortunately, once the narrative is built, the angry citizens are no longer listening.

Wash, rinse, and repeat. It's becoming increasingly more difficult to ignore that the conflict is more important than the truth.

 

[KEVINinTO]

Defense: Mosby shouldn't do photo shoots if she's worried about Freddie Gray case publicity

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...-ci-gray-protective-order-20150630-story.html

"Issuance of a protective order is not necessary to preserve the integrity of the adversarial trial system," the attorneys wrote. "Rather, refraining from appearing in glossy magazines before the discovery process has begun may help abate the degree of media attention."

Since a protective order has not been issued yet - I wonder if the defense team would be able to release key evidence into the public domain or would such a move be considered not kosher while the issue of a protective order is before the courts? If there are no prohibitions currently they should IMO release the video of the police interrogation of Donta Allen along with the Autopsy report and pictures of the knife.

 

[dandy]

Defense: Mosby shouldn't do photo shoots if she's worried about Freddie Gray case publicity

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...-ci-gray-protective-order-20150630-story.html



Since a protective order has not been issued yet - I wonder if the defense team would be able to release key evidence into the public domain or would such a move be considered not kosher while the issue of a protective order is before the courts? If there are no prohibitions currently they should IMO release the video of the police interrogation of Donta Allen along with the Autopsy report and pictures of the knife.

thank goodness for those small boxes with related stories - yikes = she also did a cosmo interview!

Mosby also takes on "racist and nasty" Internet trolls that have come with her newfound prominence: "Especially in this position, you can't be guided by emotion. You can't be guided by public perception," she said. "You have to be guided by what is right. You have to be guided by the law."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/feature...trolls-in-cosmo-interview-20150623-story.html

cosmo article: http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/news/a42402/marilyn-mosby/

 

[popsicle]

Another piece of evidence notes an agreement with Officer Zachary Novak, who was the only officer present during the incident who was not charged with a crime. There is no explanation of what the agreement says.

http://www.officer.com/news/14024366/evidence-turned-over-in-freddie-gray-case

 

[dandy]

Another piece of evidence notes an agreement with Officer Zachary Novak, who was the only officer present during the incident who was not charged with a crime. There is no explanation of what the agreement says.

http://www.officer.com/news/14024366/evidence-turned-over-in-freddie-gray-case

"during the incident" = only present at the last stop???

At the Western District Police Station, the defendant arrested at North Avenue was unloaded, escorted, and secured inside of the police station prior to attending to Mr. Gray. By the time Officer Zachary Novak, Sgt. White and an unknown officer attempted to remove Mr. Gray from the wagon,

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/officers-statement-of-charges-in-freddie-gray-case/32772952

 

[bettybaby00]

Another piece of evidence notes an agreement with Officer Zachary Novak, who was the only officer present during the incident who was not charged with a crime. There is no explanation of what the agreement says.

http://www.officer.com/news/14024366/evidence-turned-over-in-freddie-gray-case

Whaaaaaaaat??? :crazy:

"during the incident" = only present at the last stop???

At the Western District Police Station, the defendant arrested at North Avenue was unloaded, escorted, and secured inside of the police station prior to attending to Mr. Gray. By the time Officer Zachary Novak, Sgt. White and an unknown officer attempted to remove Mr. Gray from the wagon,

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/officers-statement-of-charges-in-freddie-gray-case/32772952

So is the "unknown officer" Novak, or a different unidentified officer?

Also, not sure if this was posted from a couple of days ago.

Police recordings reveal orders officers received during Baltimore riots

Vid at the link

http://foxbaltimore.com/m/news/feat...ved-during-Baltimore-riots.shtml#.VZX75HD3arX

And lastly,

Baltimore hits midyear mark with 144 homicides

*Halfway through the year, Baltimore stands at 144 homicides, up 48 percent over last year.

*More than half of city's homicides this year have occurred in May and June.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...-6-month-homicide-numbers-20150630-story.html