MD - Phylicia Barnes, 16, Baltimore, 28 Dec 2010 #1

[Ms Suzanne]

It says in an article the dogs lost her scent in the parking lot?Where in the parking lot?


http://www.digtriad.com/news/local/a...54094&catid=57
Police brought search dogs to the apartment complex where the teen was last seen. but relatives say the dogs lost Phylicia Barnes' scent in the parking lot.

 

[cluciano63]

It says in an article the dogs lost her scent in the parking lot?Where in the parking lot?


http://www.digtriad.com/news/local/a...54094&catid=57
Police brought search dogs to the apartment complex where the teen was last seen. but relatives say the dogs lost Phylicia Barnes' scent in the parking lot.

From what I understand, they believe she was taken in a car from the lot, as the scent did not go any further than the lot.

 

[Cubby]

I wonder what exit route the dogs tracked Phylicia. IIRC those (that style building) are 3 story buildings with thin walls and thin floors. It's been years since I've been in a similiar style complex, but I recall being able to hear people walk down the hall from inside the apt/condo when the door to the home is closed.

School was out for the holiday. In such a large complex there is no way someone in that building and the surrounding buildings were unaware of something going on....

I do worry about someone with info possibly not calling it in due to concerns for their safety. I hope the family has alternative means of raising the reward.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

From what I understand, they believe she was taken in a car from the lot, as the scent did not go any further than the lot.

Thank you.That's what I was thinking too.I was just wondering where in the parking lot.Closer to where she was staying?or further away like she went to walk to get something to eat?She kept texting?calling her sister?to pick her up?Where was she?At the apt?Where were they going to go to?

I wonder if she could have called someone else to pick her up too?

 

[investigate1]

Nothing much new on NG show. Mother on the phone (I believe) was saying, PB wouldn't have gone back to sleep if she was waiting for her sister (KB) to pick her up to get her hair cut. Also, they re-capped from things that were already discussed. Nothing much new. Just, still not a trace of PB.

PB was (allegedly) calling her sister (KB) to pick her up to go to a hair appointment. PB was supposedly still in the apt at the time. Not certain the distance for parking lot.

 

[K9-Chaser]

From what I understand, they believe she was taken in a car from the lot, as the scent did not go any further than the lot.

Actually cluciano63, the scent would go further than the parking if taken in a car from the lot - it would go into the road and continue down the road. The scent is just not picked up by those particular K9's being used. It doesn't mean that those K9's are in any way inferior - just trained differently.

Here is a quick example of what I mean ... Let's say you have a athlete who runs track - specializing in the 100 meter run. Just because this person, who is trained to run, can do the 100 meter run does not mean that this person can competitively run a marathon, just as the marathon runner would not be able to sprint competitively like the 100 meter runner. Yes, they are both runners, but they do not train for the same work.

There are some people who believe that "a dog-is-a-dog-is-a-dog" which means all dogs are [work] the same. Just because they (LE, etc.,) used a K9 and didn't get the results they were hoping for, they may feel that there is no sense or need to try other K9 resources.

This is meant for just general help and certainly not scientific or specific - hope it makes sense / helps.

 

[KR2tonenow]

NG: covering PB asking deputy has new news from bloodhounds tracked outside city of Baltimore- nothing new - pulling all resources/FBI. Random searches and will focus on the people who last saw PB alive. Timeline: 12:30-1pm PB to go out to eat and maybe a haircut. Last time they heard from her.
Mother on phone: if she was going to get her hair done and she is going to get dressed, why would she lay down and fall asleep? She did not go and get something to eat. All her money and credit cards were left behind.

Me: Is it possible that PB was drugged by someone in the household? Has it been confirmed who stated that PB was asleep and have they taken a poly?

Mark Klauss- need to listen to mom. She knows her daughter. Take the timeline and LE has conducted an intense investigation. Mother says- PB a flower and compassionate, has no enemies. She is a wonderful person to know, and knows nothing about city life. She is a country girl that has been protected. Will be covering PB Wed nite on NG.

 

[Cubby]

Nothing much new on NG show. Mother on the phone (I believe) was saying, PB wouldn't have gone back to sleep if she was waiting for her sister (KB) to pick her up to get her hair cut. Also, they re-capped from things that were already discussed. Nothing much new. Just, still not a trace of PB.

PB was (allegedly) calling her sister (KB) to pick her up to go to a hair appointment. PB was supposedly still in the apt at the time. Not certain the distance for parking lot.

Thank you. I fully agree with PB's mother - she would have not gone back to sleep when the timeline is about an hour between the time she was awake and making calls for a ride and then half asleep saying she would wake up shortly. Not when someone is 16-energy abounds at that age and PB was clearly very excited about the visit.

I hope LE is looking into this 'alleged' hair appointment. Was PB on the book with an appointment... etc. etc.

I hope LE is closely scrutinizing the calls and electronics the 12-24 hours prior to PB's disappearance and the day of.

jmo

 

[georgiajean]

I agree. Though, I do think national media may help the responsible party or those with info on the responsible party 'fold'.

jmo

I agree. More pressure, up the ante, get someone to talk. Increase the reward, too!

 

[investigate1]

I hope LE is looking into this 'alleged' hair appointment. Was PB on the book with an appointment... etc. etc.

I hope LE is closely scrutinizing the calls and electronics the 12-24 hours prior to PB's disappearance and the day of.

jmo

Absolutely. Sister (KB) should be able to elaborate on if the appointment was actually made and location of appointment, being that PB was only visiting, some-one would have to make suggestions of a good spot to go and get hair done.

Phone records are going to play a key role. I wonder if they waited too late to ping being that PB mother didn't touch base until 8pm. However, I hope they can ping the other individuals cell phones.

It is my opinion that, they should check in destinations from, apt, all the way to where MJ's brothers reside. (check all surrounding areas where MJ's brothers reside).

 

[georgiajean]

It is my feeling that something happened to PB while MJ was inside of the apt. It's tough to say if it was in the middle of the morning or later on after DB went to work. I say this due to his behavior and he was the only one who was reporting PB's activity for the day in question. He also mentions 1:30 quite often. This leads me to believe it was around that time frame that this situation hit it's highest of heights.

I'm trying to give DB the benefit of the doubt that, she trusted MJ enough to leave PB alone in the apt. DB may have believed what MJ was reporting (until) she returned home from work, is when she put 2n2 together that something was seriously wrong.

Once she discovered something was wrong, I'm certain she attempted to grill her boyfriend MJ is (why) she waited so long to call PB's mother. I think DB was trying to get answers from MJ and discovered his side of the story wasn't adding up.

DB and MJ, along with certain other individuals are keeping their FB/twitter sites etc..on lock down and are low keyed/tight lipped. It is my belief that due to how close MJ is with some of his family members, he had assistance in relocating PB. I think it's logical to focus on the last person who actually saw PB, then, move outward to other individuals. I think most people who went in and out of the apt were mainly family members and some close knit friends. 9 out of 10, one of MJ's family members (probably) showed interest in PB. Remember that, most of the guys loved to smoke and drink (which at times) can make a person's behavior bold.

Short air-time on NG

Lot of good stuff here! Thanks for posting. I find it odd that DB left PB with MJ (starting to sound like a sandwich order, with all the initials...) when DB and MJ had supposedly broken up, and MJ was supposed to be moved out of the apartment by Jan. 1st. Was that a lie, so that JS would allow PB to come visit? Perhaps JS wouldn't have allowed it if MJ was still living there? IDK.

And I agree with the MJ family member showing interest in PB. I vote for the younger, high school age brother myself, but it could be any of them. It's a big family, lot of siblings, cousins, uncles, nephews.

 

[georgiajean]

It says in an article the dogs lost her scent in the parking lot?Where in the parking lot?


http://www.digtriad.com/news/local/a...54094&catid=57
Police brought search dogs to the apartment complex where the teen was last seen. but relatives say the dogs lost Phylicia Barnes' scent in the parking lot.

IIRC, in front of the apartment, where cars park off the street.

 

[georgiajean]

I wonder what exit route the dogs tracked Phylicia. IIRC those (that style building) are 3 story buildings with thin walls and thin floors. It's been years since I've been in a similiar style complex, but I recall being able to hear people walk down the hall from inside the apt/condo when the door to the home is closed.

School was out for the holiday. In such a large complex there is no way someone in that building and the surrounding buildings were unaware of something going on....

I do worry about someone with info possibly not calling it in due to concerns for their safety. I hope the family has alternative means of raising the reward.

DB's apartment is on the ground floor. A basement apartment. That would make it easy, IMO, for someone to get her out of there without anyone seeing. No stairs to go down, no other doors to pass...

 

[investigate1]

And I agree with the MJ family member showing interest in PB. I vote for the younger, high school age brother myself, but it could be any of them. It's a big family, lot of siblings, cousins, uncles, nephews.

I totally agree!!!

 

[georgiajean]

The apartment is 6000 block of Eberle Dr, Baltimore, MD 21215
If you go onto Google Maps, you can go to street view, and see how the parking and the apartments are arranged. The doors open to short sidewalks that go to the main sidewalk, where cars can park.
I don't have the know how to post a picture here for everyone, so can anyone else do that?

 

[Soulmagent]

I used bing. And I am not great at resizing stuff.

 

[georgiajean]

I used bing. And I am not great at resizing stuff.

That's better than the picture I was seeing on Google. Wow. Thank you so much.

 

[Cubby]

DB's apartment is on the ground floor. A basement apartment. That would make it easy, IMO, for someone to get her out of there without anyone seeing. No stairs to go down, no other doors to pass...

Not sure about elsewhere but in Chgo, those are called 'garden apartments' or an 'English basement' in a single family home. A unit which has above the ground at ground level windows but one must walk down steps to walk into the units entry. Noise reducing but for those with kids who know the sounds in the entire building maybe not as 'incognito' as those going in and out thought.

hmmm

 

[Soulmagent]

Most of these buildings I have seen have 3 apartments in what would be the ground floor ,it is really below ground (maybe 3 foot) level but on must walk down a set 4 or so steps to get to the apartments. This level would have 3 apartments , the levels 2,3 and or 4 would have 4 each 2 on each side.

All tenants would use the same main entry and sidewalk to the stairs and anyone walking out of a ground apartment to the sidewalk would be just a visable as anyone else leaving the building. unless it was to someone who was going up the stairs as they were coming out ,they may only see half of a person but they would hear.



The steps would be hollow in the middle of the risers so in some buildings you can even see under you.


I dont know for sure if PB sisters apartment building is set up like that but most I have seen are unless they do have 4 apartments at the bottom.

So if the apartment building was filled. Thats alot of people who have to all enter and exit from the same entry. Toss in that this pattern of apartment is repeated (same building different entry ) over a few times leaving from other entries which dont look far away. Somebody just hasnt figured out they saw something or isnt talking on purpose.

We should be able to get the floor plan of the apartment from the listing for rentals.

 

[investigate1]

I am puzzled to the fact that, if (KB) knew she had to pick up PB for hair appointment or even if KB knew PB was trying to make a hair appointment, why didn't KB drive to the apt once she knew she was having trouble contacting her sister PB?

I don't believe MJ and DB were leaving their apt door unlocked. I think too much illegal stuff go on in there for them to leave the door unlock. Having said that, If MJ knew PB was going to grab something to eat or go shopping, why would he just leave? If PB was going to grab something to eat while MJ was gone, she would have had to leave the door unlocked to get back in; and on the same token, if PB was going to grab something to eat, she would have taken her money with her. Could there have been one more person in the apt? Certainly, if MJ left the apt while PB was still asleep, he would have locked the door. If someone stopped by after the fact, PB would have- had to open the door. She was smart enough not to open the door for a stranger but, (perhaps for a family member). Does MJ own a vehicle? Does he even have a j-o-b? (I would think that MJ would have went with PB to grab something to eat).

At 5pm, the timing is off. I thought at 5pm MJ and DB text one another and MJ says that PB is up and active. Yet, it has been stated that DB got home from work at 5pm.

I can't be certain if some-one was sending text from PB's phone earlier that day, due to the fact that (the activity/conversation/text) was about KB (coming over) to pick PB up for hair appointment. It would seem as (if) who ever was in the apt, (wouldn't) want for KB to come over if something had already happened to PB, unless, they needed help in making PB disappear. Yet, it still can be (possible) that some-one was sending the text.

There's NO-WAY PB would have typed on FB she was hungry and going get something to eat, then, instead fall back to sleep that fast (to the point she's mumbling to MJ) that she's going to wake up soon and go get something to eat.

MJ's story has too many inconsistencies. Just don't add up. Not logical at ALL. People lie for a reason. Next is, figure out how (possible suspect) MJ and some-one else got PB out of the apt. PB is located at a place where these people are familiar with. The brothers have a wild reputation.