MD - Phylicia Barnes, 16, Baltimore, 28 Dec 2010 #5

[Sun48shine]

There are two younger brothers that I know of. Are you referring to the youngest bro, who spent the night there on the 27th (the 16 yr old) or the 18 yr old? It's important to me, because I have all these notes from social networking sites, and I can look back to check some things if I know which one it was.
Thank you very much.

Yes, the youngest brother (16 yr old) who spent the night. He would walk a long way over to the apartment and take the dog outside frequently. I am not sure when he started staying at the apt.

 

[georgiajean]

Yes, the youngest brother (16 yr old) who spent the night. He would walk a long way over to the apartment and take the dog outside frequently. I am not sure when he started staying at the apt.

Thank you.

 

[Sun48shine]

There are two younger brothers that I know of. Are you referring to the youngest bro, who spent the night there on the 27th (the 16 yr old) or the 18 yr old? It's important to me, because I have all these notes from social networking sites, and I can look back to check some things if I know which one it was.
Thank you very much.

One thing I noticed in the Washington Post article is that it referred to KB's job as assistant manager of a childcare center in Columbia. I believe we previously thought she worked in Washington D.C., which is much further away. In Columbia, KB was only been about 25 minutes from the apartment. If she were in D.C. she would have been 45-60 minutes away, depending on traffic.

WJZ TV Channel 13 mentioned on television that Kelly worked in D.C. A lot of the media has been listing incorrect information. One Baltimore Sun article mentioned that the father's name was Reginald. Just like story of the girl who went to the shelter on Guilford Ave who they thought was Phylicia. The girl who went to the shelter was from North Carolina too, had some facial characteristics like Phylicia, but was a little heavier in weight. Who knows where this girl is?

 

[sophclown]

Police Have A New Plan To Search For Phylicia Barnes


http://www.wsoctv.com/news/27339602/detail.html

 

[georgiajean]

With the 90 day anniversary today, many news articles on PB.
Here is a collection:

http://www.wfae.org/wfae/1_87_316.cfm?action=display&id=7120

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/03/28/1952758/students-hold-vigil-for-missing.html

In addition, several published reports indicate Baltimore police plan another major search in early April. WSOC-TV says the search will focus on a heavily wooded area in Baltimore. Police say the search is not based on any new leads. Rather, they say, it is the result of detectives' hunches and experience in this type of case.

BPD Press release from today. AG introduces the new lead detective.
Phylicia Barnes missing person case update, Recorded on 3/28/2011 Baltimorepolice on USTREAM. Local News
I will transcribe later today when I get a chance.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/27339602/detail.html Short 15 second video attached to article.

Baltimore police found drugs and alcohol in the residence, and say several men had been in and out of the apartment. Police said there is no physical evidence in the case, and no more leads to investigate.

 

[BACH50]

For clarification of me changing my Facebook screen name, I changed it back in February after several of us on the Praying for Phylicia Barnes page were naming MJ, his brothers, cousins and friends by their names, as suspects. Shortly after that, several of their friends started requesting me as a friend. Since I am from Baltimore, I didn't want them to track my address down.

I have been passing out flyers throughout various communities in surrounding counties and I dropped off flyers at the Reisterstown Road Plaza. I was talking to one of Phylicia's relatives today. He has searched so many areas, but with no luck. This week, I went out searching surrounding counties, but no luck either. We are trying to keep her case from going cold because so many young females have disappeared in Maryland within the past year and no more searches have been done on them. Here is some news that I just learned about. MJ is trying to keep his little brother quiet because he said that MJ did not come back to the apartment in the evening hours. PB liked the little brother. MJ works somewhere in downtown Baltimore around Russell Street.

Thanks Sun48shine,
I said in an earlier post that PB liked the younger brother and that her friends hesitated on the PEAS interview when asked about her liking someone in Baltimore. I also mentioned in an earlier post that the younger brother twitted on his twitter account to someone that day the 28th that his phone battery died in between the hours of 12-2pm giving this as a reason for him not communicating. I too believe that the younger brother knows what happen and is being told by MJ and others not to say anything.

I think the cousin that lived there wanted a piece of the action and is the one who made a pass at PB, and this is where the heart of the crime lies.
I believe that PB was lured by them to get something to eat and thought that it was an innocent gesture. Maybe the younger brother was there the whole time, I can't see him leaving her there with MJ and the cousin alone.
Are we certain that:
The younger brother left the apt. that morning?
The cousin actually went to work?

LE knows that MJ stories are very conflicting and that is most likely why he lawyered up.
PB was sleep on the couch, or that she went to get something to eat?
Her phone battery was dead, yet he saw her phone vibrate or ring and could identify who was calling her?
Cousin said that the recieption was bad at the apt. yet lil'brother stated on twitter that his battery was dead?

Why was MJ not sleep when he returned from work that morning? Why was he doing laundry?

Also there are pics on FB somewhere, where you can see a bottle of liquor on the table that appears to be inside the apt.

Why wasn't anyone arrested due to the drugs found in the apt.???
This is what is puzzling me? Drugs, alcohol with a couple of minors present, someone should be in jail?

I thought that MJ's name was on the lease so why haven't they arrested him or someone like DB or cousin for the things they found? This case is a mess, and soon and very soon that lil'brother will end up telling someone and they will start singing.

I still can't believe DB lived like this, there is something totally wrong with this pic?
Poor JS, I know she wants to hurt a few people right about now.
I can't believe how DB's mother, aunt, and grandmother are posting on FB how close and descent this family was. Yet there were several men at the apt. constantly, and drugs and alcohol present with minors????

I was not happy with PEAS during the interview with DB, and KB because they wanted the callers to be gentle with them. That is most likely why DB and KB haven't been on NG. NG will not be gentle with them, she will tell them how irresponsible they were, especially DB. They are part of this problem and they should not be left alone. Maybe if the media and others put more pressure on DB then maybe she will give us more of an insight as to what type of character these men in her life living with her were????

 

[BACH50]

Thanks Georgiajean for posting the Press Conference video.
I am paying close attention to what the detective says.
CIRCUMSTANTIAL VS. SUBSTANTIAL
They seem to know what happen and possibly have narrowed it down to a couple of POI's yet they don't have the substantial evidence needed. However they seem to be sure that if they continue with the circumstantials they will break this case soon?

This is what I got from this detective. Maybe I am hearing things but the detective seems to think exactly like the way we are thinking, they just need hard core evidence, and they seem to think that will come when they finally find PB?

What do you all think
CIRCUMSTANTIAL VS. SUBSTANTIAL????

 

[cluciano63]

I think they need a confession...I don't see how anything substantial can be ascertained without someone talking...and a fully-circumstantial case without find her is not going to be strong enough.

 

[Falconi]

One of the reasons PB's mother is so very angry, and rightfully so, is that she was assured by DB that the ex bf would be moved out by the time PB arrived.
Evidently they lied to her and I don't blame her for being so upset about that.

Thanks Sun48shine,
I said in an earlier post that PB liked the younger brother and that her friends hesitated on the PEAS interview when asked about her liking someone in Baltimore. I also mentioned in an earlier post that the younger brother twitted on his twitter account to someone that day the 28th that his phone battery died in between the hours of 12-2pm giving this as a reason for him not communicating. I too believe that the younger brother knows what happen and is being told by MJ and others not to say anything.

I think the cousin that lived there wanted a piece of the action and is the one who made a pass at PB, and this is where the heart of the crime lies.
I believe that PB was lured by them to get something to eat and thought that it was an innocent gesture. Maybe the younger brother was there the whole time, I can't see him leaving her there with MJ and the cousin alone.
Are we certain that:
The younger brother left the apt. that morning?
The cousin actually went to work?

LE knows that MJ stories are very conflicting and that is most likely why he lawyered up.
PB was sleep on the couch, or that she went to get something to eat?
Her phone battery was dead, yet he saw her phone vibrate or ring and could identify who was calling her?
Cousin said that the recieption was bad at the apt. yet lil'brother stated on twitter that his battery was dead?

Why was MJ not sleep when he returned from work that morning? Why was he doing laundry?

Also there are pics on FB somewhere, where you can see a bottle of liquor on the table that appears to be inside the apt.

Why wasn't anyone arrested due to the drugs found in the apt.???This is what is puzzling me? Drugs, alcohol with a couple of minors present, someone should be in jail?

I thought that MJ's name was on the lease so why haven't they arrested him or someone like DB or cousin for the things they found? This case is a mess, and soon and very soon that lil'brother will end up telling someone and they will start singing.

I still can't believe DB lived like this, there is something totally wrong with this pic?
Poor JS, I know she wants to hurt a few people right about now.
I can't believe how DB's mother, aunt, and grandmother are posting on FB how close and descent this family was. Yet there were several men at the apt. constantly, and drugs and alcohol present with minors????
I was not happy with PEAS during the interview with DB, and KB because they wanted the callers to be gentle with them. That is most likely why DB and KB haven't been on NG. NG will not be gentle with them, she will tell them how irresponsible they were, especially DB. They are part of this problem and they should not be left alone. Maybe if the media and others put more pressure on DB then maybe she will give us more of an insight as to what type of character these men in her life living with her were????

BBM-

I'm in total agreement katydid23!


Bach50, you deserve a standing ovation!!!
We've been tiptoeing around this issue and it has now been 3 months since PB has disappeared. The case is stuck pending more evidence.

There needs to be PUBLIC OUTRAGE at this point.

Hand-holding, coddling, and singing koom by ya (sp?) has done NOTHING to bring this child home.

Where is the PUBLIC OUTRAGE? We've been beat over the head with the slogan, "It takes a village to raise a child." Well, it takes a village all right. It takes a village to demand justice.

I'm sickened by the hypocrisy involved in this case. PB did not deserve to be surrounded by filthy vice, she did not deserve to be taken, and did not deserve her fate, at ALL.

Yet there are those who cultivated filth, rolled around in it, and are being cajoled ad nauseum.



What sense does this make?


LE, we plead to you, please arrest someone for something. It's high time and be sure that the case will move forward by leaps and bounds once the right party is in LE custody.

To those that would insult the public's intelligence, and tug at the heart strings because you can right now. Remember just that.

You can-right now. The tide is turning, and Truth is about to wash ashore.

For the person(s) that's catching alot of heat right now:

Aren't you tired of being maligned in the media?
You've been made to be a scapegoat. Whatever oath you've taken, it means nothing to the public at large. You're getting grilled and the person(s) who planned this with you, or discussed this with you is going unscathed. In fact, they may even be doing an Internet blitz on you.

Why should you go down by yourself? There are others who are just as complicit.

Go to LE today and remove this heavy burden that has been laid squarely at your door.

CONFESS.

Tell every bit of what happened, and tell LE where to locate PB. I won't lie to you, there are consequences, but at least the Truth will be out there and you won't be weighed down by it anymore.

The Truth belongs to all of us, including you.

Please, tell LE YOUR Truth. Let them know exactly what happened, who knows, and who helped you.

Get it all out TODAY. TODAY, not tommorrow because when they find Phylicia, it will go very hard on you and the others.

Be the first one to talk and muse over a possible plea. Don't do it for anyone else, do it for yourself. Aren't you the one facing the heat, now?

The clock is ticking...

 

[georgiajean]

I have added my own comments, in bold, within your post.

Thanks Sun48shine,
I said in an earlier post that PB liked the younger brother and that her friends hesitated on the PEAS interview when asked about her liking someone in Baltimore. (I have thought the same thing. It was a deafening hesitation.) I also mentioned in an earlier post that the younger brother twitted on his twitter account to someone that day the 28th that his phone battery died in between the hours of 12-2pm giving this as a reason for him not communicating. I too believe that the younger brother knows what happen and is being told by MJ and others not to say anything.(Can we call the two younger brothers "16" and "18" in our posts so we know who we're referring to? I think it is going to be very important to keep them separated, now that the media has released the info about "16". I know 18 had his battery die, but I have not seen any reference to 16's phone.)

I think the cousin that lived there wanted a piece of the action and is the one who made a pass at PB, and this is where the heart of the crime lies.
I believe that PB was lured by them to get something to eat and thought that it was an innocent gesture. Maybe the younger brother was there the whole time, I can't see him leaving her there with MJ and the cousin alone.
Are we certain that:
The younger brother left the apt. that morning? (All we know is MJ was supposed to pick 16 up --DB, Peas interview, and MJ alleged that he did pick 16 up-- MJ, Find PB FB now closed)
The cousin actually went to work? (All I know is from social networking, he posted about being at work starting around 9 am. Do not know if he actually showed up--could be a ruse.)

LE knows that MJ stories are very conflicting and that is most likely why he lawyered up.
PB was sleep on the couch, or that she went to get something to eat?
Her phone battery was dead, yet he saw her phone vibrate or ring and could identify who was calling her?
Cousin said that the recieption was bad at the apt. yet lil'brother stated on twitter that his battery was dead?
(Actually, 30 (older brother of MJ) said the reception was bad (post on Find PB FB, now closed) in the apartment, and 18 said his battery was dead (twitter))
Why was MJ not sleep when he returned from work that morning? Why was he doing laundry? (Further, did he work the night of the 27th? 18 indicated he got hammered with MJ that night, so I really wonder)

Also there are pics on FB somewhere, where you can see a bottle of liquor on the table that appears to be inside the apt. (I have seen many pictures of party scenes at that apartment, as well as the homes of other family members, always with several underage relatives there, partying along with the adults)

Why wasn't anyone arrested due to the drugs found in the apt.???
This is what is puzzling me? Drugs, alcohol with a couple of minors present, someone should be in jail?

I thought that MJ's name was on the lease so why haven't they arrested him or someone like DB or cousin for the things they found? This case is a mess, and soon and very soon that lil'brother will end up telling someone and they will start singing.

I still can't believe DB lived like this, there is something totally wrong with this pic?
Poor JS, I know she wants to hurt a few people right about now.
I can't believe how DB's mother, aunt, and grandmother are posting on FB how close and descent this family was. Yet there were several men at the apt. constantly, and drugs and alcohol present with minors???? (It seems like the family has normalized drug and alcohol use as what young people do, and do not see it as a problem? Perhaps they are in the mind set that if they are doing it at home, they are safe? Or that the elders have no control over it, so may as well accept it? I don't know, but it really stinks. If the elders were in outrage, maybe someone would crack. But as long as the elders in the family continue in the vein they are in, I question whether anyone will talk)

I was not happy with PEAS during the interview with DB, and KB because they wanted the callers to be gentle with them. (I couldn't agree more. It was only under pressure, from the one caller who insisted on trying to pin down KB on a day, that things started to be revealed, in my opinion.) That is most likely why DB and KB haven't been on NG. NG will not be gentle with them, she will tell them how irresponsible they were, especially DB. They are part of this problem and they should not be left alone. Maybe if the media and others put more pressure on DB then maybe she will give us more of an insight as to what type of character these men in her life living with her were????

 

[cluciano63]

I've been disgusted from the start that P's sister put her into this hornet's nest, or whatever she had going on at that apartment.

I wonder if MJ is totally covering up for his cousins/brothers? And that is why his story sounds so phony?

 

[georgiajean]

I think this is everyone who has been named/mentioned.
PB--Missing Person
DB--older half-sister, person PB was staying with.
KB--Other older half-sister, lived 10 min. away.
BB--Older half-brother, lived in B'more, firefighter.
RB--Father to all of the above. Lived in Atlanta, relocated to B'more since December 29th.
JS- PB's mom. Lived in NC. Relocated to Atlanta to be near family.
M--PB's stepfather, JS's husband.
SS--PB's older sister who lives with NC family. She has a young son. PB confided in her on the 27th about the drugs, alcohol, and someone making a sexual advance at her. Also told SS about being uncomfortable with all the men in and out.
MJ- Former boyfriend of DB. They were together for 10 years. Was supposed to move out by Dec. 31 as per an agreement with DB. He was on the lease. Last person to acknowledge seeing PB. Was with PB when she stopped responding to her cell phone.
30- MJ's older brother. Posted info on Find PB FB page, now closed.
18--MJ's brother. Frequent visitor to the apartment, communicated with PB on social networks.
16--MJ's brother. Stayed at the apartment the 27th
21--MJ's male cousin, who was a room mate at the apartment.
22--MJ's male cousin, brother to 21. Live near apartment.
XX -- MJ's "new" girlfriend, who has been with MJ for at least a year, if not longer. on NG it was revealed that DB asked PB to sleuth pictures of this person and MJ, because MJ had asked to get back together. PB found the picture and shared it with DB, before PB's phone stopped being answered.
(There is also a 20 yr old brother, who has not been mentioned anywhere. Frequent visitor to apartment.)

 

[georgiajean]

Press Conference Transcript
BBP 3-29-2011

Anthony G (spokesperson for BPD) introduces new lead Detective in case. Sgt Billy Simmons.
AG- Today is 3 months since PB went missing. Sgt. Simmons will update us.
BS- Morning Today is the 3 month anniversary of the disappearance of PB. Our investigation has not stalled. We continue to press forward with help from the FBI. Unfortunately the tips that we are getting, the number, have diminished. Over the past several months, we have only had about 5 tips come in. Circumstantially we feel like we are pressing forward and going in the right direction. We still lack substantial physical evidence to find out what happened to PB. But we continue on a daily basis to be in contact with her mother, Ms. Janice Sallis, and her father, Mr. Russell Barnes, as well as her stepfather, Mr. Mustafa. Det. Nickolson is the primary detective, he speaks to them daily. So we continue to hold hope that we can find out what happened to PB and bring her home safely to her family. Thank you.

Reporter Question: Is there anything out there at all that would indicate she is still alive?
BS- I can't say substantially that there is anything to indicate she is still alive, but we still, you know, hold out hope. She was 16 at the time she went missing. There has been no activity on facebook, cell phone, anything like that, that a normal teenager, if they were still out there, not being held against their will, or anything happened to them, would be using on a daily basis.

RQ - Have you guys narrowed down a list of suspects that may be connected with this?
BS- We were provided a list of approximately 25 people that had access to the apartment. We have either spoken to or ruled everyone out on that list.
Circumstantially, we feel like we are moving in the right direction. There is no one person that stands out much more than any others, but we are focusing our investigation in the right direction.

RQ- Do you feel confident there will be (??? forensics? resolution? evidence? an end??) in this case? Someday?
BS- I would hope to say yes.

RQ-Is there a search effort planned? We've been hearing about that for weeks.
BS- We have conducted numerous searches since day one. We will continue to conduct searches when the need arises, in hopes of finding out where PB is.
AG- Thanks guys.

(Emphasis is what I heard in the speakers' voices, bolded)

 

[georgiajean]

Thanks Georgiajean for posting the Press Conference video.
I am paying close attention to what the detective says.
CIRCUMSTANTIAL VS. SUBSTANTIAL
They seem to know what happen and possibly have narrowed it down to a couple of POI's yet they don't have the substantial evidence needed. However they seem to be sure that if they continue with the circumstantials they will break this case soon?

This is what I got from this detective. Maybe I am hearing things but the detective seems to think exactly like the way we are thinking, they just need hard core evidence, and they seem to think that will come when they finally find PB?

What do you all think
CIRCUMSTANTIAL VS. SUBSTANTIAL????

I have been pondering this all day. Now that I've transcribed the presser, I still am pondering it.
Circumstantial--makes me think they think they know what happened, they have pieced the puzzle together. There is enough there that they have the frame and the general picture.
Substantial evidence--makes me think that they don't have enough glue to keep the pieces from falling apart in front of a grand jury/judge. What evidence they have is small, weak, etc. IMO.

I think it is quite significant that LE has not wavered, since day one, in saying "there is no one person who stands out more than the others." To me, this is LE saying that PB's disappearance was a joint effort, LE knows it was a joint effort, and there is not one person who is going to take the fall for everyone else. Seems like a big hint to anyone thinking they are going to skate away because "family before anything."

 

[cluciano63]

I'm sorry, I will never understand 25 people having access to a grown woman's apartment, ever...unless she is a "working girl" and even then, they would not have "access" unless she let them in. What does "have access" mean? Did they all have keys??

 

[georgiajean]

I'm sorry, I will never understand 25 people having access to a grown woman's apartment, ever...unless she is a "working girl" and even then, they would not have "access" unless she let them in. What does "have access" mean? Did they all have keys??

A definition given by LE in a previous presser of POI's for this case is:

In this case we are calling POI anyone who had a relationship to the apartment, or was an associate of PB, or a close associate of a person who was an associate.. That list is about 12.

Above is from BBP presser, 2-2-11

The list of 25 was anyone who had access to the apartment in the last six months. With three 20-something adults living there, I can easily see 25. That's about 8 each. Take into account the holidays, and that there are ten close relatives alone of MJ's, the number 25 isn't unreasonable, in my opinion. The 12 POI's are the people who could have stopped by that day, and includes DB and KB, MJ, 16, 18, Cousin 21, Cousin 22, other brother 20, other brother 30... That's nine people right there. I can make a few guesses about the other three, but can't list them.

 

[BACH50]

I guess I am just old fashion, and from the old school, because I would never have that many people it and out of my house. Even when my grown nephew stayed with me for a little while he knew better than to have different people especially males in and around my house. My home was not to be exposed in that kind of manner.

My mother never allowed us to have company in our home like that anyway. I came from a large family lots of brothers and sisters but you never saw many people from the outside in our home (only relatives). Maybe on the front but never inside of our house.

These kids today don't think anything of it, they think that me casa es su casa!!!!!!
Not where I come from. Even today my family knows that you just don't bring anyone over to each others house??? Especially males around young women???? Its called respect. My nephews can role around with their so called boys, but their boys can't come inside my house. Even my younger great nephews no better than that.

The more I hear about this family (Barnes) the more I see that they can't be anymore different from JS and her family. Poor JS she only wanted her daughter to know the family from which she came, and now it has cost her so much........

 

[cluciano63]

I guess my question is about the term "had access to." People may come and go in an apartment, apparently in astonishing quantities, but I think of access as having a right to go in and out at will.

 

[georgiajean]

I guess my question is about the term "had access to." People may come and go in an apartment, apparently in astonishing quantities, but I think of access as having a right to go in and out at will.

I think I see what you are getting at. I believe "had access to the apartment" means they either had a key, or were close to someone who had a key, and it would not have been unusual for them to be at the apartment or stop by the apartment. That is my opinion, based on what LE has said. Hopefully some more posters will weigh in on this.

Here's another quote from LE:

"There’s no smoking gun. There are people of interest, but there’s no one person that’s of more interest than the others at this point,” said Major Terry McLarney, Head of Homicide. “It would be anyone who’s close to Phylicia who had access to the apartment, and that list would run to a dozen people.”

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com

And another:

Authorities have repeatedly questioned a dozen people who they said had access to Deena Barnes’s basement apartment, including Deena’s ex-boyfriend, the last known person to see Phylicia alive.

http://annyjacoby.wordpress.com/201...m-baltimore-a-month-ago-police-have-no-leads/

 

[BACH50]

I guess my question is about the term "had access to." People may come and go in an apartment, apparently in astonishing quantities, but I think of access as having a right to go in and out at will.

Not good, not good at all!!!!!
Everytime I hear or read LE make the statement about the number of people that had access to this apt. it sounds so disgusting to me. This is no kind of way for any young lady to live, especially with a minor such as PB visiting.

Man, I wish I could talk to JS, I would have so many questions and concerns.
Which I am sure she has had an ear full already?

One way of looking at this word "access" just think about how many people have access to your house? No matter how many other people live there, how many actually have access?????