MD - Phylicia Barnes, 16, Baltimore, 28 Dec 2010 #5

[georgiajean]

BBM

In terms of intentional, I would say that the culture and environment surrounding PB in Bmore was intentional.

It was intended that PB be freed from all of her inhibitions and innocence. It was intended that she "have a good time,"and "open up." It was intended that she play the role of her sister's "twin."


It's rather interesting that in JS's surely all too brief discussion with db about PB's going missing, that the subject of drug and alcohol use comes up.

(respectfully snipped by me)

BBM--yes, this is well put. I think the media (and definitely the B'more family) has tiptoed around this. The B'more family is so willing to focus on the J-family, without looking at any other situations/events/people. I don't think the drug and alcohol use in that home was an incidental, coincidental, harmless thing. The lies and deceit that led to PB being left alone in that apartment with 1, 2, and possibly 3 men is NOT incidental.

 

[cluciano63]

BBM

The person that PB spoke with, are they "in the circle?"

My personal belief is that mj and his crew/fam were the "clean-up committee." I really hate to word it that way, but everything seems too convenient for "the circle."

Praying that the TRUTH, whatever it may be and PB are revealed soon. She's really tugging at alot of people's hearts, and how could anyone think that they could get away with her disappearance?!

People get away with these types of crimes far too often...just look at all of the missing women here on the boards who have never been found, no charges, etc...sometimes it seems more unusual when the person is actually found

 

[BACH50]

I am not really feeling the overdose theory, but date rape drug sounds possible. Also how could PB been able to look on FB and communicate with DB about MJ's pics on FB. LE has not in any way lead us to believe that PB disappearance had anything to do with an overdose nor have they lead us to believe that PB was not well and communiciating on the 28th. So if anything was given to her it was given to her once she left the apt.?
I can't see the POI's faking the entire morning of the 28th. PB was alive and well communicating in a usual manner, making plans for the afternoon. Somewhere around 11:00 or 12:00 things took a turn for the worst, and then she was taken from the apt.
Forced or not? No one knows?????

 

[RavenTrue]

I am not really feeling the overdose theory, but date rape drug sounds possible. Also how could PB been able to look on FB and communicate with DB about MJ's pics on FB. LE has not in any way lead us to believe that PB disappearance had anything to do with an overdose nor have they lead us to believe that PB was not well and communiciating on the 28th. So if anything was given to her it was given to her once she left the apt.?
I can't see the POI's faking the entire morning of the 28th. PB was alive and well communicating in a usual manner, making plans for the afternoon. Somewhere around 11:00 or 12:00 things took a turn for the worst, and then she was taken from the apt.
Forced or not? No one knows?????

I seriously doubt a male could have faked the communications from PB that day concerning getting her hair done. Also doubt, even if she was inclined, she would take a pill that day as she had plans.

The biggest flaw I see in this theory is now that the drug use has been exposed...why not just reveal that she OD? That would be far preferable to being a murder suspect. :waitasec:

 

[cluciano63]

I don't think LE has a clue as to what happened to P as far as overdose, accident, or whatever...how could they, if no one will tell them anything and they said there was no sign of foul play in the apartment? I don't see how they can have more than just theories, as we do here. They don't even seem to know if she left the apartment under her own power.

If the only people who know are all related, they may never tell. If someone else knows, maybe there is a chance.

 

[investigate1]

I agree with much of the above. I'm really having a hard time with a possible OD theory - unless it happened on Tuesday the 28th as a result of something someone slipped to Phylicia. I can't see Phylicia willingly taking something prior to expecting KB. She spoke with someone in the AM. LE has specifically asked the public to focus on the events that Tuesday. I believe if they were unable to confirm PB was alive Tuesday morning they would be asking the public for information on anything unusual for a time range, not a specific day.

It does make me wonder if someone did slip something to PB either with bad intentions or due to adolescent behavior thinking it would be funny to play a trick on her and then something happened which caused panic and then a cover up.

I always keep in mind that from the time line on the 28th, that we know PB to be 'awake and active', truly was from the time that MJ allegedly arrives 2nd time that morning, to the apt; which was 10-ish am.

From the time MJ arrived back to the apt, each of the cell phones were being used almost constantly. Almost, like trying to bargain or plea (imo). It was entirely too many taking place (panic fashion). There wasn't THAT much to discuss THAT early in the morning, unless something wasn't right.

We can say that each activity was staged that morning. However, I think we would have seen more panic in the middle of the morning. Each person was totally (normal) with-in their behavior patterns in the middle of the morning. However, the morning/afternoon was completely out of control.

In the middle of the morning of the 28th, even the tweets were calm and relaxed, as in regular. Explosive, and (degrading) tweets against females didn't begin until PB lost phone contact and the rest is history.

 

[investigate1]

I seriously doubt a male could have faked the communications from PB that day concerning getting her hair done. Also doubt, even if she was inclined, she would take a pill that day as she had plans.

The biggest flaw I see in this theory is now that the drug use has been exposed...why not just reveal that she OD? That would be far preferable to being a murder suspect. :waitasec:

True. I believe that (if) this case twist a certain way, this type of defense might be thrown to the court. I don't think LE wants that to happen. Yet I fear that with life continuing as it is, and with new crimes happening everyday, Some might get a little disinterested in PB's case. Not because they don't care, but because they must be available to assist in solving other crimes.

The quicker, the better it will be to solve this case. Lets continue to remain dedicated, while being safe and staying as healthy as possible.

 

[investigate1]

(respectfully snipped by me)

BBM--yes, this is well put. I think the media (and definitely the B'more family) has tiptoed around this. The B'more family is so willing to focus on the J-family, without looking at any other situations/events/people. I don't think the drug and alcohol use in that home was an incidental, coincidental, harmless thing. The lies and deceit that led to PB being left alone in that apartment with 1, 2, and possibly 3 men is NOT incidental.

I have read where both sides of the families, B's and J's, at least one on each side have used code talk that, yes, indeed PB may have drink and smoked; to the degree that it was very little to harmless.

Please do not misunderstand my words. I know those types of decision making is very irresponsible (but) pointing out the fact that PB wasn't hooked or feening (I think it's called), to deeply indulge as in habit forming. (Maybe do it just one time, very limited, on one occasion, night time, with her sister present, PB probably didn't see the big deal or hype of it all and went right back to being PB. Which means, PB would not have willingly smoked or drink or went ANYWHERE (willingly) with those young men. The young men probably tested PB after knowing that she smoked a small amount and drink a little. PB probably still kept composure of herself and the guys probably thought that she wouldn't. PB was disturbed about the young men actions and then decided to call her sister in NC and explain her (now) uncomfortable environment at that time!!! All it takes is for something like that to take place (uncomfortable sexual advances), and things can go down hill abruptly!!! Ego's, not being able to handle rejection, jealously etc..these are deadly sins...NOT SAYING this is indeed what took place in this situation. However, same game, different faces, different day and time; It IS What It Is. I don't see the need to make it any more difficult than what it is. (I was a knuckle head when I was younger) yet I always believed in education). I drink and smoked at times, just enough to keep a kind of level head but the guys would always be somewhere watchin and talkin and I was watchin them watch and talk, which made me hurry up and stop smokin and drinkin.

Yes, some say DB is being eaten alive by her conscious and perhaps by guilt. She never wanted harm to come cross PB's path. I believe DB learned one of the hardest lessons ever. (Choice Making).

 

[Cubby]

I always keep in mind that from the time line on the 28th, that we know PB to be 'awake and active', truly was from the time that MJ allegedly arrives 2nd time that morning, to the apt; which was 10-ish am.

From the time MJ arrived back to the apt, each of the cell phones were being used almost constantly. Almost, like trying to bargain or plea (imo). It was entirely too many taking place (panic fashion). There wasn't THAT much to discuss THAT early in the morning, unless something wasn't right.

We can say that each activity was staged that morning. However, I think we would have seen more panic in the middle of the morning. Each person was totally (normal) with-in their behavior patterns in the middle of the morning. However, the morning/afternoon was completely out of control.

In the middle of the morning of the 28th, even the tweets were calm and relaxed, as in regular. Explosive, and (degrading) tweets against females didn't begin until PB lost phone contact and the rest is history.

Great post. I seem to recall an 11am verbal conversation between DB and PB, so my mind goes back to the 11. (someone please correct me if my my recollection is inaccurate). IF (and this is speculation) MJ or someone in his circle slipped something to PB we have an approximate 10-12:30 window for the drugs to take effect. It's a bit hinky that after the last 'verbal' communication there was an hour and a half of texts which MJ could have staged. Or, if some kind of drug effect was taking place perhaps DB noticed a change in PB's communication style. Or what really occured between 11am and 12:30pm?

I assume LE has the pings/phone records, and can check if both MJ's and PB's cells were active at the same time. That should include everyone and anyone who was at the apartment... based on where the cell phones pinged.

I'm still leaning towards a sexually based offense committed against PB by MJ as my top theory, but am not ready to rule out the possibility of an accidental overdose occuring by something PB was unaware she had been given and occuring late that morning.

Another thing that strikes me is PB was not a regular tenant. Not a neighbor tenants may have been accustomed to seeing on somekind of regular schedule or routine basis. Is it possible MJ brought women to the apartment while DB was at work and the neighbors not wanting to stick their nose into what they thought was not their business mistook PB, if they saw her, for one of MJ's flavors of the day or week?

I'm also curious if MJ's current gf had her own place. And if she did WHY MJ wouldn't have chosen to move out prior to the end of the month if he could have gone to his new flames place? Why choose to stay through the end of the month? Either he had some ideas about PB ahead of time, or he was being a stickler about having paid his portion of the rent through the 31st.

JMO

 

[Cubby]

I'm sure there is a big piece of the puzzle here in the conversation PB had with her sister in NC. I'm certain that is why LE has requested the specifics of this conversation not be made public. Communication between PB and someone in NC who had no reason to speak with MJ or any of circle would like corroborate the 'part of the story' LE is getting.

I am a bit disappointed the brother of DB and KB went through PB's computer. I don't know if that destroyed any potential evidence by smearing finger prints etc.... hopefully not as LE would know what times and when he was using PB's computer....

Continuing to pray for a break in this case. Hopefully it is much closer to happening than the public knows.

 

[Cubby]

Yes, some say DB is being eaten alive by her conscious and perhaps by guilt. She never wanted harm to come cross PB's path. I believe DB learned one of the hardest lessons ever. (Choice Making).

Respectfully snipped. I agree DB never wanted harm to cross PB's path. I'm afraid if this case is not solved choices made will be haunting both DB and KB for a lifetime.

 

[Falconi]

Great post. I seem to recall an 11am verbal conversation between DB and PB, so my mind goes back to the 11. (someone please correct me if my my recollection is inaccurate). IF (and this is speculation) MJ or someone in his circle slipped something to PB we have an approximate 10-12:30 window for the drugs to take effect. It's a bit hinky that after the last 'verbal' communication there was an hour and a half of texts which MJ could have staged. Or, if some kind of drug effect was taking place perhaps DB noticed a change in PB's communication style. Or what really occured between 11am and 12:30pm?

I assume LE has the pings/phone records, and can check if both MJ's and PB's cells were active at the same time. That should include everyone and anyone who was at the apartment... based on where the cell phones pinged.

I'm still leaning towards a sexually based offense committed against PB by MJ as my top theory, but am not ready to rule out the possibility of an accidental overdose occuring by something PB was unaware she had been given and occuring late that morning.
Another thing that strikes me is PB was not a regular tenant. Not a neighbor tenants may have been accustomed to seeing on somekind of regular schedule or routine basis. Is it possible MJ brought women to the apartment while DB was at work and the neighbors not wanting to stick their nose into what they thought was not their business mistook PB, if they saw her, for one of MJ's flavors of the day or week?

I'm also curious if MJ's current gf had her own place. And if she did WHY MJ wouldn't have chosen to move out prior to the end of the month if he could have gone to his new flames place? Why choose to stay through the end of the month? Either he had some idea about PB ahead of time, or he was being a stickler about having paid his portion of the rent through the 31st.

JMO

BBM

The pings are exactly what would prove or disprove the timeline and theories that we've posted here.

I believe that mj was having his cake and eating it, too. Why should he move out, if there's no pressure from db? They're partying and all, plus she knows about the other girl. mj was there because db wanted him to be there. IMO

Truth be told, we're all digging for truth and we're all on the outside looking in.
(At least I think so...)

Whatever the motive, intention, or action, there is a cover-up going on, folks. We just don't know who all is involved, for certain.

Facts are facts.

Given all of the things I've seen online, I can totally see PB being the victim of a predator. Then again, given all of the things I've seen online, I can also totally see "PANIC" after PB may have OD'd. (If she OD'd.)

The good news is that this is a forum where we all can share our opinion without having to worry about being chastised, reprimanded, or fed kool-aid.

As GJ has mentioned so many times before-

Truth Will Out.

 

[Cubby]

Yes, true on the outside of the building looking in...... however doing so is ensuring people know the public is still very interested and very concerned about PB's case. And that those covering up and choosing not to speak what they know are assured this case is NOT going away until PB is found and receives the justice she so rightfully deserves. I hope PB comes to them in their nightmares each and every night.

 

[BACH50]

LE knows more than what we know. Remember they cross-examined and interviewed the POI's. It is very difficult for everyone to have their stories add up with each others let alone add up with the phone records, text, and pings.

Why was MJ with others at the apt. on the evening of the 27th when PB and DB arrived home from work?

Why did PB have to tell DB that MJ was there again on the morning of the 28th? Why didn't MJ communicate this to DB himself?

There was a predator amongst those guys, and I am leaning towards the cousin.

What made the predator strike on the 28th, was it premeditated, and if so how far in advance?

LE stated in an recent interview that they have a set of officers that they have assigned specifically to this case, so they may tell the public that they don't have any NEW leads, but they have a case and a good one they just need to get the how together?

I believe that the neighbors knew that PB was their visiting since the 17th through the holidays. Remember DB and PB went shopping and bought a xmas tree. There was also a dog to be tended to there as well.

 

[RavenTrue]

BBM

LE knows more than what we know. Remember they cross-examined and interviewed the POI's. It is very difficult for everyone to have their stories add up with each others let alone add up with the phone records, text, and pings.

Why was MJ with others at the apt. on the evening of the 27th when PB and DB arrived home from work?

Why did PB have to tell DB that MJ was there again on the morning of the 28th? Why didn't MJ communicate this to DB himself?

There was a predator amongst those guys, and I am leaning towards the cousin.

What made the predator strike on the 28th, was it premeditated, and if so how far in advance?

LE stated in an recent interview that they have a set of officers that they have assigned specifically to this case, so they may tell the public that they don't have any NEW leads, but they have a case and a good one they just need to get the how together?

I believe that the neighbors knew that PB was their visiting since the 17th through the holidays. Remember DB and PB went shopping and bought a xmas tree. There was also a dog to be tended to there as well.

:goodpost:

 

[FrostByte]

I think now would be a good time to re-post PB's forensic astrology chart that was completed for her months ago. Many people new to this thread and PB's case may have not seen it since it was posted on a few threads back. Here is the link: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117801&page=7

 

[georgiajean]

Reposting
BPD's twitter feed
http://twitter.com/#!/BaltimorePolice

BPD's web page
http://www.baltimorepolice.org/

 

[FrostByte]

The next search for PB has been scheduled for this Saturday at a undisclosed location but it will be in a heavily wooded area. I am soliciting all prayer warriors to come together and pray that there are results in this search so that justice can finally be served and JS can have some closure. This case has been very emotional to me, for all of us, and I am hoping and praying that questions are finally answered and everyone can start the healing process. It has indeed been a rollercoaster of emotions for everyone! JUSTICE FOR PHYLICIA BARNES! GOD Bless. Here is the link:http://www.foxbaltimore.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wbff_vid_7192.shtml?wap=0

 

[georgiajean]

BPD Presser 4-7-2011
Baltimore Police Update, Recorded on 2/21/1980 Baltimorepolice on USTREAM. Local News

First part of presser
Anthony G., police spokesperson:
Search planned for this weekend. Not going to give out too many details. Media will be covering the event. For the integrity of the investigation, BPD will not be releasing details about where.

Then there's a long bit about a scam, unrelated to PB.

Then AG came back and continued.
AG- I want to give some limited information about a very very large search that we are planning for this weekend. In conjunction with the search we are going to be doing a canvassing effort. This is all in relation to the PB investigation. We have been in contact with our law enforcement partners across the state, even the FBI. And we are going to be searching a wooded area in metro B'more this coming Saturday. Details have been provided to your news directors for planning purposes. We are asking news agencies not to publicize the location of this site, for protection of the integrity of the investigation. In addition to that we are looking for public assistance. We would like members of the public who would like to help out. We are looking to form a very large canvassing effort in the area of Reisterstown Plaza where PB was last seen by friends and relatives.

IN the last two months we have only gotten 5 tips. 5 tips have come into our hot line. All the tips that have come in, which is in the area of about 180 to 200 tips, all have been investigated, they have all been determined to be unfounded. We are putting tremendous resources behind this effort. We are going to have roughly 200 members of the community canvassing, going door to door, putting flyers on cars trying to generate as much intelligence as possible so that we can properly investigate the case.

In addition to that, we will have this search effort in this wooded area. It will be led by B'ore city homicide, the FBI, our partners in…All the surrounding counties have been involved, state police, department of natural resources police…it will be a very extensive effort. Your news directors have been provided with the information, but we are asking, please, for the integrity of the investigation, that you not publicize it

Reporter Question: Does this area have significance?
AG- It does have some significance. I can’t go into too much specifics, but through our investigation we identified this as an area of interest. It was associated with one of the POI’s that we talked to, one of the 30 individuals who last saw PB.. This location was identified as a location we needed to search. We have searched this area once before, and the winter got in the way and the frozen ground and snow limited our ability to search further. Now we are going to be doing a mass search.

RQ- Is the hot line still running?
AG- The hot line is very much still alive… excuse me, it is very much up and running. 855 223 0023 Dedicated solely to PB. Over the last two months we have only gotten five tips.

RQ- Do you still have the same number of people also working this case? Before you said at some point it would be difficult to maintain that same level….
AG--That squad, that homicide squad that started this case is still working this case. Our resources expand and contract based on intelligence and the needs of the investigation. They are in daily communication still with PB's mom and dad and family members and friends. We are really pleading…we know there are people out there that know more than they have possibly shared with police. We are asking those individuals, if you know any information about this case, please come forward. Again, your news directors will be provided the specific details and the media staging area later today, and we are asking-- pleading --that you not publicize that.

RQ- You are going to have 200 volunteers, citizens who are going out…how did you guys gather up those people to be volunteers?
AG--They are volunteers. They are members of local universities, they are members of local church groups, We are asking Anyone interested in volunteering, contact the BPD public affairs office 410 396 2012 also access social networking—facebook, twitter, email. However you can get in contact with us. We are looking to compile additional volunteers As many apartments, houses, and cars in the area. Anyone who lives in that area that may have some information, we need some help.
Thanks.

 

[georgiajean]

When I view the post I just put up, with the video press release, I see three video windows in my post. Is this a glitch with my computer, or do you all see three video windows in my post, too?