Found Deceased ME - Lisa Cox, 30, Brunswick, 19 Oct 2015

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I think when people envision someone hanging from a tree due to suicide, they immediately picture the person hanging from high up in the tree.....and as such, how could someone kill someone then hoist them up a tree and secure them to a branch to give the appearance of suicide? .....but I do believe the victim was rather short, only 5'3"............and technically one doesn't have to be up that far in a tree to hang themselves, just has to be a distance high enough up so that their feet can't possibly touch the ground. Her BF looks pretty tall in comparison to her. Just speaking in general but I don't see how it would take all that much work/effort to kill someone, wrap a rope/noose around their neck then hoist them up using the rope over a strong tree branch - just enough so that their feet can't touch the ground.

There have been suicides where the person was on the ground, with a rope tied to something and around their neck, and simply leaned forward. They black out and their body weight does the rest. More of a strangulation than hanging, but referred to by both terms. So she may not necessarily have been found hanging off the ground. And in that case, it really could be a suicide, and a fairly easy one... she wouldn't necessarily have had to find a tree she could climb or something to stand on.

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[GrilledCheezy]

There have been suicides where the person was on the ground, with a rope tied to something and around their neck, and simply leaned forward. They black out and their body weight does the rest.

Yep. Actor David Carradine and INXS frontman Michael Hutchence immediately come to mind.

 

[bluesneakers]

I think when people envision someone hanging from a tree due to suicide, they immediately picture the person hanging from high up in the tree.....and as such, how could someone kill someone then hoist them up a tree and secure them to a branch to give the appearance of suicide? .....but I do believe the victim was rather short, only 5'3"............and technically one doesn't have to be up that far in a tree to hang themselves, just has to be a distance high enough up so that their feet can't possibly touch the ground. Her BF looks pretty tall in comparison to her. Just speaking in general but I don't see how it would take all that much work/effort to kill someone, wrap a rope/noose around their neck then hoist them up using the rope over a strong tree branch - just enough so that their feet can't touch the ground.

She wouldn't even have to be that high. People hang themselves in closets, curtain rods, on doorknobs, bedposts, etc. She could have done it without climbing the tree at all.

If she'd been strangled the killer might have just tied a belt around her neck and looped it around a branch or something. But then he or she would have followed her or had to drag her body and I think there would be obvious evidence.

 

[Yvettea]

Still you wouldn't have to go out in the rain in 30° weather without shoes to hang yourself by leaning forward until you were unconscious. I've never heard of anyone doing that.

 

[Hexe]

There have been suicides where the person was on the ground, with a rope tied to something and around their neck, and simply leaned forward. They black out and their body weight does the rest. More of a strangulation than hanging, but referred to by both terms. So she may not necessarily have been found hanging off the ground. And in that case, it really could be a suicide, and a fairly easy one... she wouldn't necessarily have had to find a tree she could climb or something to stand on.

So Lisa left the house without phone, shoes, coat, or glasses despite being practically blind withouth them. and this practically blind, shoeless woman went to the woods, at night, found proper tree and hung herself.

Nope. This scenario still does not look probable, no matter how hard I look at it. I could buy it if it wasn't for her poor eyesight and lack of shoes, in a wooded terrain and very low temps.

I hope the LE is not buying it either.

 

[bluesneakers]

Still you wouldn't have to go out in the rain in 30° weather without shoes to hang yourself by leaning forward until you were unconscious. I've never heard of anyone doing that.

Sometimes suicide is an impulsive action.

 

[cvaldez1975]

I had an inmate do that. I didn't find him but he was in my jail. I actually went to school w him as a kid. he murdered a girl and burned her car w her in the trunk. he was facing trial so he did it w his socks and shelf in his cell.

There have been suicides where the person was on the ground, with a rope tied to something and around their neck, and simply leaned forward. They black out and their body weight does the rest. More of a strangulation than hanging, but referred to by both terms. So she may not necessarily have been found hanging off the ground. And in that case, it really could be a suicide, and a fairly easy one... she wouldn't necessarily have had to find a tree she could climb or something to stand on.

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[cvaldez1975]

if she just leaned forward after typing something around her neck, and she was done w life and didn't care if she was cold and her feet hurt, it is plausible.

So Lisa left the house without phone, shoes, coat, or glasses despite being practically blind withouth them. and this practically blind, shoeless woman went to the woods, at night, found proper tree and hung herself.

Nope. This scenario still does not look probable, no matter how hard I look at it. I could buy it if it wasn't for her poor eyesight and lack of shoes, in a wooded terrain and very low temps.

I hope the LE is not buying it either.

 

[pittie_mcclure]

if she just leaned forward after typing something around her neck, and she was done w life and didn't care if she was cold and her feet hurt, it is plausible.

Yes I just read up on a case where a young woman tied three different strings very tightly around her neck then drove in water. Suicide.they even convicted two men of her murder despite their innocence because people just couldn't believe somebody would commit suicide this way. Or the woman who tied string around her neck then the railing and went down the stairs in a seated position one by one until she became unconscious. Self strangulation happens and it's hard for most of us to conscieve. It's hard for me. Suicide is often impulsive and can look suspicious.

I don't know what happened here. Changing stories always makes me go hmmm, that's for sure.

 

[bluesneakers]

So Lisa left the house without phone, shoes, coat, or glasses despite being practically blind withouth them. and this practically blind, shoeless woman went to the woods, at night, found proper tree and hung herself.

Nope. This scenario still does not look probable, no matter how hard I look at it. I could buy it if it wasn't for her poor eyesight and lack of shoes, in a wooded terrain and very low temps.

I hope the LE is not buying it either.

If I were there and I knew she was vulnerable or at risk I would take this as a huge warning sign that she was in danger. Why would a person leave the house without those things? She knew she didn't need them.

 

[bluesneakers]

I had an inmate do that. I didn't find him but he was in my jail. I actually went to school w him as a kid. he murdered a girl and burned her car w her in the trunk. he was facing trial so he did it w his socks and shelf in his cell.

Sandra Bland used a plastic trash bag in her cell.

It's not as hard as people think it is.

 

[Hexe]

if she just leaned forward after typing something around her neck, and she was done w life and didn't care if she was cold and her feet hurt, it is plausible.

Okay, but what about her poor eyesight? Without glasses, in the dark, how she was able even to get to these woods, let alone to find a proper tree and place a rope on the branch? How was she able to tie the knot, if she saw practically nothing?

 

[bluesneakers]

Okay, but what about her poor eyesight? Without glasses, in the dark, how she was able even to get to these woods, let alone to find a proper tree and place a rope on the branch? How was she able to tie the knot, if she saw practically nothing?

What was her vision like without her glasses? Did she use a rope?

I assume there were lots of trees and she would have no trouble finding one.

 

[shefner]

Mick Jagger's girlfriend strangled herself on a door knob...so you don't have to be high up in a tree. But Lisa was hanging in a tree. That's what the report has said. Don't know how high up she was...but the point is she was found hanging in a tree. Is that going to be the way a young lady is going to end it all...if she is barefooted and blind? No calling a friend...or going through the house to wake someone up?

How is it that this couple had an ugly argument and no one heard it...or got up to check on things? After all, they were back on Lisa's old stomping grounds. Surely she had more friends that he did in this location.

I don't get up in the night to walk across the room to the bathroom without my glasses on....I simply cannot imagine Lisa leaving that house without hers.

 

[shefner]

What was her vision like without her glasses? Did she use a rope?

I assume there were lots of trees and she would have no trouble finding one.

It was reported that without her glasses, she could see practically nothing. She had to have them....

 

[bluesneakers]

Mick Jagger's girlfriend strangled herself on a door knob...so you don't have to be high up in a tree. But Lisa was hanging in a tree. That's what the report has said. Don't know how high up she was...but the point is she was found hanging in a tree. Is that going to be the way a young lady is going to end it all...if she is barefooted and blind? No calling a friend...or going through the house to wake someone up?

How is it that this couple had an ugly argument and no one heard it...or got up to check on things? After all, they were back on Lisa's old stomping grounds. Surely she had more friends that he did in this location.

I don't get up in the night to walk across the room to the bathroom without my glasses on....I simply cannot imagine Lisa leaving that house without hers.

That's why I asked about her vision. I can go for a walk, and could possibly ride my bike without mine, but I couldn't drive without them on.

 

[shefner]

That's why I asked about her vision. I can go for a walk, and could possibly ride my bike without mine, but I couldn't drive without them on.

Right, I understand....it was written in an article that her loved ones said she could not see at all without her glasses. Why would she even have them off to begin with? You know what I mean?

I never take my glasses off while walking around the house or moving from room to room. I have them off in the shower and once I get into bed, I remove them. That's it. So why would Lisa have her glasses off while arguing with her BF? If you are angry, you might walk outside but you would need your glasses to find the dang doorknob! Also, most people keep their cell phones with them non-stop...especially if you are stepping out.

It was reported the BF said he went into the garage. This is almost a spontaneous utterance....he did go into the garage...to get a rope.

I just re-read an article from last night and it states that the wardens found Lisa, "Hanging in a tree." So I'm not sure what else she could have used except a rope but I suppose you could find other things to use, if you had your glasses on.

I would be curious to see the bottoms of her feet. She was found in a wooded area, barefooted. So would that not hurt? Would you not think, I need my shoes? If she knew she would need a rope, then I would think she would bring along her glasses, shoes and perhaps phone also. So these things do not jive to me. If she remembered the rope, then she would bring along her glasses.

If she didn't get her glasses, how did she find the rope she would need...and where did she get it...and how did she make her way into the woods without being able to see, at all?

The autopsy may say she committed suicide, but I'm not buying it. I think its murder.

 

[shefner]

Another thing I am thinking....I am a pastor's wife and have been for over 31 years. We have seen our fair share of suicides, but not among very religious people. Most people who are devout do not believe in suicide. So after reading her FB page, I have trouble with thinking she would kill herself. Its certainly possible, but less likely, imo.

 

[bluesneakers]

Right, I understand....it was written in an article that her loved ones said she could not see at all without her glasses. Why would she even have them off to begin with? You know what I mean?

I never take my glasses off while walking around the house or moving from room to room. I have them off in the shower and once I get into bed, I remove them. That's it. So why would Lisa have her glasses off while arguing with her BF? If you are angry, you might walk outside but you would need your glasses to find the dang doorknob! Also, most people keep their cell phones with them non-stop...especially if you are stepping out.

It was reported the BF said he went into the garage. This is almost a spontaneous utterance....he did go into the garage...to get a rope.

I just re-read an article from last night and it states that the wardens found Lisa, "Hanging in a tree." So I'm not sure what else she could have used except a rope but I suppose you could find other things to use, if you had your glasses on.

I would be curious to see the bottoms of her feet. She was found in a wooded area, barefooted. So would that not hurt? Would you not think, I need my shoes? If she knew she would need a rope, then I would think she would bring along her glasses, shoes and perhaps phone also. So these things do not jive to me. If she remembered the rope, then she would bring along her glasses.

If she didn't get her glasses, how did she find the rope she would need...and where did she get it...and how did she make her way into the woods without being able to see, at all?

The autopsy may say she committed suicide, but I'm not buying it. I think its murder.

Knowing where the rope was ahead of time suggests to me she had a plan. She wouldn't think "I need my shoes" if she were suicidal and frantic. It would all be "Get the rope and get out" and nothing else was important. In that state and feeling so desperate she might not even notice if her feet hurt or if she were cold. What if she were worried about someone following her and trying to stop her? In that case she had no time to think about glasses or shoes or a coat. If she stepped out with the intention of going to kill herself whatever she left behind doesn't matter.

I'm not saying I know what happened. I'm saying I can easily see how this might have been suicide. IMO everything we know so far fits with the conclusion.

 

[bluesneakers]

Another thing I am thinking....I am a pastor's wife and have been for over 31 years. We have seen our fair share of suicides, but not among very religious people. Most people who are devout do not believe in suicide. So after reading her FB page, I have trouble with thinking she would kill herself. Its certainly possible, but less likely, imo.

Was she depressed? Did she have a history of depression, or other mental illness? What about previous suicide attempts?