Found Deceased ME - Lisa Cox, 30, Brunswick, 19 Oct 2015

[shefner]

Was she depressed? Did she have a history of depression, or other mental illness? What about previous suicide attempts?

I don't know. I read back through her FB page...and to me she seemed lonely before she met her BF. She implied her relationship was an answer to her prayers, so it could be that she put a lot of herself in the relationship.

Maybe I have too much suspicion. I still don't believe Rebecca Zahau committed suicide...

 

[bluesneakers]

I don't know. I read back through her FB page...and to me she seemed lonely before she met her BF. She implied her relationship was an answer to her prayers, so it could be that she put a lot of herself in the relationship.

Maybe I have too much suspicion. I still don't believe Rebecca Zahau committed suicide...

Funny. I'm the opposite. Maybe from personal experience or maybe from reading about too many suicide cases.

I don't like to think of her as sad though, or having her heart broken by the person she believed was the answer to her prayers.

And of course it's even worse to think he killed her.

 

[Hexe]

Right, I understand....it was written in an article that her loved ones said she could not see at all without her glasses. Why would she even have them off to begin with? You know what I mean?

I never take my glasses off while walking around the house or moving from room to room. I have them off in the shower and once I get into bed, I remove them. That's it. So why would Lisa have her glasses off while arguing with her BF? If you are angry, you might walk outside but you would need your glasses to find the dang doorknob! Also, most people keep their cell phones with them non-stop...especially if you are stepping out.

The newest version of events says that Lisa and her boyfriend had an argument, after which she entered house, he went to the garage and never saw her again.

Now, that suggest they were outside, probably getting out of a car. Why, on Mother Earth, would Lisa be outside without her shoes, glasses, coat and cell in the first place? In the night, during cold weather? It makes no sense.

It was reported the BF said he went into the garage. This is almost a spontaneous utterance....he did go into the garage...to get a rope.

Yes it is.

I just re-read an article from last night and it states that the wardens found Lisa, "Hanging in a tree." So I'm not sure what else she could have used except a rope but I suppose you could find other things to use, if you had your glasses on.

And without her glasses on, hanging herself in a tree would be very difficult.

If she didn't get her glasses, how did she find the rope she would need...and where did she get it...and how did she make her way into the woods without being able to see, at all?

Exactly.

The autopsy may say she committed suicide, but I'm not buying it. I think its murder.

So do I.

 

[bluesneakers]

The newest version of events says that Lisa and her boyfriend had an argument, after which she entered house, he went to the garage and never saw her again.

Now, that suggest they were outside, probably getting out of a car. Why, on Mother Earth, would Lisa be outside without her shoes, glasses, coat and cell in the first place? In the night, during cold weather? It makes no sense.



Yes it is.



And without her glasses on, hanging herself in a tree would be very difficult.



Exactly.



So do I.

Where do you get the probably getting out of a car? They could have been arguing inside, she ran outside and he went after her to continue the argument, or prevent her from leaving in the car. Then she went inside the house (to get the rope or whatever she used) while he went into the garage.

 

[Hexe]

Where do you get the probably getting out of a car? They could have been arguing inside, she ran outside and he went after her to continue the argument, or prevent her from leaving in the car. Then she went inside the house (to get the rope or whatever she used) while he went into the garage.

I'd say that probability of her, leaving in a car, without the glasses on, was pretty low. And he couldn't go after her, if he went into the garage, and she entered house. Right?

But yes, it is possible, that their argument started inside, then got outside for some reason.

 

[bluesneakers]

I'd say that probability of her, leaving in a car, without the glasses on, was pretty low. And he couldn't go after her, if he went into the garage, and she entered house. Right?

But yes, it is possible, that their argument started inside, then got outside for some reason.

Exactly. So if she were going to leave in the car without her glasses he would want to stop her. If someone you knew was upset, not wearing glasses or shoes and about to get in the car to leave wouldn't you step in to stop her, maybe take away the keys?

 

[mayqueen]

I don't believe Lisa took her own life. And cases like this really concern me, because I've battled depression my entire life, and if this happened to me many people would just say "Oh, she was depressed? Case closed!"

I'm starting to feel like I need to make a list of Things I'd Never Do in case I'm ever murdered and posed as a suicide. I'm as blind as Lisa (maybe more so), and I'd never leave the house without my glasses. Never.

I truly hope that LE is investigating thoroughly (and I have no reason to believe they're not).

ETA: I don't mean to suggest that Lisa had a history of depression, I haven't read anything indicating she did. If she didn't, even more reason to doubt the BF's story! I was moreso commenting on my own personal fears based on what I've seen happen in other cases.

 

[shefner]

Exactly. So if she were going to leave in the car without her glasses he would want to stop her. If someone you knew was upset, not wearing glasses or shoes and about to get in the car to leave wouldn't you step in to stop her, maybe take away the keys?

Sure...and I would go wake up our friends who live in the house and alert them. And if I was truly concerned I would call Law Enforcement.

Apparently the boyfriend did neither. The friends called police the following morning when they saw the boyfriend was there but Lisa wasn't. Big red flag, waving in the air.


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[Hexe]

Exactly. So if she were going to leave in the car without her glasses he would want to stop her. If someone you knew was upset, not wearing glasses or shoes and about to get in the car to leave wouldn't you step in to stop her, maybe take away the keys?

But he didn't. She supposedly left home, as blind as a bat without her glasses, dressed inappropriately to the weather and shoeless, and he went to sleep. It was the friends who alerted the LE, in the morning. As Shefner wrote, it's a huge red flag.

 

[nothingnew]

Embarrassing personal question to any eyeglass wearing people that don't mind answering. When you're being intimate do you wear your glasses? Even just kissing my glasses are getting ditched. Also someone mentioned that the fight was about cigarettes-does anyone know where that information came from?

 

[bluesneakers]

Sure...and I would go wake up our friends who live in the house and alert them. And if I was truly concerned I would call Law Enforcement.

Apparently the boyfriend did neither. The friends called police the following morning when they saw the boyfriend was there but Lisa wasn't. Big red flag, waving in the air.


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To me the flag says he wasn't concerned. He was probably tired of fighting and let her run off, assuming she'd be back because it was cold, she wasn't wearing her glasses, and she wasn't wearing her shoes. Why would he think she was going to go kill herself? I'm still unsure about previous attempts or if he would take her threatening to seriously, but I agree he could have done more to help her.

As of right now, imo, he is a victim and not a suspect.

 

[mayqueen]

Embarrassing personal question to any eyeglass wearing people that don't mind answering. When you're being intimate do you wear your glasses? Even just kissing my glasses are getting ditched. Also someone mentioned that the fight was about cigarettes-does anyone know where that information came from?

My glasses are off during intimate activity, including kissing.

 

[Hexe]

To me the flag says he wasn't concerned. He was probably tired of fighting and let her run off, assuming she'd be back because it was cold, she wasn't wearing her glasses, and she wasn't wearing her shoes. Why would he think she was going to go kill herself? I'm still unsure about previous attempts or if he would take her threatening to seriously, but I agree he could have done more to help her.

As of right now, imo, he is a victim and not a suspect.

I can understand that he might haven't been concerned at first. But as the time passed by, his concern should grow.

 

[shefner]

To me the flag says he wasn't concerned. He was probably tired of fighting and let her run off, assuming she'd be back because it was cold, she wasn't wearing her glasses, and she wasn't wearing her shoes. Why would he think she was going to go kill herself? I'm still unsure about previous attempts or if he would take her threatening to seriously, but I agree he could have done more to help her.

As of right now, imo, he is a victim and not a suspect.

He is the one claiming she has some type of "temperament" issue....so if I felt my loved one had an issue, I would be more than concerned.

In addition, I would be very worried if that person didn't have their glasses and I knew they couldn't do anything without them. People may not understand but I do...I can't do anything without mine. I can't see down the hall, make out what's on TV or determine what's in the driveway....I truly am totally dependent on glasses (or contacts). So the fact she really needed them and they were left at home makes no sense.

And they were outside fighting? Then why weren't Lisa's glasses on out there? It makes no sense.

How could you go to bed knowing your girlfriend left without her shoes or glasses or any type of coat...after you were fighting? I mean, you can't keep that level of intensity for very long. Sooner or later, you simmer down. And if she wasn't back home, there is no way I could sleep. Especially if we are visiting in a friend's home....

 

[bluesneakers]

He is the one claiming she has some type of "temperament" issue....so if I felt my loved one had an issue, I would be more than concerned.

In addition, I would be very worried if that person didn't have their glasses and I knew they couldn't do anything without them. People may not understand but I do...I can't do anything without mine. I can't see down the hall, make out what's on TV or determine what's in the driveway....I truly am totally dependent on glasses (or contacts). So the fact she really needed them and they were left at home makes no sense.

And they were outside fighting? Then why weren't Lisa's glasses on out there? It makes no sense.

How could you go to bed knowing your girlfriend left without her shoes or glasses or any type of coat...after you were fighting? I mean, you can't keep that level of intensity for very long. Sooner or later, you simmer down. And if she wasn't back home, there is no way I could sleep. Especially if we are visiting in a friend's home....

I agree and I would have been more concerned and either followed her or said something to our friends, maybe even called the police sooner than they were called. Maybe they had these fights often and she would leave but always came back. Maybe she said "Don't come after me!" and he didn't want to make it worse. They were staying with her friends, is that right? Maybe he didn't want to be the bad guy in front of them. I don't know what his motivations were and he probably regrets not doing something, especially when he might have done something that would have saved her.

 

[Spider92]

For the last 20 years, I haven't left my house without glasses or contacts, but IF I did AND had access to a piece of rope, I could tie as many knots as you would need for most anything. I'm mostly curious as to why she wasn't found earlier. 150 feet from her last known spot is pretty close. Did they have dogs for the first search day? They had a plane - one would think they would have a dog, right? I don't know what happened but I bet they study it pretty closely. They may feel embarrased for missing the body day #1 so they don't want to botch the autopsy.

It was reported that without her glasses, she could see practically nothing. She had to have them....

 

[savagewoman]

Embarrassing personal question to any eyeglass wearing people that don't mind answering. When you're being intimate do you wear your glasses? Even just kissing my glasses are getting ditched. Also someone mentioned that the fight was about cigarettes-does anyone know where that information came from?

Cigs - 1 time here
http://www.pressherald.com/2015/10/...ssing-brunswick-woman-and-her-5-year-old-son/

 

[Ydrittmann]

I have a friend who asked for prayers for her friend Lisa, who was missing. A short while later, she posted her picture and stated she had been found. They were in classes together. She states that the BF had a hard time keeping a job, had Taken and used her bankcard and had used drugs. She thought that he had tried to isolate Lisa. She stated she did not notice any signs of physical abuse but that she and others had talked to Lisa about leaving him but that she was adamant that he was her soulmate. Apparently, Lisa left town before completing her requirements for state licensure in her field of study.

 

[shefner]

I have a friend who asked for prayers for her friend Lisa, who was missing. A short while later, she posted her picture and stated she had been found. They were in classes together. She states that the BF had a hard time keeping a job, had Taken and used her bankcard and had used drugs. She thought that he had tried to isolate Lisa. She stated she did not notice any signs of physical abuse but that she and others had talked to Lisa about leaving him but that she was adamant that he was her soulmate. Apparently, Lisa left town before completing her requirements for state licensure in her field of study.

Mmm....very worrisome.

 

[Coppertop15]

A little friendliness in the hallway, I might leave my glasses on. But they are off as soon as anything gets remotely interesting. And I am VERY severely nearsighted.