Measles: To Disneyland and Beyond

[Charlie09]

http://abc7.com/health/parents-hope-babys-measles-serves-as-cautionary-tale/513738/

Infant contracted measles: parents believe from Disneyland-- want people to vaccinate their kids.

So they don't know for sure?

 

[Charlie09]

Safety peer reviewed research? Doesn't work that way. What we would be talking about is more like meta-analysis of multiple studies looking at multiple factors known and suspected. There are studies that have established for instance the rate of disease in immunized vs non-immunized populations. As specific concerns have arisen--such as the purported autism link, there have been studies examining the rates of autism in immunized vs non-immunized populations. And then there is a balancing act. Are the stats regarding overall risk higher in populations that experience the disease, or populations that experience the immunization. No--I have not attempted to replicate the work of the CDC and others in this matter--I scarcely consider myself qualified. But apparently many who have chosen not to vaccinate do consider themselves more highly qualified than the CDC (not to mention other groups both nationally and internationally).

You mean like the one Thorsen made up and is the source for several reviews since then?

 

[MyBelle]

But you have lifelong immunity now - people with vaccinations don't.

People with vaccinations get booster shots.

 

[MyBelle]

http://wlfi.com/2015/02/12/illinois-diagnoses-11-now-with-measles/

Illinois now has 11 measles cases

I think one adult who doesn't work at KinderCare exposed all those babies. What an incredibly irresponsible thing to do. They should be prosecuted.

 

[Charlie09]

People with vaccinations get booster shots.

It still doesn't provide life long immunity

 

[Charlie09]

I think one adult who doesn't work at KinderCare exposed all those babies. What an incredibly irresponsible thing to do. They should be prosecuted.

For what?
What about people who pass the flu around?
What about the common cold?
Why only the measles?

 

[Hiandmighty]

New Mexico schools organizing unvaccinated kids:

"New Mexico schools are telling parents to get their kids vaccinated against measles by next week, or take them home.

Students in Santa Fe have until February 17 to provide proof of immunization or an exemption on medical or religious grounds if they want to remain in the public schools. In Albuquerque, the deadline is February 20.

“Students who don’t meet this deadline won’t be allowed to return to school until proof is provided,” the Albuquerque school system said in a statement posted on its website. Letters were sent home with students whose shot records are out-of-date."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/maureensullivan/2015/02/12/to-combat-measles-new-mexico-schools-will-ban-unvaccinated-students/

 

[MyBelle]

It still doesn't provide life long immunity

Which is why booster shots are needed.

 

[MyBelle]

For what?
What about people who pass the flu around?
What about the common cold?
Why only the measles?

Criminal exposure of a potentially deadly virus. It happened during the AIDS epidemic and it could happen again.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

New Mexico schools banning unvaccinated kids:

"New Mexico schools are telling parents to get their kids vaccinated against measles by next week, or take them home.

Students in Santa Fe have until February 17 to provide proof of immunization or an exemption on medical or religious grounds if they want to remain in the public schools. In Albuquerque, the deadline is February 20.

“Students who don’t meet this deadline won’t be allowed to return to school until proof is provided,” the Albuquerque school system said in a statement posted on its website. Letters were sent home with students whose shot records are out-of-date."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/maureensullivan/2015/02/12/to-combat-measles-new-mexico-schools-will-ban-unvaccinated-students/

Yep and more states will be doing the same thing, imo.

 

[Charlie09]

Which is why booster shots are needed.

So lifelong booster shots to continue with vaccinations that are supposed to provide immunity?

 

[Charlie09]

Criminal exposure of a potentially deadly virus. It happened during the AIDS epidemic and it could happen again.

JMO

Everything is potentially deadly - you're going down a very slippery slope with this idea, tell me more how you decide who should be charged.

 

[nrdsb4]

Measles vaccination consists of only two doses.

The only people who need booster shots are those who were vaccinated during a specific time period during the 60's or anyone who did not receive their second dose.

There are a few others which require boosters.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/downloads/adult/adult-schedule-easy-read.pdf

 

[nrdsb4]

A lot of people believe it's only the woefully uneducated, the fanatical religious, or poor immigrants who don't get their vaccines. Not true.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/12/measles-outbreak-infected-commuter-silicon-valley

 

[nrdsb4]

I don't know if this has already been posted. If so, my apologies.

Warning: Do not view this video if you don't have a sense of humor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-sW_wZoAFk&feature=youtu.be

 

[K_Z]

Hiandmighty, the problem with stories like that is that the only people they move are like minded individuals. The anti-vaxxers have made their viewpoints perfectly clear: the vulnerable and the young are not their responsibility, not their problem, and basically it sucks to be you.

BBM. Which is precisely why the "measles parties" are not just about fun and fevers, but demonstrate appallingly reckless behavior. It's the whole "reckless IDGAF about anyone else" part of this that will spur prosecution, and new laws IMO. Education clearly isn't working, so that's one of the next steps, IMO.

As I said before, another potential strategy, besides excluding the unvaccinated from daycares and public schools, is to take measures to severely limit the travel possibilities of people who "choose" not to vaccinate. Make proof of vaccination a legal requirement for all types of driver licenses, passports, and purchase of plane tickets, leaving exemptions for valid medical deferments.

Somehow, we have to get the attention of these reckless people and persuade them to change their behavior. It isn't, and shouldn't be, a lawful "choice" to intentionally spread diseases that can permanently harm or kill other people.

 

[MyBelle]

So lifelong booster shots to continue with vaccinations that are supposed to provide immunity?

You give me the impression you have done no actual research and are just repeating misinformation. Where did you ever get the idea that any single does of MMR provides lifelong immunity?

Most vaccines do require at least one additional booster. And that includes Tetanus, which you said you were considering.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/downloads/parent-ver-sch-0-6yrs.pdf

 

[MyBelle]

Everything is potentially deadly - you're going down a very slippery slope with this idea, tell me more how you decide who should be charged.

I don't decide just as I didn't decide during other epidemics but I think it is a marvelous idea.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM. Which is precisely why the "measles parties" are not just about fun and fevers, but demonstrate appallingly reckless behavior. It's the whole "reckless IDGAF about anyone else" part of this that will spur prosecution, and new laws IMO. Education clearly isn't working, so that's one of the next steps, IMO.

As I said before, another potential strategy, besides excluding the unvaccinated from daycares and public schools, is to take measures to severely limit the travel possibilities of people who "choose" not to vaccinate. Make proof of vaccination a legal requirement for all types of driver licenses, passports, and purchase of plane tickets, leaving exemptions for valid medical deferments.

Somehow, we have to get the attention of these reckless people and persuade them to change their behavior. It isn't, and shouldn't be, a lawful "choice" to intentionally spread diseases that can permanently harm or kill other people.

I agree with the traveling part whether by train or airline or ship. Vaccination records should be required to purchase a ticket.

 

[nrdsb4]

You give me the impression you have done no actual research and are just repeating misinformation. Where did you ever get the idea that any single does of MMR provides lifelong immunity?

Most vaccines do require at least one additional booster. And that includes Tetanus, which you said you were considering.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/downloads/parent-ver-sch-0-6yrs.pdf

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

I get my hair colored every few weeks. It takes a hell of a lot longer to do than getting one booster shot every ten years, it's a lot more expensive, and I'll probably find out it's lots more "toxic."