MEDICAL EXAMINER RULES ALEX PRETTI DEATH A HOMICIDE -1 - dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US Jan 24, 2026

[Amonet]

SBM

Protecting criminal and other illegal immigrants? How is that their job?

I don't think that is how they perceive what they are doing.

 

[SouthAussie]

For perspective, could someone add into the timeline...

- What time the first of the ten shots were fired
- The time that the ice guys started rifling through the victim's pockets and/or rolling his body
around to count the bullet wounds.

Thanks

5 seconds for 10 shots to be fired.

9:01:13 a.m. -- One of the federal officers appears to remove a gun from Pretti's waist that seems to match the handgun federal officials said he was carrying.

9:01:14 a.m. -- First shot is fired. At least one officer immediately steps away from Pretti.

9:01:16 a.m. -- One second after the first shot, three additional shots are fired. Pretti appears to go limp and fall to the ground.

9:01:19 a.m. -- Within three seconds, six more shots are fired. The six agents have stepped back from Pretti’s body.

A minute-by-minute timeline of the fatal shooting of Alex Pretti involving federal agents

In total, 10 shots were fired in less than five seconds, according to a forensic audio analysis of the videos conducted for ABC News.

abcnews.go.com

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Boy, lots of people want to put words in my mouth this morning I guess. I am pointing out that Pretti was not in fact legally carrying that morning. Nothing more.

And there's no evidence to substantiate this claim. It's an unbelievable claim that someone who literally went to the protest in order to ensure the law was being followed would not have ID on him. It's as absurd as the claim that he was violent or that he brandished his weapon.

MOO.

 

[Oakland CA]

5 seconds for 10 shots to be fired.

9:01:13 a.m. -- One of the federal officers appears to remove a gun from Pretti's waist that seems to match the handgun federal officials said he was carrying.

9:01:14 a.m. -- First shot is fired. At least one officer immediately steps away from Pretti.

9:01:16 a.m. -- One second after the first shot, three additional shots are fired. Pretti appears to go limp and fall to the ground.

9:01:19 a.m. -- Within three seconds, six more shots are fired. The six agents have stepped back from Pretti’s body.

A minute-by-minute timeline of the fatal shooting of Alex Pretti involving federal agents

In total, 10 shots were fired in less than five seconds, according to a forensic audio analysis of the videos conducted for ABC News.

abcnews.go.com

Thank You SA

 

[Amonet]

I reject the idea that enforcing border laws is comparable to the systematic genocide of over 6,000,000 Jews.

Agreed wholeheartedly.

I also think some of the comparisons being made recently refer more to other aspects of the actions, policies, and beliefs of the regime in question and not solely focused on individuals of a single religion and how horrifically they were treated by that regime. There were other horrors to that regime and there were other people targeted by that regime.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

SBM

Here is the article from representatives of the U.S. Holocaust Museum and why they find it inappropriate.

ETA link

MSN

They actually didn't state why. Unless I missed it? Why is it inappropriate?

 

[Marantz4250b]

That would only be relevant if they had asked him for it, which they did not before they pumped him full of lead. And also, before we assume he didn't follow the law, I'd like some evidence. Media parrots what the administration tells them and they've already lied about this situation ("brandishing" his gun?) and been proven to be liars by video. So their credibility is nil, in my book.

MOO.

Indeed.

And anyway, they shot an unarmed man in the back who was pinned to the ground at the time. Even if you could excuse away the first few rounds fired in the initial mele, which you can't, it certainly could never justify the second fusilade of at least five rounds fired into him when he was likely already dead or mortally wounded.

Even if he'd just finished wiping out a classroom of children, it is still grossly unlawful to shoot an unarmed man, who was posing no threat to you, to death simply because you have the ability to do so. That's still murder!

 

[kuromiiiilove]

And there's no evidence to substantiate this claim. It's an unbelievable claim that someone who literally went to the protest in order to ensure the law was being followed would not have ID on him. It's as absurd as the claim that he was violent or that he brandished his weapon.

MOO.

Maybe his wallet was in his car and he stepped out of his car, like he did for his first encounter with ICE. I wonder if DHS may be betting on a technicality here. MOO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

i think it’s also the cruelty of it all that’s so disheartening. the overkill, saying “boo hoo”, going through his pockets instead of performing cpr, not letting a doctor perform cpr. and then the lies, the victim blaming and the deflecting after. i hope people will still be brave enough to document what is happening in the future, and to help up a fellow human who was pushed down.

i wonder if any drug tests were done on the ice agents? because this behavior is so unhinged, it makes me wonder if they were sober? and i hope they look into how they have handled previous cases, because does a person really go from doing his job well to this? it’s a big escalation. jmo.

I wouldn't be surprised. They handled this so poorly that I believe it would constitute a charge of gross malpractice in vetting new recruits and increasing numbers. I actually hope there is some criminal culpability for how horribly this was handled by Noem. IMO, she's as responsible as the agent(s?) who pulled the trigger on Pretti.

ICE error meant some recruits were sent into field offices without proper training, sources say

An AI tool used to help ICE identify potential new recruits with law enforcement experience wrongly categorized some potential new officers, sources say.

www.nbcnews.com

ICE error meant some recruits were sent into field offices without proper training, sources say

An AI tool used to help ICE identify potential new recruits with law enforcement experience wrongly categorized some potential new officers, sources say.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

There is no "humanitarian duty" to interfere with federal immigration officers who are following the law and arresting illegal immigrants. The humanitarian duty would have been to never encourage millions of people to enter our country illegally.

Can you define the interference? What exactly did Pretti do that you consider to be interfering with immigration officers? I'm not seeing it.

 

[K9Enzo]

And there's no evidence to substantiate this claim. It's an unbelievable claim that someone who literally went to the protest in order to ensure the law was being followed would not have ID on him. It's as absurd as the claim that he was violent or that he brandished his weapon.

MOO.

He had no authority to "ensure the law was being followed". None. Zero

Any what, exactly, was he supposed to do if he thought the law was being broken? Intervene, insert himself into an active federal operation, approach working federal agents? Close distance and record based on how close he wanted to be? Ignore agent commands?

IMO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

He had no authority to "ensure the law was being followed". None. Zero

You're right, he had no "authority." But he had a RIGHT to do so. It is literally his birthright to publicly observe law enforcement operations and protest.

Any what, exactly, was he supposed to do if he thought the law was being broken? Intervene, insert himself into an active federal operation, approach working federal agents? Close distance and record based on how close he wanted to be? Ignore agent commands?

IMO

OF course not. What he was supposed to do is witness it (literally the job of a legal observer) and film it. He never once "intervened" or "inserted himself." He followed the law and exercised his rights. When we start killing US citizens for exercising their rights, then who the hell are we as a nation?

What commands did he ignore and where can I see evidence of it?

MOO.

 

[Summerliz03]

He had no authority to "ensure the law was being followed". None. Zero

Any what, exactly, was he supposed to do if he thought the law was being broken? Intervene, insert himself into an active federal operation, approach working federal agents? Close distance and record based on how close he wanted to be? Ignore agent commands?

IMO

Document it with his cell phone, which is what the protesters have been doing (and is legal) He never approached anyone, in any video I saw. An agent went up to him and got in his face and pushed him back out of the street. He even says to the officer “I’m not the one blocking the street, you are”

It’s well within every protesters right to video and document how the ICE agents are conducting their raids. As we’ve seen, both through their videos as well as multiple lawsuits that have been filed, the ICE agents haven’t been following the law. All MOO.

 

[sds71]

White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller says officials are evaluating why Customs and Border Protection agents in Minneapolis “may not have been following” proper protocol before the fatal shooting of VA nurse Alex Pretti.
In a statement to CNN, Miller said the White House had “provided clear guidance to DHS that the extra personnel that had been sent to Minnesota for force protection should be used for conducting fugitive operations to create a physical barrier between the arrest teams and the disruptors.”“We are evaluating why the CBP team may not have been following that protocol,” he said.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2016298353949344017

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Maybe his wallet was in his car and he stepped out of his car, like he did for his first encounter with ICE. I wonder if DHS may be betting on a technicality here. MOO

Or maybe he had his ID on his person and the administration is lying through their teeth.

MOO.

 

[SouthAussie]

Any what, exactly, was he supposed to do if he thought the law was being broken?

IMO

Maybe Alex could have filed for a citizen's arrest. IDK
Maybe that is what some of the observers are doing with their video footage.

https://www.stpaul.gov/sites/default/files/Media%20Root/Police/Arrest%20by%20pivate%20person%20015-93r.pdf#:~:text=The%20laws%20of%20the%20State%20of%20Minnesota,offense%20committed%20or%20attempted%20in%20his%20presence.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

SBM

Protecting criminal and other illegal immigrants? How is that their job?

They're not protecting criminals and other illegal immigrants. They're protesting how these enforcements are being carried out and documenting any abuses. And thank goodness they are. I can't imagine where we'd be if all of this was happening before cell phones.

MOO.

 

[Strangeworld]

There is no "humanitarian duty" to interfere with federal immigration officers who are following the law and arresting illegal immigrants. The humanitarian duty would have been to never encourage millions of people to enter our country illegally.

BBM

Yet to be determined

 

[Amonet]

Pretti chose to twice intervene in law enforcement operations that did not involve him. MLK was a man that advocated for peaceful protest. I find it disgusting that Pretti is compared to MLK or JFK.

While I wouldn't compare AP to anyone, his second 'intervention' that led to his death was to go to the assistance of a woman who'd been shoved to the snowy/icy ground. He appeared to want to help the woman up, not to be threatening the officer who shoved her.

I think on a human level it could be understandable that someone might want to shove that officer back and have some strong words in his face. But it didn't look like that's what AP was doing.

The woman being shoved to the ground did not involve AP in any way. What kind of a person would want to go to her assistance and help her up? It might sound like I'm being funny here, but I'm not....I'm saying that these actions are really hard to see a bad side in them.

What did the officers think he was going to do to the woman that warranted tear gassing him and tackling him to the ground?

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

What J6 protesters had firearms?

Respectfully, in response to the post # 1201 of @PrairieWind above, yes, IIUC it seems ‘January 6’ protestors were armed.

Wherein the question was posed by OP: “What J6 protestors had firearms?”

Reference Reuters online January 16, 2025 article entitled ‘Fact Check: US Capitol attack rioters had weapons, including firearms’:

Fact Check: US Capitol attack rioters had weapons, including firearms

Witness testimony and evidence in legal cases against supporters of President Donald Trump who stormed the U.S. Capitol in January 2021 show that some of the rioters had weapons, contrary to social media posts saying the attack could not be called an “insurrection” because none of the...

www.reuters.com

ETA and apologies to @Summerliz03 …. You had already cited this earlier on the thread. Thank you. I did not find that til later.