MEDICAL EXAMINER RULES ALEX PRETTI DEATH A HOMICIDE -1 - dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US Jan 24, 2026

[BayouBelle_LA]

Curious! Now that Alex Pretti is a confirmed homicide, will our current administration pursue or support charges? Do republicans support this, or do they have an adequate defense for this? Or is an ICU nurse being murdered by ICE agents just one of those consequences people should accept with our current government? Should we expect the same if we exercise our right to protest?

I think most of us understood that his death would be classified as homicide. There’s a difference between homicide and murder. imo

Homicide is a neutral term for the killing of one human being by another. By itself, the label does not imply that a crime has occurred or that anyone is at fault. It is the broad category under which all other forms of killing fall, both lawful and unlawful. A coroner, for instance, might rule a death a homicide to indicate it was caused by another person, but this is a medical finding, not a legal judgment.

Homicide is a general classification. Murder and manslaughter are specific types of criminal homicide. However, not all homicides are criminal, as some are considered lawful. For this reason, it is important not to assume guilt from the term alone.

What Is the Difference Between Homicide and Murder?

The legal definition for a killing depends on specific factors. This overview explains how intent and circumstance separate criminal acts from justifiable ones.

legalclarity.org

 

[Inthedetails]

Yeah. We agree. I don't think either of us is wrong.

The system* is being abused by unnecessary and unreasonable arrests and detentions.

The abusers of the system shouldn't do that.

But the system needs enforceable protections against that abuse, such as by holding arresters accountable for having too high a percentage of arrestees just get released again. Also, the system should not allow quotas for arrests, because it encourages wasteful arrests.

Abusing a system is wrong, but if a system is regularly abused, some rules of engagement with it have to be enforced. The system has to protect itself.

MOO

*not to mention the arrested persons

Welp, that lawyer is gone so now. BBM:


A government lawyer who told a judge that her job “sucks” during a court hearing stemming from the Trump administration’s immigration enforcement surge in Minnesota has been removed from her Justice Department post, according to a person familiar with the matter....

Le was assigned at least 88 cases in less than a month, according to online court records. ICE officials have said the surge in Minnesota has become its largest-ever immigration operation since ramping up in early January. Several prosecutors have left the U.S. Attorney’s office in Minnesota amid frustration with the immigration enforcement surge and the Justice Department’s response to fatal shootings of two civilians by federal agents.

Blackwell told Le that the volume of cases isn’t an excuse for disregarding court orders. ...

Le said she was working for the Department of Homeland Security as an ICE attorney in immigration court before she “stupidly” volunteered to work the detail in Minnesota. Le told the judge that she wasn’t properly trained for the assignment. She said she wanted to resign from the job but couldn’t get a replacement. ...

Kira Kelley, an attorney who represented two petitioners at the hearing, said the flood of immigration petitions is necessary because “so many people being detained without any semblance of a lawful basis.”

https://www.krqe.com/news/national/ap-government-lawyer-yanked-from-immigration-detail-in-minnesota-after-telling-judge-this-job-sucks/

 

[Inthedetails]

I think most of us understood that his death would be classified as homicide. There’s a difference between homicide and murder. imo

Homicide is a neutral term for the killing of one human being by another. By itself, the label does not imply that a crime has occurred or that anyone is at fault. It is the broad category under which all other forms of killing fall, both lawful and unlawful. A coroner, for instance, might rule a death a homicide to indicate it was caused by another person, but this is a medical finding, not a legal judgment.

Homicide is a general classification. Murder and manslaughter are specific types of criminal homicide. However, not all homicides are criminal, as some are considered lawful. For this reason, it is important not to assume guilt from the term alone.

What Is the Difference Between Homicide and Murder?

The legal definition for a killing depends on specific factors. This overview explains how intent and circumstance separate criminal acts from justifiable ones.

legalclarity.org

The manner of death is a step in the process, not the end of the road. It's a T that needs to be crossed, an I that needs to be dotted.

jmo

 

[sds71]

After the Minneapolis shootings, Trump says his administration could use 'a softer touch' on immigration

In an exclusive interview with NBC News, President Donald Trump added: "But you still have to be tough."

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Inthedetails]

Minnesota educators file lawsuit over ICE at schools

 

[zleuther]

Homicide is a neutral term...

What's strikes me about the term homicide, is the fact that if DHS had succeeded in their attempts to homicide Marimar Martinez and Julio Cesar Sosa-Celis it seems the circumstance of DHS twice getting spanked by judges woulda been avoided.

With Renee Good and Alex Pretti, to homicide is to escape accountability. That's a sick society that will not stand IMO.

 

[Inthedetails]

"Steve Bannon, a former White House adviser to President Donald Trump, has said agents from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) will be at the polls during November's midterm elections.

"You're damn right we're gonna have ICE surround the polls come November," Bannon said on his War Room podcast on Tuesday." Steve Bannon proposes using ICE in elections

bbm

New research out Wednesday tracking state government efforts across the country confirms what election experts have said all along: Noncitizen voting occasionally happens but in minuscule numbers, and not in any coordinated way.

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/30/nx-s1-5462836/noncitizen-voting-trump-ceir-review

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

SHOCKING FEDERAL COURT MOMENT: DOJ attorney Julie Le, "The system sucks, this job sucks" to Judge Jerry Blackwell who pressed her on why so many court orders are being ignored by ICE/Trump admin. She asked to be held in contempt just so she could get 24 hours of sleep.

Judge Blackwell had ordered the SHOW CAUSE hearing because he was frustrated that in 5 Habeas cases he was presiding over, he felt his orders were being ignored, leaving immigrant detainees unconstitutionally locked up for days. Ms. Le said that govt lawyers just cannot keep up. @FOX9

@SeamusHughes

Since last week , AUSA Le has been assigned 38 federal immigration cases. Going back a bit further, she has 87 habeas cases since January 8th.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2018785876336406575

Federal prosecutor unhappy with Minnesota ICE cases fired after 'this job sucks' comment

A federal prosecutor assigned to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement cases in Minnesota has been fired from U.S. attorney’s office in the state after telling a judge that her

www.abajournal.com

Prosecutor Fired After Voicing Frustration With Immigration Caseload

The prosecutor, Julie T. Le, told a judge that she and her colleagues in the U.S. attorney’s office were overwhelmed by the White House’s immigration operation in Minnesota.

www.nytimes.com

 

[CrimeDawg123]

https://www.cato.org/blog/cato-study-immigrants-reduced-deficits-145-trillion-1994

CATO Institute:
Immigrants Have Reduced the Deficit Every Year
Every year since 1994, when data collection began, immigrants have paid more in taxes than they received in benefits from the federal, state, and local governments. The fiscal benefits have continued to rise, reaching their highest level ever in 2023.

The fiscal surplus from all immigrants from 1994 to 2023 was $14.5 trillion, compared with a deficit of $48 trillion without immigrants. That means that immigrants cut deficits by nearly a third in real terms over the last three decades.

 

[303gmf]

https://www.cato.org/blog/cato-study-immigrants-reduced-deficits-145-trillion-1994

CATO Institute:
Immigrants Have Reduced the Deficit Every Year
Every year since 1994, when data collection began, immigrants have paid more in taxes than they received in benefits from the federal, state, and local governments. The fiscal benefits have continued to rise, reaching their highest level ever in 2023.

The fiscal surplus from all immigrants from 1994 to 2023 was $14.5 trillion, compared with a deficit of $48 trillion without immigrants. That means that immigrants cut deficits by nearly a third in real terms over the last three decades.

I read this yesterday and wanted to bring it here, thank you!!

 

[Inthedetails]

New polling conducted in the days since Veterans Administration nurse Alex Pretti was shot and killed by federal agents in Minneapolis finds support for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) decaying even further, a majority of voters calling for Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem to be removed and nearly half of voters saying they know someone who is living in fear because of the Trump administration's deportation policies.


poll data at the link:

ICE gets even worse ratings in polling after Pretti's fatal shooting; majority calling for Noem's removal

Nearly half know someone living in fear because of Trump deportation policies.

abcnews.go.com

 

[J. J. in Phila]

https://www.cato.org/blog/cato-study-immigrants-reduced-deficits-145-trillion-1994

CATO Institute:
Immigrants Have Reduced the Deficit Every Year
Every year since 1994, when data collection began, immigrants have paid more in taxes than they received in benefits from the federal, state, and local governments. The fiscal benefits have continued to rise, reaching their highest level ever in 2023.

The fiscal surplus from all immigrants from 1994 to 2023 was $14.5 trillion, compared with a deficit of $48 trillion without immigrants. That means that immigrants cut deficits by nearly a third in real terms over the last three decades.

There is a difference between immigrants that are here legally and those that are not.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

The Real Story Behind the Midnight Immigration Raid on a Chicago Apartment Building

The Trump administration has claimed the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua had taken over the building. But new documents make no mention of the gang and reveal federal agents had information about “illegal aliens unlawfully occupying apartments.”

www.propublica.org

 

[303gmf]

There is a difference between immigrants that are here legally and those that are not.

Yes, it’s a misdemeanor

Many are born here and have been for generations contributing to economy’s and paying taxes

 

[303gmf]

Yes, it’s a misdemeanor

Many are born here and have been for generations contributing to economy’s and paying taxes

Read Crime Dogs post above from the Cato Institute to broaden the view

 

[Inthedetails]

There is a difference between immigrants that are here legally and those that are not.

Even immigrants who are here undocumented work and the work they provide benefits the rest of us.

jmopinion

 

[Inthedetails]

BBM

The fight against ICE in Minneapolis defies easy categorization. Is it activism? Protest? Political opposition? Resistance? None of these terms quite captures what we’re seeing: people putting their own bodies on the line to care for immigrants and impede the operations of a paramilitary force in their city. My colleagues have come up with their own, apt ways to describe it: Maybe this is “neighborism,” or a movement for “basic decency.”

There Is a Word for What Is Happening in Minneapolis

What ICE’s opponents are doing in Minnesota is part of a long and successful historical tradition: dissidence.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Yes, it’s a misdemeanor

Many are born here and have been for generations contributing to economy’s and paying taxes

Still a federal offense, and second offense is a felony. Further, it is a felony to remain after a deportation order, even if the person entered legally.

Someone born here, at least if their parent is here legally, is not an immigrant, by definition.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Still a federal offense, and second offense is a felony. Further, it is a felony to remain after a deportation order, even if the person entered legally.

Someone born here, at least if their parent is here legally, is not an immigrant, by definition.

Still gotta pay taxes

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Even immigrants who are here undocumented work and the work they provide benefits the rest of us.

jmopinion

They cannot legally be here.

When talking about who contributes to the economy, there must be a distinction between people that came to the US legally and those who did not. Both are "immigrants."