Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #10

[claudicici]

What reason would AK have to locking the bedroom, covering up the body, etc, etc, if she was not involved in murder (in whatever way)?
People normally don't try to cover up crime scenes unless they are involved in a crime, I presume. I fail to see any reason for AK to be covering up crime scenes if she just showed up there in the morning having nothing to do with the crime.

I think it matches what we know of her personality.Like doing cartwheels in the police station or smiling in the courtroom wearing "all you need is love " shirts.
Especially if she was wasted that night and could not understand /process what she saw in the morning.I think AK is the type that would cover her ears if she heard someone screaming,I think she rather live in a fantasy land then to face a grim reality.

 

[claudicici]

We both have daughters, otto, and we'd both like to believe they wouldn't be so foolish as to open their doors to casual acquaintances. But we also know that college-age kids do so all the time, which is one of the reasons why rape rates are so high on college campuses. Perhaps things are different in Europe, but I have trouble believing people in late adolescence are that much different in Western cultures on the two continents.

As for the footprints, I know you are accurately summarizing what has been reported. My problem is that so much of the investigation appears to have been done by the Keystone Kops, I don't know what to believe of what we are told.

I know for a fact at least in germany college kids like to party just as much as in america ,it's just less obvious....they are not as up front and in your face about it as they are in america,I doubt Italy is any different.I went to Italy when I was only 14 on a school trip and we met some locals and of course ...we partied.
If RG was selling,maybe that's why MK let him in that night,she was tired and wanted something to relax before going to sleep.By what he wrote in his diary I really think RG thought he might had a chance with MK and I think he kind of had an obsession with her.I think he became enraged when she rejected him.
I think he staged the break in in case someone saw him going into the cottage.He ran out of the cottage without even closing the front door so why would he have locked MK's room?

 

[Nova]

I think it matches what we know of her personality.Like doing cartwheels in the police station or smiling in the courtroom wearing "all you need is love " shirts.
Especially if she was wasted that night and could not understand /process what she saw in the morning.I think AK is the type that would cover her ears if she heard someone screaming,I think she rather live in a fantasy land then to face a grim reality.

I have no quarrel with your post, but if we are to believe AK discovered the murder after the fact, but then proceeded to stage the crime scene, we have to believe she had no problem with her (new) friend's killer going free.

AK may have her flaky moments, but I have trouble believing she is THAT indifferent.

 

[jjenny]

While he may not be Lex Luthor, let's suppose RG has seen enough TV shows to assume a perp always leaves traces of himself behind. If so, he needed to make it look like some unknown person was there in addition to himself, someone on whom the crime could be blamed.

After all, isn't that exactly what RG did in his first statement?

Haven't defenders of AK argued all this time that Rudy's MO was to break in through the window? So now he staged the crime scene to what, fit his MO? How in the world would Rudy's breaking the window that divert attention from himself?

 

[claudicici]

I believe she is that indifferent.She had no problems implicating an innocent person.I think she couldn't care less about justice for Meredith.

 

[jjenny]

I think it matches what we know of her personality.Like doing cartwheels in the police station or smiling in the courtroom wearing "all you need is love " shirts.
Especially if she was wasted that night and could not understand /process what she saw in the morning.I think AK is the type that would cover her ears if she heard someone screaming,I think she rather live in a fantasy land then to face a grim reality.

It's one thing to cover ears, the other thing to stage crime scenes for no reason whatsoever.

 

[jjenny]

I believe she is that indifferent.She had no problems implicating an innocent person.I think she couldn't care less about justice for Meredith.

It still doesn't explain why she'd stage a crime scene if she had nothing to do with the murder.

 

[OldSteve]

Good question. I don't know. I have wondered whether RG could have staged a break-in. Whether he would feel a need to do so depends on how frequent a guest he was downstairs.

(Yes, it is odd that he would stage a break-in but leave his own excrement in the toilet, but nobody said he is a criminal mastermind.)

This isn't my favorite theory. My point was merely that the insistence that MK would NEVER open a door to RG ignores the fact that he was a friend of her boyfriend.

Perhaps he knew he could be placed there at the cottage by someone downstairs, and so staged the break-in to rule himself out - which ironically this does since it was the break-in that then pointed the finger of guilt toward AK.

 

[SMK]

Haven't defenders of AK argued all this time that Rudy's MO was to break in through the window? So now he staged the crime scene to what, fit his MO? How in the world would Rudy's breaking the window that divert attention from himself?

In his mind, as Rudy does when burglarizing, so do others.....

 

[Nova]

Haven't defenders of AK argued all this time that Rudy's MO was to break in through the window? So now he staged the crime scene to what, fit his MO? How in the world would Rudy's breaking the window that divert attention from himself?

I didn't say this was my candidate for most likely theory.

All I said was that if RG assumed he had left traces of himself in the cottage, then he might also have reason to believe he needed to make it look like some stranger was there as well. (That was his story when he was captured.)

Of course, looking back, we can agree he should have chosen a method of break-in that was less similar to his own M.O., but that may not have occurred to him at the time.

This and similar theories depend on the subjective impressions of people during times of great stress. I don't think that means they acted randomly, but perhaps we should (ETA: NOT) expect perfect, calm logic under the circumstances.

As for me, I'm merely responding to speculations as they are presented; I'm not arguing that this is what happened.

 

[Nova]

I know for a fact at least in germany college kids like to party just as much as in america ,it's just less obvious....they are not as up front and in your face about it as they are in america,I doubt Italy is any different.I went to Italy when I was only 14 on a school trip and we met some locals and of course ...we partied.
If RG was selling,maybe that's why MK let him in that night,she was tired and wanted something to relax before going to sleep.By what he wrote in his diary I really think RG thought he might had a chance with MK and I think he kind of had an obsession with her.I think he became enraged when she rejected him.
I think he staged the break in in case someone saw him going into the cottage.He ran out of the cottage without even closing the front door so why would he have locked MK's room?

I've taught students that did years abroad in Italy. They returned with tales that were very similar to what was going on at the American campus where I taught.

And these students were in Rome, a large city where one might be expected to exercise more caution.

 

[Nova]

I think it matches what we know of her personality.Like doing cartwheels in the police station or smiling in the courtroom wearing "all you need is love " shirts.
Especially if she was wasted that night and could not understand /process what she saw in the morning.I think AK is the type that would cover her ears if she heard someone screaming,I think she rather live in a fantasy land then to face a grim reality.

I would understand your argument if she had simply turned around, walked out and gone on her holiday. THAT would be avoiding reality.

But staging a break-in doesn't change the grim reality of MK's bloody body, it merely muddies the facts and lets MK's killer potentially go free.

 

[SMK]

I've taught students that did years abroad in Italy. They returned with tales that were very similar to what was going on at the American campus where I taught.

And these students were in Rome, a large city where one might be expected to exercise more caution.

Right, the drinking and carousing is pretty much a universal rite of passage for youth. In my 20s, I spent time in London and France, and the youth scene was much the same as in the U.S. I can see Otto's point about MK being studious, but that does not preclude being friendly to Rudy, whom the Motivation Report of Dr. Massei has socializing with girls and boys and having a jovial time at the cottage.

 

[SMK]

Forgive me my ignorance on the finer details, but I know that Italy's High Court ruled that Guede did not act alone----did they absolutely rule out others outside of Knox and Sollecito? I read a theory somewhere that perhaps Rudy was being hounded for $$$ by drug dealers, and they walked him to the boys downstairs apartment where he said he might get some. No one being home, they marched him upstairs to MK's, and got violent in a robbery, enraged that there was not more $$$ to be found. MK perhaps tried to appease them (her cell showed calls to her bank account). . .

 

[sherlockh]

Forgive me my ignorance on the finer details, but I know that Italy's High Court ruled that Guede did not act alone----did they absolutely rule out others outside of Knox and Sollecito? I read a theory somewhere that perhaps Rudy was being hounded for $$$ by drug dealers, and they walked him to the boys downstairs apartment where he said he might get some. No one being home, they marched him upstairs to MK's, and got violent in a robbery, enraged that there was not more $$$ to be found. MK perhaps tried to appease them (her cell showed calls to her bank account). . .

No, they say that they were not in a position to rule on AK+RS but they didn't mention anyone else besides them. Actually, they mention AK+RS several times.

 

[SMK]

No, they say that they were not in a position to rule on AK+RS but they didn't mention anyone else besides them. Actually, they mention AK+RS several times.

Why am I not surprised???ullhair::nevermind:

 

[SMK]

Another question I had: I had read somewhere, with great interest , that the initial inventory reports did not mention the lamp from Amanda's room, and it was suggested that the lamp was brought into the room by investigators in order to see better. anyone else hear of this?

 

[flourish]

Okie.

SMK, I mean no rudeness here, but what does "okie" mean? In my head, it sounds like a derogatory word for a resident of Oklahoma, but I'm wondering if you mean "O.K." or "okay"??

And when you reply to a post with only that word, is that like a sarcastic "uh yeah right okay sure that's what happened" kinda thing? Or is that a "okay I agree with you" thing or something completely different? I just want to make sure I am understanding you clearly.

 

[SMK]

SMK, I mean no rudeness here, but what does "okie" mean? In my head, it sounds like a derogatory word for a resident of Oklahoma, but I'm wondering if you mean "O.K." or "okay"??

And when you reply to a post with only that word, is that like a sarcastic "uh yeah right okay sure that's what happened" kinda thing? Or is that a "okay I agree with you" thing or something completely different? I just want to make sure I am understanding you clearly.

I assure you there is no hidden agenda: "Okie" means "Okie Dokie" and it means "understood". :innocent:

 

[flourish]

I assure you there is no hidden agenda: "Okie" means "Okie Dokie" and it means "understood". :innocent:

LOL Okie Dokie

(thanks, SMK) :seeya:

ETA: I'd wondered if it was a regional thing or some new word that I'm too old to be hip to