Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #10

[Nova]

And we still luvs ya

As a matter of fact, I have always been "out" here at WS and have always been treated very well, even by posters with very different political and religious beliefs.

 

[Allusonz]

I guess it is becoming apparent that the only way to argue Rudy climbed in the window is to accept that some glass would have fallen on the ground ... and the only way to explain the absence of glass on the ground is to suggest that investigators simply didn't bother to investigate the ground below the window? Not sure.

Rudy did walk in through the front door, but it was not Meredith that let him in. That has been attributed to Amanda ... Amanda with the "college atmosphere" attitude who treated her home as a drug pad.

It is continued to be claimed to be a Amanda's drug pad. What you continually forget is that EVERYONE in that cottage was doing drugs so I have to ask why is it not Laura's drug pad? or Filomena's drug pad?

Why is it only AK's drug pad? Methinks there is a problem with this thinking

 

[Nova]

This is true about the Xnanex, cause i was trying to figure out why the motivations thought it was unheard of that RS would sleep later than his father suspected, why they said AK didn't awaken when RS was apparently up at 530am or something like that. They claim she never mentions him getting up at the time, though his computer logs it.

If she was down on Xanex, maybe that was why.

Maybe. Personally, I use xanex and have experience some short-term memory loss because of it. However, I forget things like the names of minor movie stars, not murders.

 

[wasnt_me]

That is not necessarily true. For instance, someone who hasn't actually killed anyone can be charged with murder, such as gateway driver in a bank robbery, etc.

This kind of instance is different than what the OP was talking about. Tampering with evidence and obstruction of justice would be soemthing like changing the scene of the crime ON PURPoSE.

For example, FR should have been charged with that by the defense for changing around things in the room with the broken window. Of course she did not do it on purpose, but they could have tried to have a case to have her charged. But her moving things around in an alleged burglary scene wouldn't make her a partner in crime.

Same for AK if she'd covered the body and locked the door.

Now, if you are committing a crime, like robbery with others and one of your partners shoots someone in the commission of the robbery, then yes, you will be charged with murder in the US even though you did not pull the trigger or order your partner to do so.

 

[jjenny]

Ah, but that was also explained by his story: in which he attempts to comfort MK as she lays dying.

Since he run off to another country, I doubt he had plans of telling this story.

 

[jjenny]

This is true about the Xnanex, cause i was trying to figure out why the motivations thought it was unheard of that RS would sleep later than his father suspected, why they said AK didn't awaken when RS was apparently up at 530am or something like that. They claim she never mentions him getting up at the time, though his computer logs it.

If she was down on Xanex, maybe that was why.

Xanax is anti-anxiety meds. As far as I can tell, it is not going to erase someone's memory.

 

[Allusonz]

Thats not correct about AK and RG. RG 'fancied' AK and told the boys downstairs so. It is also likely AK knew about this infatuation. IMO RG's 'stories' about meeting Meredith are just that... stories to put himself in the best possible light since he knew there was evidence of himself at the cottage. According to all the witnesses presented, Meredith did not meet or talk to RG on Halloween.

There would have been no reason for RG to innocently want to use the bathroom at the cottage with almost everything within 5-10 minutes walking distance. If he did so, he would have had to already have a plan of assaulting Meredith. Plus IMO, what is the probability of Meredith opening the door for a virtual stranger to use the bathroom, then having some kind of relations with them AFTER using they take a dump in the bathroom? What a instant turn off. If that was the 'plan'... it was a crappy one. Pardon the pun.

As AK never spoke to RG on any other occasion. AK and MK met RG for the first time and they were BOTH introduced to RG. How it is then leaped to this conclusion continuously astounds me

 

[dgfred]

How fortunate for you that apparently you have never had diarrhea or any other type of colonic disorder. 10 minutes can be a long, long time.

So your opinion is he was just out walking around near the cottage when it 'hit' him?

 

[dgfred]

There is no 'staged breakin'. ILE did not even take the time to look for glass below. No photos were taken, ILE did not look for DNA on the wall, ILE did not look in the grass for glass or anything that could of been dropped....so far none have been able to explain to my satisfaction why this was not done.

The only conclusion I can then come to is that they really were not looking

So you do not contest that RG did NOT stage the break in to make it look as if someone else had broke into the cottage.

Is your position he (RG) actually broke in thru the window? Just making sure.

 

[Allusonz]

I guess it is becoming apparent that the only way to argue Rudy climbed in the window is to accept that some glass would have fallen on the ground ... and the only way to explain the absence of glass on the ground is to suggest that investigators simply didn't bother to investigate the ground below the window? Not sure.

Rudy did walk in through the front door, but it was not Meredith that let him in. That has been attributed to Amanda ... Amanda with the "college atmosphere" attitude who treated her home as a drug pad.

How do you know for sure that RG walked in that front door?

 

[wasnt_me]

I don't think she was involved in the murder.I think she locked MK's bedroom,I think she was possibly the one that covered the body with the blanket.
I think she took a shower because she could not deal with what she saw.I think she did not remember much of what happened that night .
I don't think she was involved because RG would have told on her and RS.What reason did he have to cover for them?

On this, I had a theory but retracted it because you can't lock the door from the outside without a key.

 

[dgfred]

That may well be true but if I entered a place as a repairman the last thing I would leave is the repair order if I murdered someone. If my boss asked I would simply state I had not got to that particular job yet. Again this argument breaks down

So your thinking is that you (the repairman) has an appointment to a home and that person ends up murdered... you could 'tell the boss you had not got to that paricular job yet' and get away with it???

I was stating the customer would have the appointment listed or noted/ the employer would have that appointment listed for the day... and etc. Therefore there would be a 'little bit' of a reason to let that repairman use the bathroom and such since there was a record of the repairman being in the home.

 

[Allusonz]

I would understand your argument if she had simply turned around, walked out and gone on her holiday. THAT would be avoiding reality.

But staging a break-in doesn't change the grim reality of MK's bloody body, it merely muddies the facts and lets MK's killer potentially go free.

I also must state, since the forensics had not been returned, that they truly did not investigate any other potential people. This case was closed in 4 days and it appears they simply accepted whatever the rest stated. I am totally incredulous on this

 

[Allusonz]

So your thinking is that you (the repairman) has an appointment to a home and that person ends up murdered... you could 'tell the boss you had not got to that paricular job yet' and get away with it???

I was stating the customer would have the appointment listed or noted/ the employer would have that appointment listed for the day... and etc. Therefore there would be a 'little bit' of a reason to let that repairman use the bathroom and such since there was a record of the repairman being in the home.

You made the assumption that the repairman would leave the work order. If that repair person had indeed committed the murder I stated that if it was me I would not leave the work order. Again I stated that when questioned if I was the murder I would deny having been there. I am not a murderer I can only state what I would do if it was me in a "what if" scenerio.

What would you do if you were the murderer?

 

[dgfred]

As AK never spoke to RG on any other occasion. AK and MK met RG for the first time and they were BOTH introduced to RG. How it is then leaped to this conclusion continuously astounds me

Probably because he told the boys downstairs he 'fancied' AK... so not so astounding really.

 

[dgfred]

You made the assumption that the repairman would leave the work order. If that repair person had indeed committed the murder I stated that if it was me I would not leave the work order. Again I stated that when questioned if I was the murder I would deny having been there. I am not a murderer I can only state what I would do if it was me in a "what if" scenerio.

What would you do if you were the murderer?

Surely not go on a job to a residence, kill that person and get away with it.

Maybe the murderer would scope out the residence while 'working' and come back on another day, but not murder a person when there are several records of the appointment to go to the home.

 

[Allusonz]

Massei doesn't mention the lamp all that much so I am not sure if he puts any weight to it. He mentions AK being questioned about it and she says she doesn't pay attention to her own lamp and didn't miss it. She denies kicking the door to try to get the lamp back. LE using the lamp and leaving it on purpose as some kind of evidence is a bit far fetched IMO.

IMO if RS really had wanted to get that lamp then he would have broken in the door. He already damaged the door so why not crack the whole thing open completely? I think they simply forgot about that lamp when they locked the door. The damage at the door could have been caused when they tried to get into MK's bedroom and MK tried to get them out. Maybe she even did lock her door because they were already harassing her. And then when they got violent at the door, a fight started. Who knows?

I have to agree here. I dont think that the lamp played much of a role if any and it is MO that it truly played no role whatsoever

 

[Allusonz]

Meredith was not some starry eyed, naive new visitor in Europe. It was home to her. If some guy she met once or twice came banging on the door when she was home alone, late at night, and she had studying to do ... why would she open the door. Her sister studied in Italy and would have told her about dangers and risks ... like druggies squaters. Instead of having to argue why she wouldn't open the door, I would like to know why she would open the door. Amanda ... sure ... she had the "american college atmosphere" argument on her side ... she would come home to an open door and not think anything. I simply don't believe that Meredith was that stupid.

My god. What is with this American/European thing? Everyone is HUMAN. HUMANS make mistakes no matter where you live, how you are taught, what religion you are, what race you are.

This is continually brought up by you and I simply do not understand what appears to be dislike of Americans and I am not even American and I am taking offense

 

[Allusonz]

Surely not go on a job to a residence, kill that person and get away with it.

Maybe the murderer would scope out the residence while 'working' and come back on another day, but not murder a person when there are several records of the appointment to go to the home.

Neither would I !!! If i did though I would not leave a blasted work order there if I was the repairman that did commit it

 

[Allusonz]

Probably because he told the boys downstairs he 'fancied' AK... so not so astounding really.

Then why the supposed "date" with MK? This is where this argument again fails.