Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #12

[SMK]

Also: While I DO agree with Chiquita that Meredith is really and truly a VICTIM of a brutal and heinous crime, even so, if AK and RS are indeed innocent - and MUCH points to their innocence - then they too are Guede's victims.

 

[JBean]

seems the conversation for the last bit has been about members and not the case.
Removed a lot of posts discussing each other's posting habits and such.
Back to the case, thanks.

 

[wasnt_me]

I re-read the Hendry thing and I don't necessarily agree with him about how the fight in the room went down, but I agree with how it might have started.

I don't think MK was wearing that jacket when she was stabbed. RG might have already gotten it off her. I believe that because, if you look at the jacket pictures, you don't see blood on the neck and shoulders. You see it toward the bottom of the jacket. So unless it was half over her head when he did it, I don't see how the blood didn't get on the shoulders and neck area. I can look at the pics again, but I don't like staring at them too hard.

He didn't address the bra, either, in the part you quoted, so I have to go back and refresh myself to see what he said about that.

 

[JBean]

With all due respect, much of posting is made enjoyable by the interaction with others. Yes, this is about the Amanda Knox appeals case, but really.......I do not think anything had to be removed. Its your call, of course, but it seems worse now. I do not know how others feel, but the whole conversation was wiped out, and.....forget it. ....

Look, this thread gets more leeway than just about any thread in the forum. I am trying to just give you guys some room and it seems everyone can take it just fine.

But when the conversation becomes about members and not about the case, it is just out of bounds.

 

[wasnt_me]

I read something interesting that some other posters on anther board were saying:

The defence DID re-enact part of the climb, using one of the lawyers as a stand-in, but they were seemingly hampered by the fact that the cottage was a sealed crime scene, so therefore they couldn't get onto the ledge and through the window to complete the re-enactment. The defence should also have argued far more strongly that Filomena's room was likely to have been less "pristine" than she herself testified, and that the crime scene in her room was severely compromised by her and the postal officers going through her stuff (and her subsequently rushing back in to retrieve her laptop!).

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=196814&page=183

I don't know if this is true, but if it is, then it's the answer to why the defense could not complete the window climb. Why couldn't the house be opened up for them? It amazes me how far slanted the justice system is toward the prosecution. They can collect evidence 46 days after the crime, but the defense can not gather evidence beause the house is sealed.

 

[miley]

He didn't address the bra, either, in the part you quoted, so I have to go back and refresh myself to see what he said about that.

Chris Halkides also has an analysis of the bra clasp:
http://viewfromwilmington.blogspot.com/2011/03/analysis-of-bra-clasp-dna.html

 

[wasnt_me]

Okay, then I saw this, which I thought ought to get us right back on track.

A website that talks about italian toilets and poop!

For more than you ever wanted to know about this subject, see:
http://www.poopreport.com/Travel/Content/Italy/italy.html

 

[SMK]

Chris Halkides also has an analysis of the bra clasp:
http://viewfromwilmington.blogspot.com/2011/03/analysis-of-bra-clasp-dna.html

Miley, I was looking at the analysis, and it seems to me the dna should be discounted altogether. I don't know how it even convicted them. Very disturbing. I hope this is being taken into account in the appeals review. Thanks for posting this!

ETA: Someone brings up in the comments section that DNA might have been mixed on the gloves, going from one sample to another. This is not precise scientific data, and ought to be discounted as "evidence" altogether, IMO. Once more, thanks for that informative link!

 

[SMK]

Okay, then I saw this, which I thought ought to get us right back on track.

A website that talks about italian toilets and poop!

For more than you ever wanted to know about this subject, see:
http://www.poopreport.com/Travel/Content/Italy/italy.html

:floorlaugh:

 

[Nova]

I particularly like Douglas Preston's remarks at the end.

Wow! I thought things got slightly heated here, but nothing here compares to the argument about the argument about the argument about Amanda Knox over there!

I move we send Salem out into the world to teach internet manners wherever this case is discussed! Anyone second the motion?

 

[Nova]

Miley, I was looking at the analysis, and it seems to me the dna should be discounted altogether. I don't know how it even convicted them. Very disturbing. I hope this is being taken into account in the appeals review. Thanks for posting this!

ETA: Someone brings up in the comments section that DNA might have been mixed on the gloves, going from one sample to another. This is not precise scientific data, and ought to be discounted as "evidence" altogether, IMO. Once more, thanks for that informative link!

What is equally disturbing is how subjective the interpretation of multiple DNA sources can be! DNA has been sold to us as precise to a mathematical certainty and not something that should give 10 different results to 10 different "experts."

 

[SMK]

Wow! I thought things got slightly heated here, but nothing here compares to the argument about the argument about the argument about Amanda Knox over there!

I move we send Salem out into the world to teach internet manners wherever this case is discussed! Anyone second the motion?

I do.

 

[SMK]

What is equally disturbing is how subjective the interpretation of multiple DNA sources can be! DNA has been sold to us as precise to a mathematical certainty and not something that should give 10 different results to 10 different "experts."

Yes, Nova: I recently saw a disturbing show about how very subjective and "UN-scientific" DNA analysis really is.

 

[SMK]

I am wondering (as usual, confused because of the opposing camps' respective and differing spin on things) if the postponement of the May 9th report is definitely good news for the defense, or only maybe, or might it be good news for the prosecution in some way? Anyone venture to guess?:crazy:

 

[Allusonz]

Miley, I was looking at the analysis, and it seems to me the dna should be discounted altogether. I don't know how it even convicted them. Very disturbing. I hope this is being taken into account in the appeals review. Thanks for posting this!

ETA: Someone brings up in the comments section that DNA might have been mixed on the gloves, going from one sample to another. This is not precise scientific data, and ought to be discounted as "evidence" altogether, IMO. Once more, thanks for that informative link!

The DNA issue is very troubling. How does a contaminated item that was shown live when collected, said to have an abundance of RS DNA on it, turn out to in fact be LCN DNA, tested as though it was regular DNA instead of using LCN DNA testing protocols end up as a piece of evidence during a trial

 

[Allusonz]

Miley, I was looking at the analysis, and it seems to me the dna should be discounted altogether. I don't know how it even convicted them. Very disturbing. I hope this is being taken into account in the appeals review. Thanks for posting this!

ETA: Someone brings up in the comments section that DNA might have been mixed on the gloves, going from one sample to another. This is not precise scientific data, and ought to be discounted as "evidence" altogether, IMO. Once more, thanks for that informative link!

You might of missed many of my earlier posts re the DNA :innocent:

I was actually quite shocked that they had to even request the .fsa files although at this point nothing should surprise me

If this review comes back remotely close to how bad it should be, not only could RS and AK's DNA testing be tossed but so could RG's

 

[SMK]

You might of missed many of my earlier posts re the DNA :innocent:

I was actually quite shocked that they had to even request the .fsa files although at this point nothing should surprise me

If this review comes back remotely close to how bad it should be, not only could RS and AK's DNA testing be tossed but so could RG's

I think I saw your posts, but was not quite sure of the technical languaging and meaning. I know you gave a lot of great info!!!

ETA: So in your mind, the postponement is definitely good for the defense, then?

 

[Allusonz]

Wow! I thought things got slightly heated here, but nothing here compares to the argument about the argument about the argument about Amanda Knox over there!

I move we send Salem out into the world to teach internet manners wherever this case is discussed! Anyone second the motion?

There are some very troubling things going on. The comment section is simply the tip of the iceburg. Some comments I see have been removed. We are talking very serious accusations here.

What concerns me as well is it seems that some have become emotionally involved and are widening the circle of the people they are going after. I simply don't understand the extreme measures being used

 

[SMK]

There are some very troubling things going on. The comment section is simply the tip of the iceburg. Some comments I see have been removed. We are talking very serious accusations here.

What concerns me as well is it seems that some have become emotionally involved and are widening the circle of the people they are going after. I simply don't understand the extreme measures being used

You mean over on the other site?

 

[Allusonz]

I am wondering (as usual, confused because of the opposing camps' respective and differing spin on things) if the postponement of the May 9th report is definitely good news for the defense, or only maybe, or might it be good news for the prosecution in some way? Anyone venture to guess?:crazy:

I will state good news for the defense. What I am wondering is did the independent experts receive the .fsa files from the prosecution which should of been turned over from the start as it is the raw data.