Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #13

[SMK]

I'm not big on "dressing up" myself, but I'm often surprised at what people wear to the witness stand even when the trial is shown on TV.

People also dress casually for the theater and on airplanes nowadays, as opposed to when I was a kid.

Well, I don't really care all that much about elegant clothes (since my husband died, I really am too sad to even care)--court or a special occasion seemingly calls for it, but I spent a lot of time in Los Angeles and Provincetown, and can have the "dress down" attitude with the best of them, Nova !:great:

 

[wasnt_me]

If he does his job as badly as Mignini, then yes, by all means! I don't think a prosecutor's children or home phone number should be exposed, but I see nothing wrong with looking at issues like conviction rates, the types of convictions he has obtained, charges of and convictions for misconduct, training as an investigator--in short, anything that reflects on his job performance.

I especially think that's fair game when posters such as yourself anoint prosecutors as experts by quoting them as authorities to support your arguments.

I agree. I think anyone assuming that any person is dutifully doing there job is naive, to say the least. America has a long history of people dutifully doing their jobs, but accused and convicted of racism, police brutality, and hate crimes and many other things. I remember a case of a police officer "doing his job" by pulling over women and raping them. He eventually killed one and got caught. the police depart. of course couldn't believe a man of his caliber had done such a thing. That's why if a cop tries to pull me over, he has to follow me to a well-lighted gas station, whether he's just doing his job or not.

In this case, we have a man already on trial and in appeals for abuse of office, so it goes without saying that his credentials should be questioned.

I still want to know what investigative skills his has that qualifies him to be heading the actual police investigation. I believe there's a reason here in the USA that judges are judges, prosecutors are prosecutors, and police detectives are police detectives. When one starts to do the job of both or all three, he can develop tunnel vision, or might not be able to adequately or objectively do the one of the jobs.

 

[wasnt_me]

Some Italian lawmakers claim Amanda Knox was treated unfairly and are seeking a probe of the prosecutors' office in Perugia, the city where the American student was convicted of murdering her British roommate

The petition to Justice Minister Angelino Alfano was signed by 11 lawmakers, all members of Premier Silvio Berlusconi's coalition. It asks Alfano to consider sending inspectors to judicial offices in Perugia — a move that is considered very serious in Italy and is typically read as a sign of discontent from Rome.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...ernational/i044250D17.DTL#ixzz1NSnkSfGN(05-26

Interesting. from this article, they make it seems as if RS and AK's sentences DO NOT EVEN START yet, so time served is not considered?

In Italy, many sentences are not served until all levels of appeals are exhausted. However, it is not unusual for defendants to be kept behind bars if they are considered a flight risk, or they might tamper with evidence or repeat a crime. Legal experts say that in murder cases, defendants are often kept under custody during trial.

I guess the answers the question that had been raised a while back, which insinuated that Italians were NOT unhappy with the trial or the legal system.
:twocents:

 

[wasnt_me]

After reading about AK using a messy bath mat as a towel - there's no telling what she would do.

I don't think we can figure out the things she did outside of MK's room - so I keep harping on "find some solid evidence in MK's room to show AK was in there.... find pictures of marks/bruises on AK. etc... witnesses.... But if all that can be found is the bra clip, and a knife with DNA that could have gotten on it because it was in proximity to where AK's DNA would normally be - then I cannot convict her"

What about the hickie, Oldsteve? Dont forget about the hickie.
:floorlaugh:

 

[wasnt_me]

I have seen the tape of the techs collecting and playing catch with the "bra clasp", but until I read Frank's blog I didn't realize the event was broadcast live in Italy.

VERY, VERY suspicious, if you ask me! Why would ILE take a chance on broadcasting unless they knew they would find something?

Exactly and precisely. And just to wonder...were the camera crew or the journalists all suited up like they were on E.T. patrol when they entered the murder room? Can't see behind the camera so we don't know.

Why take a camera crew and do a LIVE broadcast to the house in the first place? Why do that after 46 or 47 days? What did you hope to find that a live broadcast needed to capture? OH, I remember now--RS's DNA, which you had NO WAY of knowing would be on the clasp....OR DID YOU?
:websleuther:

There would have been ZERO point to such fanfare unless they expected to announce something big that had happened as a result of the webcasted search.

Not only was it broadcast live, and not only did they happen to find the the key piece of forensic evidence against Rafaelle in that broadcast, but it was the day after his family revealed on TV that the bloody prints ILE had matched to his shoes were not a match at all. So, in other words, the day after Raf's family proved the evidence tying their son to this crime was false, ILE pulls the bra clasp out on national TV. That's a huge coincidence.

Oh, I see even more clearly now....:websleuther:

 

[wasnt_me]

How does that make any sense whatsoever? Are you saying you're rubber and I'm glue?

The point is that ILE allowed the media to film the techs working. Perhaps unfairly, finding "nothing" on national TV would be very embarrassing to ILE. (Are you old enough to remember Geraldo and Al Capone's vault?)

But instead, ILE not only finds something, they find the "smoking gun" (against RS) and pass it around for the benefit of the camera.

One has to suspect they knew this would be the outcome, which means the bra clasp was found earlier and who knows how much it was handled then?

The defense rep may have been there, but he wasn't doing anything but observing. How could he influence what ensued, even if he wanted to play for the cameras?

Nothing was turned up in favor of the defense that day, so there was no point to the original rubber/glue statement

 

[wasnt_me]

Doesn't it bother you and otto to think AK was convicted--even in part--because of the way she dressed?

Her dress is in no way indicative of her innocence or guilt, especially not her dress in court, which occurred AFTER the murder, so I'm uncertain why it keeps getting brought up except for as an attempt to degrade her.

Not one shred of evidence can be gleaned from her clothing, not even the clothing she wore the night of the murder.

 

[wasnt_me]

From the letter:



And the full letter:

http://www.italiausa.org/index.php?c=notizia&id=2016

Oh, Dang! I thought this was translated! :maddening:

You've been spoiling us by already putting them through the translator. :innocent:

This is a pretty awesome quote from the letter:

This portrait was displayed at the offices of the State Police even before the first trial, and accompanied by very serious declarations to the press of that ruling (which is not never been sanctioned) where he argues that only an investigation "psychological", and without any help science and technology, "allowed us to arrive very quickly identify the culprits." It is not necessary to recall here that according to legal principles of our country a defendant may be guilty may be set at the end of three sets of proceedings by the judiciary, not the end of police interviews.

So again, RS and Ak are not officially convicts or guilty until the end of 3 trials. So the pro-guilt people are incorrect to call them either, to say that it's a done deal, or to conclude that they are murderers. According to the Italian legal system, they apparently are not--yet. Of course show me the citation if I'm in correct in what is written in the above quote.

 

[Malkmus]

Oh, Dang! I thought this was translated! :maddening:

You've been spoiling us by already putting them through the translator. :innocent:

This is a pretty awesome quote from the letter:

This portrait was displayed at the offices of the State Police even before the first trial, and accompanied by very serious declarations to the press of that ruling (which is not never been sanctioned) where he argues that only an investigation "psychological", and without any help science and technology, "allowed us to arrive very quickly identify the culprits." It is not necessary to recall here that according to legal principles of our country a defendant may be guilty may be set at the end of three sets of proceedings by the judiciary, not the end of police interviews.

So again, RS and Ak are not officially convicts or guilty until the end of 3 trials. So the pro-guilt people are incorrect to call them either, to say that it's a done deal, or to conclude that they are murderers. According to the Italian legal system, they apparently are not--yet. Of course show me the citation if I'm in correct in what is written in the above quote.

It is translated (not by a machine). There's a tab in the top right of the site that lets you toggle the site between English and Italian.

 

[wasnt_me]

Unfortunately, Malkmus, they are referring to that member of Parliament who stupidly said he dreams of Amanda, and asked her to hug him, and he went a bit over the top. I think he does not so much "have the hots" for her, but may be in love. Even so, the 11 lawmakers, Rome, the Associated press----it is too late, the train has left the station, and it will be good for Knox and Sollecito, perchance.......

ooooh, AK's feminine wiles strike again. Glad to know they work for some women. I think he should can the feelings, as they are evident in the letter. At least that he is enamored, but doesn't mean he's wrong, and if her glowing personality helped her case get some attention, I'm glad for her. There are many less charismatics sitting in jail for something they didn't do, but can't get anyone to pay them international attention.

For example, RS. :angel:

No one seems to care about him in the press. It's all about AK. Hopefully, they'll remember to unlock his cell door, too, when they are released.

 

[wasnt_me]

It is translated (not by a machine). There's a tab in the top right of the site that lets you toggle the site between English and Italian.

oh! I missed that. I went to the google translator. Should have known you wouldn't have left us hanging like that.

 

[wasnt_me]

If you think you have more experience in West Coast courtrooms than I, we should compare notes. Florida is on the East Coast of the U.S.

I was called for jury duty in GA. I showed up in a suit and panty hose. They said we could wear what we wanted. Others had on jeans. I showed up the next day in a jogging suit. It was fine.

 

[wasnt_me]

Well, I don't really care all that much about elegant clothes (since my husband died, I really am too sad to even care)--court or a special occasion seemingly calls for it, but I spent a lot of time in Los Angeles and Provincetown, and can have the "dress down" attitude with the best of them, Nova !:great:

pantyhose make me itch. :maddening:

 

[wasnt_me]

Back to this:

Again on my computer I had a keyboard light which switches on when someone uses the keyboard and switches off when someone is not using it after a few minutes ( 2 or 5, I don’t remember). Well every keyboard switch is “quoted” (reported) by the OS (in this case MAC OS X) on a log file named “XWINDOW.LOG”. This file was completely ignored by the postal police. It shows that on the 1st November my key board was never switched off for more than 10 minutes and in 10 minutes no one can leave his home, go to another, kill and come back with such a distance between those houses.
On the other hand, the keyboard light can also be blocked by a video viewer. If you would think that I’ve premeditated the murder, building such a weird alibi, then everything is possible but the truth is that I was at home with Amanda, watching videos and often simply together without taking any notice of what was happening on my computer.

Any techs here know what he's talking about? I hadn't heard of a keyboard that would do such.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VDoSAXZWbJYpU_joovFQ0Y6kzrtm5nTrbE4dp9ac38c/edit?hl=en_US&authkey=COTf0MAM

I'm just stunned still about how they destroyed three computers out of 4 and then wrote over everything in the 4th. Maybe they thought it'd be too suspicious to outright destroy all 4.

I'm just trying to figure out, was he watching movies on the mac or the other that got destroyed?

He said they destroyed the computer after accessing it, so they were able to see anything on it?

The postal police have written a document in which they say, after their analysis, that an unexpected over-voltage has burned the iBOOK, TOSHIBA and ASUS hard disks during their analysis. Then the only surviving MACBOOK PRO hard disk has been analysed.

 

[Malkmus]

Back to this:

Again on my computer I had a keyboard light which switches on when someone uses the keyboard and switches off when someone is not using it after a few minutes ( 2 or 5, I don’t remember). Well every keyboard switch is “quoted” (reported) by the OS (in this case MAC OS X) on a log file named “XWINDOW.LOG”. This file was completely ignored by the postal police. It shows that on the 1st November my key board was never switched off for more than 10 minutes and in 10 minutes no one can leave his home, go to another, kill and come back with such a distance between those houses.
On the other hand, the keyboard light can also be blocked by a video viewer. If you would think that I’ve premeditated the murder, building such a weird alibi, then everything is possible but the truth is that I was at home with Amanda, watching videos and often simply together without taking any notice of what was happening on my computer.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...thkey=COTf0MAM

I'm just stunned still about how they destroyed three computers out of 4 and then wrote over everything in the 4th. Maybe they thought it'd be too suspicious to outright destroy all 4.Any techs here know what he's talking about? I hadn't heard of a keyboard that would do such.

If you're asking if keyboards do that, the answer is yes. I use a macbook pro and it does exactly what he describes - as far as the illumination goes. Whether it's something the computer makes a log of, I would imagine it's quite likely. But I don't know for a fact. RS is a computer science major, so he would know.

 

[wasnt_me]

They need whatever they can get, but I'm confused as to how there were no breaks longer than 10 minutes, if they were watching a movie. Unless they watched the movie on the other computer while he typed away on the mac.

Well, I take that back. I have half a screen up now, watching web shows while typing to you guys, so I guess it's possible.

I'm thrown off, though, by him saying a video can block it. Maybe the video doesn't block it if he's typing, though. Maybe I just don't understand what he's talking about.

 

[Malkmus]

They need whatever they can get, but I'm confused as to how there were no breaks longer than 10 minutes, if they were watching a movie. Unless they watched the movie on the other computer while he typed away on the mac.

Well, I take that back. I have half a screen up now, watching web shows while typing to you guys, so I guess it's possible.

I'm thrown off, though, by him saying a video can block it. Maybe the video doesn't block it if he's typing, though. Maybe I just don't understand what he's talking about.

I believe he's saying that for the period of time where a video was not playing, the keyboard didn't log any activity longer than ten minutes. For the time a video was playing the keyboard was off, but of course the log would then show that a video was playing.

 

[wasnt_me]

You think that keyboard log would show that or another log that the stupid police overwrote?

 

[Malkmus]

Just guessing here, but I don't think that log file is restricted to listing keyboard behavior. I believe all the video activity has already been accounted for. This whole area is one I'm a bit vague on.

 

[wasnt_me]

I understand. I hope they get to this in the appeal.

I am unclear at how they are approaching the appeal. For RG's, it seemed that the judge rebutted everything that RG submitted. I say seemed, because it was the judge's report I was reading, not the actual appeal. So there could have been more points on the appeal that the judge didn't consider. but because there seemed to be a lot of things the judge addressed, I got the idea that he'd addressed each thing RG had presented.

AK and RS' appeals are over 100 pages each. AK's spent pages upon pages addressing those "footprints," but we haven't heard a word about it.

So at the opening of the appeal, did th judge refuse parts of their appeals?