Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #14

[Allusonz]

It's disgusting, especially since it was a name given to her in childhood. Anyone advancing that the childhood pet name is sexy is a gross person.

Yes I find it amazing that a nickname given to her at IIRC 8 years old takes on such ominous connotations to some

 

[Allusonz]

Is he 'self-reporting' THIS time???

So you agree with the contents and message contained in this letter?

Look at the date Fred and read the article. This was the first time he sent letters. We are now in 2011 not 2009 which was 2 years ago

 

[Allusonz]

Some items from the washing machine were tested for evidence, so I think we can conclude that Filomina's statement about the washing machine being warm were taken very seriuosly.

There were no temperatures given of the washing machine at the trial of the first instance. (they must of forgot to do this since it was such a vital piece of information) Thus am perplexed how it can be stated that the washing machine was indeed warm considering FR's rather poor track record at memory with respect to the various versions she gave in her testimony regarding the window shutters

 

[otto]

Am I wrong or did no one ever testify as to whether there was glass UNDER the tossed clothing and other items? Because I can certainly see glass ending up on top of AND under items in the process of tossing the room.

Glass on top.

Knox claimed that there were feces in the toilet that weren't there before or shouldn't have been there - it was something that caused her to think something was amiss in the cottage. Filomina arrived, and Knox was upset about the toilet. Would Filomina go to the bathroom to see what the fuss was about? What about the washer. Where was it in relation to the toilet? Would that explain what Filomina was doing near/at the washing machine?

 

[otto]

Excellent point. BTW, it was the washer, not the dryer (there was no dryer), but point well made all the same!:rocker:

Knox was at the cottage at some time through the night and between roughly 10:30 - 11:30 AM. Filomina arrived sometime around 1 PM. Filomina said that the washing machine was warm, and police found very wet lilac towels in the washing machine - they were examined for evidence.

I'm not seeing a problem ... but I am wondering why there is such an effort to discredit Filomina.

 

[otto]

There were no temperatures given of the washing machine at the trial of the first instance. (they must of forgot to do this since it was such a vital piece of information) Thus am perplexed how it can be stated that the washing machine was indeed warm considering FR's rather poor track record at memory with respect to the various versions she gave in her testimony regarding the window shutters

I understand ... the police were incompetent because they didn't take the temperature of the washing machine while there was a dead girl in the room down the hall. Of course ... if only they had their priorities in order ... we wouldn't have to find other ways to discredit the innocent roommates of the dead girl. Have we been able to dig up any dirt on Laura yet?

 

[otto]

Why was Amanda bleeding again, and didn't she testify that her blood was not there when she was there the day before?

"In the small bathroom, three traces of the victim's blood were found on the bathmat; on the light switch plate with two switches there were traces "of diluted blood, blood presumably mixed with water, as it was pale pink in colour" (page 76) which also came from the victim; a sample was taken from the front part of the faucet of the sink, which yielded the genetic profile of Amanda Knox; another sample taken from a specimen visible to the naked eye on the edge of the drain of the bidet yielded the genetic profiles of the victim and of Knox, a genetic mixture also found on the box of cotton buds near the sink.

More specifically:

The drippings found inside the sink appeared to be diluted blood, pink in colour, proven by testing to be human blood and yielding the genetic mixture of the victim and Knox."

pg 192
http://www.westseattleherald.com/si...ttachments/MasseiReportEnglishTranslation.pdf

 

[otto]

We haven't heard about Knox having habitual nose bleeds, so perhaps her blood got onto the sink because she was bopped in the nose? Was she bopped in the nose? Is there any reason why she would have a bleeding nose? Any thoughts on what Knox's blood was doing on the sink when it wasn't there the day before?

 

[otto]

Remind me again why police should have been taking the temperature of the washing machine upon arriving at the cottage ... rather than attending to the victim and removing the crowd from the crime scene?

And why again is it so strange that Filomina noticed that the washing machine was warm given it's proximity to the toilet that Rudy used ... and Amanda's toilet/poop fear/concern. Didn't Amanda lead police and Filomina through the house talking about the poop that alarmed her and that there was a bunch of blood in the bathroom where she just showered - but didn't notice until afterward? And what about that locked door ... of course everyone was near the washer before Meredith was discovered. For some reason, police and forensic analysts didn't question the fact that the washer was warm - and they tested the contents for evidence.

It's interesting to think about what route Amanda took when she first introduced Filomina and police to whatever concerns she had about in the cottage. Did she point out the poop first, the blood, or the locked bedroom?

 

[otto]

It seems that the defense would have us believe that Knox is a fruitcake who arrived home to an open front door, proceeded to take a shower - scooched across the floor in her birthday suit, was blow drying her hair when she realized poop was in the toilet in the large bathroom that wasn't there when she first got home. That scared her. Then she remembered the blood she didn't see in the bathroom, the broken window and the locked door. Then she toodled over to Raffaele's apt with a mop so she could clean up the water spill in the kitchen from 15 hours earlier (which she claimed was much later in the evening, as late as 11 PM). During brunch, after mopping the floor, she thought to mention the poop, blood, broken window, wide open front door, or locked bedroom door. She made a couple of quick calls to Meredith's phones (one was 3 sec.), ducked a call from Filomina and eventually arranged for Filomina to meet her at the cottage ... then she called mom before anything happened ... and so on. Filomina told Knox to call police, but it was Raffaele that called after they arrived at the cottage, and possibly after the arrival of the Postal Police.

The mixed blood evidence is a bit of a problem for Knox. How can she explain the presence of her blood (genetic profile) in the sink when it wasn't there the day before? Blood deteriorates quickly, so if it gave enough of a match (hopefully more than 2 markers but 16 would be better) that Knox's blood could be identified in the mixed sample, then she was bleeding. We have photos of her on the day that Meredith's body was discovered and her ears were not bleeding.

This is the washing machine:

These are her ears a couple of hours after showering at the cottage ... I don't see any bleeding ... unless maybe the bottom earring was wripped out a while earlier?

 

[SMK]

Knox was at the cottage at some time through the night and between roughly 10:30 - 11:30 AM. Filomina arrived sometime around 1 PM. Filomina said that the washing machine was warm, and police found very wet lilac towels in the washing machine - they were examined for evidence.

I'm not seeing a problem ... but I am wondering why there is such an effort to discredit Filomina.

I wasn't aware that that was what I was doing. If so, then I guess I harbor some resentment perhaps that her claiming not to know Guede at all, and that MK did not know Guede, was immediately believed, but with Knox and Sollecito, it fell on deaf ears. Just trying for a psychological explanation: Dredges up memories of favored sisters, cousins, etc. :crazy:

 

[otto]

I wasn't aware that that was what I was doing. If so, then I guess I harbor some resentment perhaps that her claiming not to know Guede at all, and that MK did not know Guede, was immediately believed, but with Knox and Sollecito, it fell on deaf ears. Just trying for a psychological explanation: Dredges up memories of favored sisters, cousins, etc. :crazy:

It has now been suggested that because Filomina testified that the washer was warm when she arrived that: she was wrong. Her testimony is more or less being ridiculed with questions about why she noticed that it was warm ... questions about whether she was pre-occupied and making things up while the police were negligently herding the crowd out of the house rather than taking the temperature of the washing machine.

It does appear that Filomina's credibility is being questioned based on her testimony about the warm washing machine, while at the same time forensic analysts examined the contents of the washing machine - suggesting that her testimony was validated by others at the scene.

Can you cite a link to testimony where Filomina had met Rudy? Amanda knew Rudy from la Chique as well as through the boys downstairs - in the square, smoking drugs and partying. In the short time that she had lived in Perugia, she had met with Rudy several times through different connections.

 

[SMK]

It has now been suggested that because Filomina testified that the washer was warm when she arrived that: she was wrong. Her testimony is more or less being ridiculed with questions about why she noticed that it was warm ... questions about whether she was pre-occupied and making things up while the police were negligently herding the crowd out of the house rather than taking the temperature of the washing machine.

It does appear that Filomina's credibility is being questioned based on her testimony about the warm washing machine, while at the same time forensic analysts examined the contents of the washing machine - suggesting that her testimony was validated by others at the scene.

Can you cite a link to testimony where Filomina had met Rudy? Amanda knew Rudy from la Chique as well as through the boys downstairs - in the square, smoking drugs and partying. In the short time that she had lived in Perugia, she had met with Rudy several times through different connections.

Well, MK and F also knew the boys downstairs, and had likely met Rudy, it is not a stretch to assume they had done so. Kercher's boyfriend knew Rudy, and the pot plants might have been a further connection. All of them had smoked together. It is not exactly a case where Rudy was a total stranger and only Knox had hooked up with him.:razz:

 

[otto]

We know that Meredith met Rudy at the party where Knox got stoned with Rudy. Meredith was dating the guy downstairs and stayed the night with him ... while Knox (who also knew Rudy from La Chique) left and Rudy might have spent the night in the toilet.

Is there any testimony about Filomina meeting Rudy? Filomina wasn't hanging out at La Chique or the square, not smoking pot with the guys from the basketball court and not at the party downstairs. Where is Filomina supposed to have met Rudy? It's not like she and Knox were in the same social circles or anything. Italians Filomina and Rudy both lived and worked in Perugia and they would have met before Amanda's arrival if they had anything in common. She didn't meet him, but both Amanda and Meredith did - much to Meredith's detriment.

 

[SMK]

we know that meredith met rudy at the party where knox got stoned with rudy. Meredith was dating the guy downstairs and stayed the night with him ... While knox (who also knew rudy from la chique) left and rudy might have spent the night in the toilet.

Is there any testimony about filomina meeting rudy? Filomina wasn't hanging out at la chique or the square, not smoking pot with the guys from the basketball court and not at the party downstairs. Where is filomina supposed to have met rudy? It's not like she and knox were in the same social circles or anything. Italians filomina and rudy both lived and worked in perugia and they would have met before amanda's arrival if they had anything in common. She didn't meet him, but both amanda and meredith did - much to meredith's detriment.

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[Allusonz]

I understand ... the police were incompetent because they didn't take the temperature of the washing machine while there was a dead girl in the room down the hall. Of course ... if only they had their priorities in order ... we wouldn't have to find other ways to discredit the innocent roommates of the dead girl. Have we been able to dig up any dirt on Laura yet?

Great! I see you get my point. Who the heck was paying attention to the washing machine temperature while they are dealing with a break in and a dead body.

If you are going to use something like this as evidence then back it up with the temperature of washing machine

I must state though that the temperature of the body was far more important especially considering all the experts are stating TOD as being between 9 - 10 with stomach contents starting to empty by 10. That means there is a very small window of time for this to have been done by RS and AK. Thus the likely TOD is closer to 9 moreso than 9:30 and especially before 10. That science is very tough to disagree with

 

[Allusonz]

We know that Meredith met Rudy at the party where Knox got stoned with Rudy. Meredith was dating the guy downstairs and stayed the night with him ... while Knox (who also knew Rudy from La Chique) left and Rudy might have spent the night in the toilet.

Is there any testimony about Filomina meeting Rudy? Filomina wasn't hanging out at La Chique or the square, not smoking pot with the guys from the basketball court and not at the party downstairs. Where is Filomina supposed to have met Rudy? It's not like she and Knox were in the same social circles or anything. Italians Filomina and Rudy both lived and worked in Perugia and they would have met before Amanda's arrival if they had anything in common. She didn't meet him, but both Amanda and Meredith did - much to Meredith's detriment.

Let me see if I understand this. Let us say you work in a restaurant and someone comes in that later commits a murder. This now makes you the best of friends? I disagree. They met RG once at the boys flat and he entered her place of employment once IIRC her testimony correctly

 

[Allusonz]

Remind me again why police should have been taking the temperature of the washing machine upon arriving at the cottage ... rather than attending to the victim and removing the crowd from the crime scene?

And why again is it so strange that Filomina noticed that the washing machine was warm given it's proximity to the toilet that Rudy used ... and Amanda's toilet/poop fear/concern. Didn't Amanda lead police and Filomina through the house talking about the poop that alarmed her and that there was a bunch of blood in the bathroom where she just showered - but didn't notice until afterward? And what about that locked door ... of course everyone was near the washer before Meredith was discovered. For some reason, police and forensic analysts didn't question the fact that the washer was warm - and they tested the contents for evidence.

It's interesting to think about what route Amanda took when she first introduced Filomina and police to whatever concerns she had about in the cottage. Did she point out the poop first, the blood, or the locked bedroom?

This makes the likelyhood of anyone checking the washing machine temperature even more unlikely unless that was more important than the break in, checking to see what was missing in which supposedly much of FR's time was spent in her room as per her own testimony, and then having her BF break down the door, deal with ILE, and a dead body

 

[Allusonz]

It seems that the defense would have us believe that Knox is a fruitcake who arrived home to an open front door, proceeded to take a shower - scooched across the floor in her birthday suit, was blow drying her hair when she realized poop was in the toilet in the large bathroom that wasn't there when she first got home. That scared her. Then she remembered the blood she didn't see in the bathroom, the broken window and the locked door. Then she toodled over to Raffaele's apt with a mop so she could clean up the water spill in the kitchen from 15 hours earlier (which she claimed was much later in the evening, as late as 11 PM). During brunch, after mopping the floor, she thought to mention the poop, blood, broken window, wide open front door, or locked bedroom door. She made a couple of quick calls to Meredith's phones (one was 3 sec.), ducked a call from Filomina and eventually arranged for Filomina to meet her at the cottage ... then she called mom before anything happened ... and so on. Filomina told Knox to call police, but it was Raffaele that called after they arrived at the cottage, and possibly after the arrival of the Postal Police.

The mixed blood evidence is a bit of a problem for Knox. How can she explain the presence of her blood (genetic profile) in the sink when it wasn't there the day before? Blood deteriorates quickly, so if it gave enough of a match (hopefully more than 2 markers but 16 would be better) that Knox's blood could be identified in the mixed sample, then she was bleeding. We have photos of her on the day that Meredith's body was discovered and her ears were not bleeding.

This is the washing machine:

These are her ears a couple of hours after showering at the cottage ... I don't see any bleeding ... unless maybe the bottom earring was wripped out a while earlier?

Interesting

It appears from this photo that the very top inside of her ear is indeed red and what appears to be blood around the top earring as well as around the 3rd earring from the bottom. Of course like all of you this is a picture thus I must make this assumption based not on having inspected them in person like everyone else will have to do

ETA I dealt with the washing machine temperature a couple of posts up.

 

[Allusonz]

Knox was at the cottage at some time through the night and between roughly 10:30 - 11:30 AM. Filomina arrived sometime around 1 PM. Filomina said that the washing machine was warm, and police found very wet lilac towels in the washing machine - they were examined for evidence.

I'm not seeing a problem ... but I am wondering why there is such an effort to discredit Filomina.

She is simply not a reliable witness. If one has to give 3 different versions of the state of which one closed the shutters. That is not trying to discredit her as a person simply I have serious doubts as to how much weight can be attributed to her memory