Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #14

[OldSteve]

Yeah, bogus is a word I think about alot here. Her blood at a murder scene is not so easily excused away no matter the circumstances of how it got there. She sure couldn't explain it. :waitasec:

So you think she didn't notice the blood that afternoon before, when she was right there probably brushing her teeth or something... but did notice it when she returned to breeze in for a shower? Riiiiggghhht. Seems like she may have 'snuck back in' instead. :innocent:

A drop of AK blood on a faucet - DNA doesn't tell us when/how it got there.
Show me her blood in MK's room - now that would be something I would find significant. Just a drop (it's just a drop) on the sink faucet - simply comes under the heading of "curious, but not incriminating".

ETA: Least anyone think I have a interest in finding AK innocent, I don't. I also have no interest in finding her guilty - I simply seek the truth.

 

[Allusonz]

Frustrating is right. Your example is perfect- luminol has been 'definately disproven' here and by supporters... but NOT in court or by the experts that gave their opinions at trial. The jury was confident the luminol prints WERE blood, as were the judges. So yes, it is very frustration/tiresome to keep reading the 'disproven' by internet proxy evidence over and over. :banghead:

You are mistaken fred. The luminol footprints were brought up in court. It also was proven that Stephanoni perjured herself by stating that they were not tested with TMB when in fact they had been as per the testimony. This has been discussed and cited repeatedly

 

[Allusonz]

Is there a little smiley thingy that is shown screaming in frustration and pulling all of its hair out??? Cuz I need that one to demonstrate my reaction to this - ON WHAT PLANET IS A SEMEN STAIN NOT RELEVANT TO A SO-CALLED "SEX GAME GONE BAD" MURDER? I'm sorry but I'm not going to mince words: the prosecutor is an effing narcissistic pervert with a giant gaping black hole where a moral compass should be.

OMG ziggy you have stated what I have wanted to for so long now I am dying of laughter (pardon my quirky sense of humour)

 

[Allusonz]

This link just has Mignini saying it wasn't necessary to test the semen:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/


This link says the appellate judge "decided" (God only knows how) that the semen stain (that's what it says; I'm not sure we know it is semen) was "not relevant" to this case! What is the judicial equivalent of "Keystone Kops"?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/12/18/amanda-knox-murder-evidence-will-be-retested.html

Thank you again for this Nova!!! It baffles my mind everytime and is the reason that it is MO they have tested it already

 

[Allusonz]

A drop of AK blood on a faucet - DNA doesn't tell us when/how it got there.
Show me her blood in MK's room - now that would be something I would find significant. Just a drop (it's just a drop) on the sink faucet - simply comes under the heading of "curious, but not incriminating".

ETA: Least anyone think I have a interest in finding AK innocent, I don't. I also have no interest in finding her guilty - I simply seek the truth.

It also does not tell us when it got there. How many times have people here walked past something without seeing it? How many people have stubbed a toe by not seeing something on the floor that post here? How many people have searched their desk looking for that important document or file simply to have an employee walk in and pick it up right in front of you as they chuckle on the way out of your office? I am a pro at all of this

 

[Allusonz]

Nobody at all has testified that it IS a semen stain. It is the 'hope' of supporters that IF it is, it is someone besides RG (the lone-wolf :innocent: )
or RS.

'a narcissistic pervert with no morals'...... wow. Could you have the accused and the prosecutor mixed up? Maybe, no?

I have seen just about everyone believing in AK's and RS's innocence asking why it HAS NOT BEEN TESTED. AK's and RS's defense want it tested so I am not sure where you come up with the "supporters, hope, and IF" part as this makes no sense whatsoever. I am of the opinion that it already was tested just not disclosed as it would not help the prosecution's case. Leaving the impression it was untested leaves a possibility that it could be RS's which only helps the prosecution thus your reasoning here makes simply no sense

 

[Allusonz]

Please don't tell me where I read, because you don't know where I read or how often.

If you don't want to supply proof of what you claimed, then you'll be wrong until you do. Period. prove it, and I have no problems with it, but I won't go prove your claims. Do it yourself. while you're at it, show of the picture of AK holding the mop, because without that, you can't prove she was holding it either.

There are no pictures of them outside holding the mop as the court testimony states they were not holding a mop when the postal police arrived.

Having said that I have seen photoshopped pictures of just that scenerio

 

[Allusonz]

It's in the MOT report.

Actually, if it belonged to our dynamic duo this would be the first hard piece of evidence, but the testing would have to be SO well documented, etc and so on because of all the other problems we've had with this case.

Still if it's there's, I don't know how RG stepped in it, and the other two didn't.

With the way they hid the extensive testing on the footprints that said no blood in them, I would not be surprised if Stefanni did test this stain, but since it didn't yield what she needed, she hid it, just like she hid the "T" test that prove no blood was in the luminol foot prints.

I am not certain at this point in time, after seeing the collection methods, how ILE totally trashed and tossed items into the garbage, on piles etc., that this or any other piece could be validated. I think most of us have seen the videos and I believe experts would have a difficult time validating anything at this time. Especially now that we know how things have been "stored" in the evidence room

 

[dgfred]

There are no pictures of them outside holding the mop as the court testimony states they were not holding a mop when the postal police arrived.

Having said that I have seen photoshopped pictures of just that scenerio

There ARE pictures with a mop and buckedt outside, NOBODY said they were 'holding it'. Twisting words so if fits an agenda/campaign doesn't make it right.

 

[dgfred]

You are mistaken fred. The luminol footprints were brought up in court. It also was proven that Stephanoni perjured herself by stating that they were not tested with TMB when in fact they had been as per the testimony. This has been discussed and cited repeatedly

Yeah right, she perjured herself... but they let it slide. Is that twisting of words to again fit a certain agenda/program? Interesting how here and other blogs some think she perjured/lied on the stand, but the Italian court did nothing about it. Oh yeah, just another facet of the 'conspiracy' against AK :innocent: .

Discussed here and the links to supporting 'stories' doesn't count as valid IMO. They are just opinions.

Is it the evil prosecutor, the misleading media, poor evidence collection, poor testing methods, perjury on the stand missed, a vast Italian conspiracy, or what that got her convicted??? It gets confusion when you guys throw every little piece of 'mud' against the wall hoping one will stick. So far none have.

 

[dgfred]

I have seen just about everyone believing in AK's and RS's innocence asking why it HAS NOT BEEN TESTED. AK's and RS's defense want it tested so I am not sure where you come up with the "supporters, hope, and IF" part as this makes no sense whatsoever. I am of the opinion that it already was tested just not disclosed as it would not help the prosecution's case. Leaving the impression it was untested leaves a possibility that it could be RS's which only helps the prosecution thus your reasoning here makes simply no sense

I disagree with which post makes no sense.

They (supporters) hope that 'if' it was/is semen it is not RSs. That includes the defense. What if it WAS tested and turned out to be RS's? Would you ACCEPT the testing?

Since there is no testimony that it WAS tested, it is only YOUR opinion that it has.

 

[dgfred]

Please don't tell me where I read, because you don't know where I read or how often.

If you don't want to supply proof of what you claimed, then you'll be wrong until you do. Period. prove it, and I have no problems with it, but I won't go prove your claims. Do it yourself. while you're at it, show of the picture of AK holding the mop, because without that, you can't prove she was holding it either.

PMF has several pictures of the red bucket with mop in the Gallery/Crime Scene/pg 2... you ought to check them out. :fencefall:

Nobody claimed they were 'holding' it.

 

[Nova]

Thank you again for this Nova!!! It baffles my mind everytime and is the reason that it is MO they have tested it already

If they have tested it already, why would they keep the results secret?

If the stain came from MK's boyfriend or RG, why not just say so?

If it came from RS, we KNOW they would have announced it!

The only reason to keep it secret, it seems to me, is if it came from someone other than the 3 men listed above.

(ETA never mind. You answered this in a later post, saying that by leaving the semen source "unknown," the prosecution allows the jury to speculate that it might belong to RS.)

 

[Nova]

I disagree with which post makes no sense.

They (supporters) hope that 'if' it was/is semen it is not RSs. That includes the defense. What if it WAS tested and turned out to be RS's? Would you ACCEPT the testing?

Since there is no testimony that it WAS tested, it is only YOUR opinion that it has.

I don't speak for anyone else. I think if the stain is semen, then it almost certainly came from RG, since it appears to be smeared with his footprint.

I am appalled that it was never tested because of what that tells us about ILE, not because I actually expect a test to change the case.

 

[Nova]

PMF has several pictures of the red bucket with mop in the Gallery/Crime Scene/pg 2... you ought to check them out. :fencefall:

Nobody claimed they were 'holding' it.

Have you forgotten how to embed a link?

Because that's certainly a courtesy that has often been extended to you.

 

[dgfred]

Have you forgotten how to embed a link?

Because that's certainly a courtesy that has often been extended to you.

No, because I never learned how. Embarrassing... yes.

I haven't asked to be provided a link if there is something I can go on my own and look at... so that is the courtesy I provided by giving the site/column/and page the pictures were on. Sorry, best I could do.

 

[dgfred]

I guess you could 'ride' me for that, but in reality the pictures ARE there... so wasn't me's tirade about me being 'wrong' was off the mark and uncalled for IMO.

 

[dgfred]

I don't speak for anyone else. I think if the stain is semen, then it almost certainly came from RG, since it appears to be smeared with his footprint.

I am appalled that it was never tested because of what that tells us about ILE, not because I actually expect a test to change the case.

My question was: If it was tested and the results implicated RS or even AK... would you accept the testing? Which testing results have you accepted as accurate so far?

 

[SMK]

My question was: If it was tested and the results implicated RS or even AK... would you accept the testing? Which testing results have you accepted as accurate so far?

I would accept it, and I wager Nova would too. It would seem very clear cut, and not murky as the other ones. If it implicated Knox and Sollecito, so be it.:snooty: ETAI had WANTED to accept all of the original evidence. I was not suspicious, until it was pointed out to be faulty by BF and RH.:razz:

 

[SMK]

No, because I never learned how. Embarrassing... yes.

I haven't asked to be provided a link if there is something I can go on my own and look at... so that is the courtesy I provided by giving the site/column/and page the pictures were on. Sorry, best I could do.

That's fine, then. :blowkiss: