Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #17

[SMK]

How about ... a whole lot of people found Meredith Kercher interesting and are disgusted with the three murderers. How about ... one cannot understand that truth about the murder of Meredith Kercher without encountering information about the murderers: Guede, Knox and Sollecito.

Some people do not find Kercher interesting , either. Many believe there was one murderer.

 

[Sonata]

How about ... a whole lot of people found Meredith Kercher interesting and are disgusted with the three murderers. How about ... one cannot understand that truth about the murder of Meredith Kercher without encountering information about the murderers: Guede, Knox and Sollecito.

How about the fact that almost all the literature based on the suspects is centred around Amanda NOT the other two?

How about even the title of this thread is Amanda Knox appeals conviction, NOT AK and RS?

How about the fact that many of the discussions on here have been utterly centred around AK's 'interesting' behaviour?

 

[Sonata]

I suppose you too missed this post on the last thread from Salem:

"STOP the BICKERING! AND STOP TALKING ABOUT OTHER POSTERS LIKE THEY ARE NOT HERE - WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?????? KNOCK IT OFF.

Salem"

I don't think SMK meant it in that way. I think she(?) was trying to explain to me the reasons for her post. That would have been difficult without mentioning your name directly.

Just my take on the matter! :innocent:

 

[otto]

Some people do not find Kercher interesting , either. Many believe there was one murderer.

So, you're more interested in the murderers than the victim? Weird. I suppose Scott Peterson is interesting too?

 

[wasnt_me]

Quote from Judges Report referring to Lalli's Report
The application of criteria usually used in determining the time of death (temperature decrease, taking the Henssge nomogram into account; rigor mortis; hypostatic marks) led Dr. Lalli to conclude that ‚death may have occurred between 21 hours 30 minutes, and 30 hours and 30 minutes, before the first measurement, and thus between approximately 8 pm on November 1, 2007 and [176] 4 am on November 2, 2007. The intermediate value also indicated by the mathematical reconstruction (26 hours prior to the first measurement) puts the time of death at approximately 11pm on November 1, 2007 (Lalli report, page 61).

According to this, Massei took the median time between 8pm and 4am. and it seems HE, Massei, concluded 11pm. If we could look directly at Lalli's report, then it would solve it. Anyone have access to his report and not just Massei's interpretation of it?

Cause as we all know, Stephanoni "interpreted" the Negative TMB report to mean that blood was there, but the test didn't detect it. We also know that Stephanoni blew up the DNA until it started to read what she wanted. So I'd really like to wait to see if Dr. Lalli's report actually tells us to just decide MK was murdered at 11pm based on his 8pm to 4pm timeframe. Somehow, I get the feeling that it would be scientifically negligent of Dr. Lalli to ask us to do this.

However, his 8pm to 4am time frame does indeed include 930pm, too, so that means it's upholding what RG said about her being stabbed around that time.

 

[otto]

How about the fact that almost all the literature based on the suspects is centred around Amanda NOT the other two?

How about even the title of this thread is Amanda Knox appeals conviction, NOT AK and RS?

How about the fact that many of the discussions on here have been utterly centred around AK's 'interesting' behaviour?

If only Guede had hired a PR firm to promote his basketball skills in the US ... perhaps people would think that he too is interesting.

What interesting behavior have we seen from Knox ... the lying? the hoopla? the cartwheels? the splits? the courtroom outfits? the conviction?

 

[otto]

Otto, please grow up. I am NOT speaking of you as though you are not here, I am hoping you will respond about your error. I am appalled that you would use a term like "broken home", which is considered very bad form in the U.S. in 2011. Why not answer these posts where I have clarified? I really think you must be made to see that girls like Meredith and Amanda do NOT come from "broken homes", and you are being very, very out-of -touch to say so.

How about if you address remarks to me if you wish to address my comments and how about if you discontinue describing what I think or who I am in your comments to others.

Wouldn't that be the "high intellect" thing to do?

 

[Sonata]

Personally in these cases I do tend to find the suspects more interesting. That is not to say they are interesting in a positive way. But generally, in a random killing, since the killer is the one who is behaving outside of the norm, they generally are the more interesting...

In this case I find AK and RS even more interesting than RG because I feel conflicted about whether or not they committed a crime, and the whole scenario of well educated middle class youngsters committing a sex crime is indeed very interesting to me regardless of whether they did it or not.

I also find that AK seems like an interesting character in her own right. With her creative interests (regardless of whether she was any GOOD at it or not), travelling and odd behaviours.

 

[wasnt_me]

For those of us who believe in Jung's theory of synchronicity, I find it interesting that Rudy entered the law office from the Via Del Lupo, the street of the Wolf, as in Lone Wolf....:snooty:

I caught that, too. It also wasn't lost on me the vicinity of the place in regards to the cottage and RG's home.

 

[SMK]

@OTTO: Here are some current views on your term, "Broken home", to describe divorce, on a recent forum:

"Broken Home"
Can we retire this phrase? It's incredibly condescending and outdated. It's also rather inaccurate in that it implies that there are homes where nothing is broken ... as if any of us are perfect, unbroken people.

Please, let's get rid of this phrase.

RE: "Broken Home"
I haven't heard that term in ages. Do people still use it?!?! You'd think with 50%+ of marriages ending in divorce people would've divorced the term quite awhile ago.

And as a kindergarten teacher, I bristle a little bit at the idea of labeling children, especially for something over which they have no control at all. Down with the phrase "broken home!" It's outdated, smug, and generally unnecessary.

http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1977

 

[Sonata]

If only Guede had hired a PR firm to promote his basketball skills in the US ... perhaps people would think that he too is interesting.

What interesting behavior have we seen from Knox ... the lying? the hoopla? the cartwheels? the splits? the courtroom outfits? the conviction?

Perhaps! To be honest I don't know loads about RG and I have not said I don't find him interesting.

And, yes, you just listed a lot of interesting things about Amanda!

 

[otto]

SMK ... let's go back to the context for "broken home" before everyone gets all whacked out about whether it's politically correct to call a broken home a "broken home". You claimed Knox was interesting. I asked why ... questioning whether it could be her poor writing skills, her broken home or her age 12 soccer photo.

 

[SMK]

Not seeing it on the outside:

Absolutely not seeing it on the inside, especially after she left Patrick to rot in jail for 2 weeks.

Photo ref: http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/q9SqavCAezp/Amanda+Knox+Continues+Appeal+Over+Meredith/eRH_tSJWYem

OK, so you pick the worst pictures of her, where the camera caught a bad angle, the lighting was bad, and she looks stressed. And recall, most of us fell in love with her looks in 2008, at the beginning. Her friend Madison Paxton says she is beautiful on the inside, a lover of animals, nature, and people.

 

[SMK]

SMK ... let's go back to the context for "broken home" before everyone gets all whacked out about whether it's politically correct to call a broken home a "broken home". You claimed Knox was interesting. I asked why ... questioning whether it could be her poor writing skills, her broken home or her age 12 soccer photo.

Her family is the most boring, bourgoise, dull, vapid thing about her. Why do you think she fled to Perugia? And Meredith comes from a "broken home", too, which may account for why she hooked up with the boy downstairs, who was really NOT worthy of her in ANY way.

 

[otto]

OK, so you pick the worst pictures of her, where the camera caught a bad angle, the lighting was bad, and she looks stressed. And recall, most of us fell in love with her looks in 2008, at the beginning. Her friend Madison Paxton says she is beautiful on the inside, a lover of animals, nature, and people.

Perhaps Paxton has different standards for "beautiful on the inside" than I do. In my books, liars are not beautiful on the inside, and neither are women that accuse innocent men of murder and then leave them to rot in jail until independent witnesses prove otherwise.

 

[SMK]

<snipped>
Here we go again ... more of that "high intellect", no doubt.

I suppose you too missed this post on the last thread from Salem:

"STOP the BICKERING! AND STOP TALKING ABOUT OTHER POSTERS LIKE THEY ARE NOT HERE - WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?????? KNOCK IT OFF.

Salem"

Defending you gets no one anywhere, Otto. "Broken home" is a condescending term, which I will not tolerate.

 

[wasnt_me]

Again, with all due respect, you've shown him. He may or he may not concede that you have shown him, but I'm here to say you've presented a convincing argument and that's all you can do. You cannot make Otto see your point of view.

I am not talking about you, Otto, as if you are not here. I am just addressing another poster, and therefore using your name in an attempt to mediate. I am not on anyone's side on this. I just want the discussion to move forward.
Thanks!

 

[SkewedView]

Is there something wrong with re-calibrating a machine until a reading can be obtained? Since the resulting reading was indeed a match to Meredith, it's safe to assume that the re-calibrations were done correctly. If the DNA did not match anyone remotely associated with the murder, then perhaps it could be said that there was something incorrect in the procedure.

The only criticism to be made about the knife blade DNA analysis is that perhaps the DNA was on the machine prior to the testing (and re-calibrations), but even that possibility is minimized due to the 6 day gap between the knife DNA testing and prior use of the machine.

When the machine is not designed to read below a certain threshold, and you over-ride it to do so anyway, then yes, there is something very, very wrong with that - it is unethical and skews results. As I have stated before, community college students doing lab are expected to behave with more integrity. And as I have also stated, the ends do not justify the means. Do you disagree with that last statement?


ETA: An idle machine doesn't magically become uncontaminated - and in addition, the key process that MUST have controls, the concentration (amplification) of the sample (because it will amplify any contamination/tampering introduced to the sample), occurs on separate equipment from the final typing of the sample. There is no record of any control for the amplification step, and in addition, no documentation of any quantification test preceding the amplification (despite Steffanoni's testimony to the contrary), another absolutely essential step in the process to prevent contamination/tampering.

One of my sources for the above (gotta hunt down the other ones, forgot to bookmark):

http://forensicdnaconsulting.wordpr...perts’-report-in-the-amanda-knox-case-part-i/

 

[otto]

When the machine is not designed to read below a certain threshold, and you over-ride it to do so anyway, then yes, there is something very, very wrong with that - it is unethical and skews results. As I have stated before, community college students doing lab are expected to behave with more integrity. And as I have also stated, the ends do not justify the means. Do you disagree with that last statement?

There is no minimum amount of DNA required for testing. The machines are designed to test DNA and the machine can be calibrated to read very low amounts of DNA ... so how do you arrive at the conclusion that the machine was not designed to read low amounts of DNA?

 

[wasnt_me]

Okay, so what were we talking about? Oh, lunch....