Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #17

[otto]

Very good idea. Perhaps you can assist me here. I have images of the results for 'sample B' (the Meridith sample), but they are bad copies, and my eyes are tired. Can you make out any info relevant to what we need?

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In the meantime, here's some commentary on the issue, take it as you will:


http://forensicdnaconsulting.wordpr...perts’-report-in-the-amanda-knox-case-part-i/

Applied Biosystems genemapper V3.2.1 is software. I don't see anything on those images indicating what type of machine was used, or how it can be concluded that the machines were not designed to be calibrated to read low amounts of DNA. Apparently the machine could read low amounts of DNA and the match between the DNA from the knife and Meredith suggests the tests were done correctly ... alternatively, it's a miraculous coincidence that the DNA from the knife matched Meredith.

 

[SkewedView]

Applied Biosystems genemapper V3.2.1 is software. I don't see anything on those images indicating what type of machine was used, or how it can be concluded that the machines were not designed to be calibrated to read low amounts of DNA. Apparently the machine could read low amounts of DNA and the match between the DNA from the knife and Meredith suggests the tests were done correctly ... alternatively, it's a miraculous coincidence that the DNA from the knife matched Meredith.

Just so you don't think I'm ignoring you, I have a specific set of responses to this post, but I'm desperately in need of a nap before work, so I will come back to this later, before I do any more responses in this thread. Thanks for the help with those images.

 

[wasnt_me]

What do all of RG's alleged crime scenes have in common?

1. All but one of them food was either cooked or just consumed or drank. We don't know about the knife witnesses house to my knowledge if food had been consumed there.

2. Petty cash or small items were stolen. Carriable items, except the portable printer? don't know how big that was to get away with on foot. the knife witness said RG was in the process of rifling their things, so I assume he got away with nothing since he was caught.

3. A sense of wrecklessness that led to disaster. At three of the scenes, if they are all his, he wound up having to pull a knife on someone, he wound up setting a fire, and he wound up murdering someone.

4. At three of the scenes, he was interrupted. the nursery, the knife witness's house, and MK's house.

5. He made a weird mess at most of the scenes, too, that indicated he'd just been there sitting around board, as if he lived there.

6. He stayed for quite sometime at the scenes. We don't know this for certain, but Im going to theorize that since it was the weekend when these things all occurred, he was looking for somewhere to stay and he spent time in these places. He could have stayed the whole weekend in them for all we know And believing that everyone at the cottage was probably on vacation for the holidays, I believe RG probably thought he'd be alone till monday and had all weekend to live in the house. I saw this pattern in every crime but the knife witness's house and the fire house. I believe it because he had a friend who said RG kept wanting to sleep on his floor and had a sudden adversion to the place where the drug dealers sold drugs on the steps.

According to Nina's book, this friend, Victor, said one day RG didn't want to go around the drug dealers anymore and he stopped wanting to sleep in his own apartment. This friend Victor left the country to return home at the end of September, and it was around this same time that RG's bugarlies started. So it seems RG was hiding out from someone, he had no job, needed food and money, and if he were trying to allude drug dealers he owed money to and his friend who'd offered him solace was gone, then RG had to find other places to stay, including the boys' toilet seat at the cottage.

If he really moved to Perugia in July, it might be possible that he didnt meet the boys' until October, or he didn't start going to their house until his friend, Victor, left town, giving him no where to turn. That would narrow down the timeframe that RG was enjoying some comraderie with the boys, as Massei suggested.

So my thoughts are that he moved to Perugia, tried to live as if he had a job, when he didn't, just like all the students were doing. Might have gotten into oweing a drug dealer or loan shark some money and started stealing or whatever to survive and maybe repay whomever he owed.

 

[emyr]

Does anyone know what day and time Meredith's memorial was?

I remember reading somewhere that the one of the cops "knew" the duo was guilty because they were eating pizza instead.

This receipt shows them ordering pizza on the 4th sometime around 5pm.

http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.co...coming-out-of-the-uk-on-the-amanda-knox-case/

Also, I just read somewhere else that Rudy threw a rock through a double window at the solicitor's office? Can anyone find any data on this exact break-in? Did he throw a rock from the ground, and climb? or did he carry a rock up with him?

 

[wasnt_me]

From this book, which is the only one to give any insight to RG so far, I conclude that he might have been feeling entitled in his crimes because he'd been helped by strangers all his life. They'd taken him into their houses, fed him, given him an education. He'd worked for nothing, essentially.

This is not to discount how he'd been abandoned by his father, and it was kind of all these families to foster him of their own accord; however, it might have also attributed to him having no boundaries with people and their things. Hope i'm making sense. For example, I have a coworker who was hungry one morning. I had an extra breakfast sandwhich and I gave it to her. If I had candy at my desk or something like that, and she'd mentioned being hungry or needing a snack, I'd offer it, if I had it. So one day, I was eating some hasbrown nuggets while I was on the phone. She walked right up to my desk and took one and kept going.

That's what I mean by feeling entitled because of the kindness of others.

Victor said RG sleeping on his floor starting kind of just "happening." and it seemed to be headed that way when the boys downstairs found him on their toilet.

So I really am starting to think RG just needed a place to lay low, and he knew the boys would be gone. Maybe he was purposely looking for the key to their apartment because he somehow knew one of the girls had the key?

I don't know. but this is starting to sound more plausible to me than sex game gone wrong or AK and MK arguing over money AK stole, when AK knew full well that if MK didn't pay the rent, they'd ALL be tossed out. It makes no sense that AK would steal MK's money, which would bring the landlord right to their house to evict them when they didn't have enough cash to pay the rent.

 

[Salem]

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Salem

 

[Salem]

Anymore bickering in this thread and I will close it until the hearings on Sept. 5th.

Please, treat each other respectfully. If you can't do that, then DON'T post, until you can. Go for a walk instead. It is summer in most parts of the country and the sunshine will make you feel better!

Salem

 

[SMK]

What do all of RG's alleged crime scenes have in common?

1. All but one of them food was either cooked or just consumed or drank. We don't know about the knife witnesses house to my knowledge if food had been consumed there.

2. Petty cash or small items were stolen. Carriable items, except the portable printer? don't know how big that was to get away with on foot. the knife witness said RG was in the process of rifling their things, so I assume he got away with nothing since he was caught.

3. A sense of wrecklessness that led to disaster. At three of the scenes, if they are all his, he wound up having to pull a knife on someone, he wound up setting a fire, and he wound up murdering someone.

4. At three of the scenes, he was interrupted. the nursery, the knife witness's house, and MK's house.

5. He made a weird mess at most of the scenes, too, that indicated he'd just been there sitting around board, as if he lived there.

6. He stayed for quite sometime at the scenes. We don't know this for certain, but Im going to theorize that since it was the weekend when these things all occurred, he was looking for somewhere to stay and he spent time in these places. He could have stayed the whole weekend in them for all we know And believing that everyone at the cottage was probably on vacation for the holidays, I believe RG probably thought he'd be alone till monday and had all weekend to live in the house. I saw this pattern in every crime but the knife witness's house and the fire house. I believe it because he had a friend who said RG kept wanting to sleep on his floor and had a sudden adversion to the place where the drug dealers sold drugs on the steps.

According to Nina's book, this friend, Victor, said one day RG didn't want to go around the drug dealers anymore and he stopped wanting to sleep in his own apartment. This friend Victor left the country to return home at the end of September, and it was around this same time that RG's bugarlies started. So it seems RG was hiding out from someone, he had no job, needed food and money, and if he were trying to allude drug dealers he owed money to and his friend who'd offered him solace was gone, then RG had to find other places to stay, including the boys' toilet seat at the cottage.

If he really moved to Perugia in July, it might be possible that he didnt meet the boys' until October, or he didn't start going to their house until his friend, Victor, left town, giving him no where to turn. That would narrow down the timeframe that RG was enjoying some comraderie with the boys, as Massei suggested.

So my thoughts are that he moved to Perugia, tried to live as if he had a job, when he didn't, just like all the students were doing. Might have gotten into oweing a drug dealer or loan shark some money and started stealing or whatever to survive and maybe repay whomever he owed.

Really good list.

 

[Sonata]

Really good list.

Glad you're back! *hugs*

 

[SMK]

From this book, which is the only one to give any insight to RG so far, I conclude that he might have been feeling entitled in his crimes because he'd been helped by strangers all his life. They'd taken him into their houses, fed him, given him an education. He'd worked for nothing, essentially.

This is not to discount how he'd been abandoned by his father, and it was kind of all these families to foster him of their own accord; however, it might have also attributed to him having no boundaries with people and their things. Hope i'm making sense. For example, I have a coworker who was hungry one morning. I had an extra breakfast sandwhich and I gave it to her. If I had candy at my desk or something like that, and she'd mentioned being hungry or needing a snack, I'd offer it, if I had it. So one day, I was eating some hasbrown nuggets while I was on the phone. She walked right up to my desk and took one and kept going.

That's what I mean by feeling entitled because of the kindness of others.

Victor said RG sleeping on his floor starting kind of just "happening." and it seemed to be headed that way when the boys downstairs found him on their toilet.

So I really am starting to think RG just needed a place to lay low, and he knew the boys would be gone. Maybe he was purposely looking for the key to their apartment because he somehow knew one of the girls had the key?

I don't know. but this is starting to sound more plausible to me than sex game gone wrong or AK and MK arguing over money AK stole, when AK knew full well that if MK didn't pay the rent, they'd ALL be tossed out. It makes no sense that AK would steal MK's money, which would bring the landlord right to their house to evict them when they didn't have enough cash to pay the rent.

Good point. Knowing the boys were away, and with his habit of helping himself to people's stoves and refridgerators, maybe his aim was to stay in the boys' place for the weekend. Maybe Meredith and he argued about this.

 

[SMK]

Glad you're back! *hugs*

Thank you. x

 

[SMK]

@Otto: I apologize for being so pushy and heavy handed before. I enjoy your posts, so did not mean to act so grizzly.

 

[SMK]

I keep trying to find a schedule of the court dates, but cannot seem to. I know someone had posted about a week ago from Bruce Fisher, but do not recall who/ or how far back. I guess it bothers me not to have a schedule. I know there is the prosecution continuing on Sep 5, but does anyone know dates after this, or when the ruling is to be ? ( I doubt it is still Sep. 15 now)

 

[SMK]

From this book, which is the only one to give any insight to RG so far, I conclude that he might have been feeling entitled in his crimes because he'd been helped by strangers all his life. They'd taken him into their houses, fed him, given him an education. He'd worked for nothing, essentially.

This is not to discount how he'd been abandoned by his father, and it was kind of all these families to foster him of their own accord; however, it might have also attributed to him having no boundaries with people and their things. Hope i'm making sense. For example, I have a coworker who was hungry one morning. I had an extra breakfast sandwhich and I gave it to her. If I had candy at my desk or something like that, and she'd mentioned being hungry or needing a snack, I'd offer it, if I had it. So one day, I was eating some hasbrown nuggets while I was on the phone. She walked right up to my desk and took one and kept going.

That's what I mean by feeling entitled because of the kindness of others.

Victor said RG sleeping on his floor starting kind of just "happening." and it seemed to be headed that way when the boys downstairs found him on their toilet.

So I really am starting to think RG just needed a place to lay low, and he knew the boys would be gone. Maybe he was purposely looking for the key to their apartment because he somehow knew one of the girls had the key?

I don't know. but this is starting to sound more plausible to me than sex game gone wrong or AK and MK arguing over money AK stole, when AK knew full well that if MK didn't pay the rent, they'd ALL be tossed out. It makes no sense that AK would steal MK's money, which would bring the landlord right to their house to evict them when they didn't have enough cash to pay the rent.

Bolded by me: Yes, I have experienced this kind of thing myself, in an even more extreme way (paying for someone on vacation with me, and then they began to expect me to pay for meals, room, gas, etc.) If this is the case with Rudy, it really ruined his life.....and others....

 

[wasnt_me]

With Nina's help, I found this article which might have given RG the genesis for his fabricated story.

I'm sure he was reading the headlines to see what was published about his crime, and here's what the telegraph said on the 3rd or 4th, right when he hightailed it out of town:

Officers think Meredith Kercher, 21, left three flatmates to go home alone after watching a film on the night she was murdered because she had arranged to see a man she had met the previous night at a Hallowe'en party.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1568338/British-student-made-date-with-her-killer.html

 

[wasnt_me]

Bolded by me: Yes, I have experienced this kind of thing myself, in an even more extreme way (paying for someone on vacation with me, and then they began to expect me to pay for meals, room, gas, etc.) If this is the case with Rudy, it really ruined his life.....and others....

He might have thought people were going to take pity on him and keep giving him stuff and giving him chances, and he was probably bitter after feeling abandoned by his real father and his adoptive one.

What are your thoughts on the theory he was hiding out because someone was after him, possibly for money he owed?

 

[SMK]

With Nina's help, I found this article which might have given RG the genesis for his fabricated story.

I'm sure he was reading the headlines to see what was published about his crime, and here's what the telegraph said on the 3rd or 4th, right when he hightailed it out of town:

Officers think Meredith Kercher, 21, left three flatmates to go home alone after watching a film on the night she was murdered because she had arranged to see a man she had met the previous night at a Hallowe'en party.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1568338/British-student-made-date-with-her-killer.html

Right, this was the direction they were originally thinking in. And Rudy claimed he had flirted with Meredith, when she was dressed as a vampire, at the Halloween party. Meredith was likely smiling and laughing (as he said she was) because she was being friendly and kind to him. But he may have taken it the wrong way, and thought he could seduce her. And it went horribly wrong.

 

[SMK]

He might have thought people were going to take pity on him and keep giving him stuff and giving him chances, and he was probably bitter after feeling abandoned by his real father and his adoptive one.

What are your thoughts on the theory he was hiding out because someone was after him, possibly for money he owed?

Frank Sfarzo had once said he thought Rudy might have owed drug money, been trying to keep a low profile. And yes, I agree, this may have been part of why he needed to be at the cottage. What if there is truth to the "others he saw", and they were after money, and killed MK because she was there, and screaming? And he really did try and help her with the towels?

 

[wasnt_me]

To believe that, we gotta believe MK wanted to have sexual contact with RG. That's what I think. I'm not ready to believe that because of the condition her body was found in. I don't think he would have been left alive, either. And I feel he would have taken himself to Germany that very night, not a disco, if he had somehow been spared. That tail sounds like Jodi Arias' tale about Travi's murder. She said she was taking sexy pics of him in the shower when all of a sudden two masked gunman arrived and killed him in the shower, but she was somehow able to run out. She regrets leaving Travis at the hands of the murders....

Anyways, side note, his body stayed locked in the upstairs part of his house for like a week before his roommates realized they needed to knock down his door. And he had a dog, I think. it was his dog, not the roommates' dog. He was supposed to be going to cancun the day after he was killed. The roommates had thought he was there, I guess. But the people he was meeting were looking for him and so was the girl he was supposed to go with, which was why I don't understand how his body was propped in the shower for a week before someone busted down his door. For MK, it took 16 or so hours? that was much better in comparison.

 

[SMK]

Well, what about my other post, about the Halloween party? I never heard of this other case you speak of--sounds awful....