Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #17

[wasnt_me]

Thanks, w_m, but please don't go to any trouble for me. I just surprised for a moment, but you're probably right that the shoe test took 6 weeks. In any event, it doesn't really matter.

No, I think I'm spouting propaganda. Thanks for saving me.

Because as I was searching, I remembered that they didn't let that shoe print go until RG admitted it was his sometime in 2008 or 2009, right? Remember, RG outright admitted that it would be his.

So we knew about the bra clasp before that.

 

[Allusonz]

What does "high enough intellect" mean? We're all geniuses except when we resort to insults because we're losing an argument? We're all intellectuals except when we talk about other's as though they're not reading here? We're all brilliant except when we assume the sum of the parts is greater than the whole.

in·tel·lect   /ˈɪntlˌɛkt/ Show Spelled[in-tl-ekt] Show IPA
noun
1. the power or faculty of the mind by which one knows or understands, as distinguished from that by which one feels and that by which one wills; the understanding; the faculty of thinking and acquiring knowledge.
2. capacity for thinking and acquiring knowledge, especially of a high or complex order; mental capacity.
3. a particular mind or intelligence, especially of a high order.
4. a person possessing a great capacity for thought and knowledge.
5. minds collectively, as of a number of persons or the persons themselves

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/intellect

 

[Allusonz]

If anything, someone might read the book because they are looking for a trashy "true crime" novel to read while wasting a few hours, but not because Knox is an interesting person. There is nothing about Knox that makes her interesting. People may be curious about the predicament she got herself into, but I doubt anyone wants to see Knox at the age of 12 posing for her soccer photo, hear about her broken home, or read about how she blew off a job at the Bundesrepublik so she could drink wine and smoke dope at the park.

I don't believe a blanket statement can be made about all people. It may not appeal to some while it may appeal to others

 

[Allusonz]

It has also been said that he told the nursey school owner that someone told him for 50 euros, he could board there. This cannot possibly be true, as if he had been told that, he would have immediately left upon finding the place vacant, not have broken in and made himself at home.

He would also tell people that he was south African and American. How he got away with that, I do not know.

That being said, i do believe that there are some truths in his lies. Like I believe him about what time he said he got there, and what time he said he left which is all consistent with the evidence of what time MK got home, the TOD and the strange phone activity on MK's phone.

I agree. I believe there is some element of truth in RG's statements. For example how else would he know that MK's window was not broken

 

[Allusonz]

When the machine is not designed to read below a certain threshold, and you over-ride it to do so anyway, then yes, there is something very, very wrong with that - it is unethical and skews results. As I have stated before, community college students doing lab are expected to behave with more integrity. And as I have also stated, the ends do not justify the means. Do you disagree with that last statement?


ETA: An idle machine doesn't magically become uncontaminated - and in addition, the key process that MUST have controls, the concentration (amplification) of the sample (because it will amplify any contamination/tampering introduced to the sample), occurs on separate equipment from the final typing of the sample. There is no record of any control for the amplification step, and in addition, no documentation of any quantification test preceding the amplification (despite Steffanoni's testimony to the contrary), another absolutely essential step in the process to prevent contamination/tampering.

One of my sources for the above (gotta hunt down the other ones, forgot to bookmark):

http://forensicdnaconsulting.wordpr...perts’-report-in-the-amanda-knox-case-part-i/

Needs repeating. You simply don't over-ride the computer settings to get what you want

 

[Allusonz]

I keep trying to find a schedule of the court dates, but cannot seem to. I know someone had posted about a week ago from Bruce Fisher, but do not recall who/ or how far back. I guess it bothers me not to have a schedule. I know there is the prosecution continuing on Sep 5, but does anyone know dates after this, or when the ruling is to be ? ( I doubt it is still Sep. 15 now)

According to the last hearing they will begin on the 5th and continue daily till all witnesses/items are covered thus every day. Of course we all know these dates have changed a number of times

 

[Allusonz]

To me, it's weird that she, who committed no crime, had a lawyer on the scene within an hour of the body's discovery. That is weird to me, yes, whether she understood the system or not. I do not know what she, who committed no crime, needed a lawyer for, and she certainly didn't share that lawyer or lawyer's advice with other flatmates. Why not help out AK, who wasn't a suspect that day, by telling her to get a lawyer, too, if she knew the system so well. I'm totally not understanding that.

Instead, RF pretended to still be AK's friend and that they'd get a place together again right up until AK was arrested, because in my opinion, she wanted to glean information out of AK. If what the book we're reading says is true, RF expressed a lot of frustration with Ak and had started to suspect her on Saturday or sunday, and yet, she still called AK and pretended to be all friends and moving together.

I just don't know about RF.

This is simply one aspect I have always found unsettling. The fact that she called her lawyer before a body was discovered

 

[Allusonz]

I'm 6'3" and I promise my legs are proportionate to the rest of me. If I shaved them, I'd never have time to do anything else.

I've never understood why women let that practice get started anyway.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Dang I thought you had left on your trip and i could sneak that past you :giggle:

Truly I would not wish that on my worse enemy and since we all love ya so much we will simply watch you dance :giggle:

(as Nova rolls his eyes again)

Better stop while I am ahead lol

 

[emyr]

Of course RG sticks to an early timeline. How is he going to explain sitting on the toilet for 2 hours? Dr. Lalli puts TOD around 23:00 and the report makes it pretty clear it is not exact science. I know TOD is mentioned in RS's appeal but I haven't seen it discussed in court yet. I think 2 hours is more then enough time to get messed up and do something stupid.

2 hours is enough to get messed up and do something stupid, i.e. commit murder, but it is not enough time to get scared enough to falsely confess you were present at a murder?

 

[sherlockh]

2 hours is enough to get messed up and do something stupid, i.e. commit murder, but it is not enough time to get scared enough to falsely confess you were present at a murder?

Not in a room full of people. How long did it take for her boyfriend to 'falsely' confess she was not with him? She got a year extra in jail for the false accusation. It is not a little thing she did. But we went over that so many times already. I don't really have anything new on the topic

 

[Nova]

Not in a room full of people. How long did it take for her boyfriend to 'falsely' confess she was not with him? She got a year extra in jail for the false accusation. It is not a little thing she did. But we went over that so many times already. I don't really have anything new on the topic

That would be a room full of hostile people shouting at her. Most of us have never experienced that.

 

[SMK]

So I am assuming hearings daily for the week of the 5th,(@wasnt_me, this is where we got that idea of court every day) - and then the ruling some weeks after this now: Probably October now, rather than Sep. 15:

The hearings will resume on September 5th with Francesco Maresca's cross-examination of the independent experts and hearings will probably continue for a number of days that week.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/amanda-knox-prosector-blasts-dna-report/story?id=14195630&page=2

 

[SMK]

Not in a room full of people. How long did it take for her boyfriend to 'falsely' confess she was not with him? She got a year extra in jail for the false accusation. It is not a little thing she did. But we went over that so many times already. I don't really have anything new on the topic

I think since the police already felt that Amanda was such a liar, and so confused, and saying things "felt like a dream", that they were really foolhardy not to check out PL's alibi quickly, and make sure they were not holding him wrongly for 2 weeks.

 

[SMK]

Just posting this Ground Report article of this a.m., as it was at the top of Google News for Knox. A bit hyperbolic and turgid, but....

Amanda Knox: The Final Argument:
[. . . ]
1. Bleach can not selectively leave potato starch on the blade of a knife and only remove blood.
2. This knife was never Bleach washed, never had any blood on it; it was not the murder weapon.
3. Therefore, this was not a mistake of cross contamination, because there was no test (NO BLOOD = NO TEST)
4. The prosecution DNA team had to do a dimethyl-dihydro-peroxysan/tetramethylbenzidine test to find any traces of hemoglobin, there was none!
5. Therefore, as proven by the presence of starch, but no blood residue, the prosecution absolutely, unequivocally also knew that there was no blood!
6. Common sense (= logic applied to fact) says this is proof of "perjury" by the prosecution team! (more proof below)
7. My support of this hypothesis is more logic. No test means that there was “no test report generated.” The DNA test equipment generates the test report which includes the DNA kit serial number and the serial number of the DNA machine.
8. In court last week, the DNA report was requested for verification because it had not been submitted. The prosecution reluctantly produced a Xerox copy of a report that showed a little cut and paste of Amanda’s name and other pertinent information. They FORGOT about matching the serial numbers, the serial numbers did not match. It was clear proof that the document was forged. (Again, PERJURY!)

The DNA results used to convict Amanda and Raffaele were BOGUS, FAKE, CONTRIVED, A FLAT OUT UNABATED LIE!!!

http://www.groundreport.com/World/AMANDA-KNOX-THE-FINAL-ARGUMENT/2940685

 

[SMK]

In Burleigh's book, Amanda's college friend Madison Paxton is interviewed, and describes the "weirdness" of Amanda: Her gentle heart and compassion for others, coupled with a bluntness and lack of boundaries. It certainly sounds like her own nature was setting her up for the confrontation in Perugia.

From Burleigh's descriptions of Mignini, he was Amanda's polar opposite: Traditional, religious, rigid, impeccably honest. One can certainly see how she might have been woefully misunderstood at the critical moment.

 

[emyr]

The door was the type that had to be locked when closed. If it was not locked, it did not stay closed.

The door was not left wide open when Knox and Sollecito left the afternoon before (per their information), and they were the last to be at the cottage before Meredith returned home alone. Therefore, it was locked when Meredith arrived home. It has been ruled out that Meredith invited Guede in because she was tired (having been at halloween parties until 6 am - IIRC), probably a bit hungover and had borrowed a book (to prepare for an exam) that she had to return the following day at noon.

There is no evidence to suggest that Guede was carrying a large rock.

When did Knox babysit children ... when she was 14 years old? A lot changes between 14 and 20. The family - even CNN - has been publishing childhood photos of Knox in order to influence public opinion into believing that she's a wee lass. If Guede had a PR company, we would be seeing sweet innocent pictures of him as a child too. The bottom line is that none of the culprits were children when they committed the murder.

Guede was abandoned by his mother. At the age of 5, he went to Italy with his father and, when his father returned to the Ivory Coast, he was adopted by a well to do family in Perugia. He was not a good student, but excelled at basketball. He was not a good worker, but he had his own apartment. Sollecito had been picked up by police for drug possession, but not Guede. Sollecito had been caught with bestiality videos on his computer and had to be monitored because of his abnormal interests. Knox had been given a citation for disturbance of the peace and rock throwing. Much has been done to paint Guede as a bad person prior to the murder, but Guede had no criminal record. When he was discovered in the daycare, which he thought was a squatter's place (according to him), he was non-confrontational. There was no violence in Guede's past.

Curt and Edda Knox are facing slander charges for publicly stating to the British media that Knox was deprived of physically and pyschologically abused for 54 hours. The only source for that information is Knox ... as neither her lawyers nor parents would make that up for no reason.

The evidence against all three culprits was sufficient for a jury or Judge (Guede's trial) to conclude that they are all guilty of murder. The evidence against Guede is not stronger than the evidence against the other two. However, if we eliminate all the forensic evidence, then the evidence against all three of them is equally weak. Guede admitted being in the bathroom at the time of the murder and the evidence proves that he was in the bathroom at some point.

Regarding the 54 hours:

"But Knox's lawyers say the Seattle native only confessed to being at home the night of the murder after nearly 54 hours of intense interrogation without a solicitor or interpreter. She later retracted her statement."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/amanda-knoxs-lawyers-confident/story-fn6e1m7z-1225992691127

"Curt Knox said, "Amanda was abused physically and verbally. She told us she was hit in the back of the head by a police officer with an open hand, at least twice. The police told her, 'If you ask for a lawyer, things will get worse for you' and 'If you don't give us some explanation for what happened, you're going to go to jail for a very long time.'"

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/02/15/501364/main20031993.shtml

I'm just saying if Rudy had to carry a rock up to break the window at the solicitor's office, then mabe he had a habit of carrying rocks around with him. Just a thought. The only proof that he might have done it, and that's if he did it in the pass. All unknown. Sheer speculation.

The point about babysitting was that IMO I would have let a 20 year old Knox babysit my kids and not Guede. It's just an indication of how trustworthy they seemed prior to Nov 1st. Just my opinion.

As for the Guede part, your statements minimize his past, while at the same time over-stating and skewing Amanda's background into the worse possible light. Why? Guede was in fact caught breaking and entering, and caught with stolen goods and a knife. Amanda got a ticket for a loud party at which people stated rocks were being thrown (not by Amanda).

The others have addressed the 54 hour issue. And also, being hit twice on the head is substantially different than saying you were beaten.

 

[SMK]

I'm just saying if Rudy had to carry a rock up to break the window at the solicitor's office, then mabe he had a habit of carrying rocks around with him. Just a thought. The only proof that he might have done it, and that's if he did it in the pass. All unknown. Sheer speculation.

The point about babysitting was that IMO I would have let a 20 year old Knox babysit my kids and not Guede. It's just an indication of how trustworthy they seemed prior to Nov 1st. Just my opinion.

As for the Guede part, your statements minimize his past, while at the same time over-stating and skewing Amanda's background into the worse possible light. Why? Guede was in fact caught breaking and entering, and caught with stolen goods and a knife. Amanda got a ticket for a loud party at which people stated rocks were being thrown (not by Amanda).

The others have addressed the 54 hour issue. And also, being hit twice on the head is substantially different than saying you were beaten.

I know for certain that one of the articles I read in the past stated that Rudy did have a rock in his backpack. Also a knife and a small hammer.

I do not understand minimizing Guede's history or spinning Knox's to seem worse than it actually was, either, but I have now seen many do it, here and on other forums.

I think the fact that Guede was in the habit of unlawfully entering people's cottages, helping himself to food, and using the stove for cooking, along with taking items he could carry away, made him a ticking time-bomb for murder. Why? Because at some point someone was going to come home and encounter him, and threaten to call the police. I believe this is what Meredith did, and he killed her because he was humiliated and embarrassed with the situation, which he saw he could not talk his way out of...

 

[Nova]

In Burleigh's book, Amanda's college friend Madison Paxton is interviewed, and describes the "weirdness" of Amanda: Her gentle heart and compassion for others, coupled with a bluntness and lack of boundaries. It certainly sounds like her own nature was setting her up for the confrontation in Perugia.

From Burleigh's descriptions of Mignini, he was Amanda's polar opposite: Traditional, religious, rigid, impeccably honest. One can certainly see how she might have been woefully misunderstood at the critical moment.

In some descriptions, AK almost sounds mildly autistic. I'm not an expert on autism, not even remotely, but that's what it sounds like.

Nothing in her "odd" behavior makes her more likely to be a murderer.

 

[SMK]

In some descriptions, AK almost sounds mildly autistic. I'm not an expert on autism, not even remotely, but that's what it sounds like.

Nothing in her "odd" behavior makes her more likely to be a murderer.

I agree. On one page, Paxton describes Amanda stopping in an alley, and counting out $300 she had in her purse, right in front of passers-by. Sounds like my son, and he does have clinical Aspberger syndrome.

I recall that Time magazine article, asking if Knox might have an autism spectrum disorder, and Candace Dempsey was outraged. But I thought it made sense, and that the article was illuminating. Autism Spectrum Disorder would actually point away from murder, but toward being severely misunderstood.

This kind of picture of her in court, as well, where she clearly has dirty hair and is without a bra, makes me wonder if she is not reverting back to her state of disorganization which Paxton describes at the U of WA, and which comes in times of stress to those with ASD.

ZIMBIO SITE, AMANDA KNOX

 

[OldSteve]

Good observations SMK and Nova about AK having autism spectrum disorder, or something related! Would account for her odd behavior at times, and perhaps why she did not think more clearly about the legal predicament she was getting into....