Meredith Kercher murdered - Amanda Knox convicted, now appeals #5

[Malkmus]

The original reference was regarding [female] university students, not people in general, nor published authors.

Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with your statement.

Here is what I wrote:

I'm going to guess that many young adults write about taboo subjects or edgy topics that mimic the current media trends.

I think when young people like Amanda write stories they imitate what they read in books and and see in the movies and television. Do creative writing classes share a distinctly different theme than those you find in published books?

I also wrote:

If you were to take a sample from a college creative writing class of women today would you be surprised to see many of the stories depicting certain fears like rape, drugs, pregnancy, and death?

I did additionally refer to college girls, but fail to see why they would write about different things than what's out there in the media (i.e. books, TV, movies). Isn't that what young writers aspire to?

 

[Allusonz]

Was this in response to someone?

hope that helps malkmus

 

[Malkmus]

Honestly and again MOO

I think there were mistakes right from the start not simply GM himself

The very first thing a coroner is to do is take the BODY TEMPERATURE

The ILE did not seal off the crime scene

Some i find to be suspicious such as frying 3 out of 4 hard drives

Others like the DNA on the knife i believe to be contamination

Basically standard procedure kinda fell by the wayside just about every point in this investigation

As for GM he is appealing his sentance and has not been asked to step down which would be demanded here. In fact even though the same prosecutor is not allowed to be on the appeals in Italy he is.

He is CONSULTING :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Yes, it would be much harder to argue police incompetence or contamination if ILE had not made other numerous mistakes - some they never even figured out themselves, like RS's shoeprints not matching bloody ones. His own family figured that one out.

 

[flourish]

Unfortunately, if a person wishes to make a living off of writing, it is seen in books but news programs, news articles etc, the Hardy Boy stuff does not sell books, newspapers or bring ratings up.

Yes some have been able to make a living off of travel articles, cooking etc., but i think most will find that over all the ones that do make the money are the ones that deal with murder, sex, drugs etc. Whether or not i agree with that simply is not how the world as we know it today works unfortunately

I'm not arguing about what kind of reading material sells and is popular. I was clarifying the earlier discussion regarding AK's creative writing and the idea that a random sample of female university student creative writing papers may or may not demonstrate that it is or is not common for female university students to write primarily about violence, rape, etc.

 

[flourish]

Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with your statement.

Here is what I wrote:



I think when young people like Amanda write stories they imitate what they read in books and and see in the movies and television. Do creative writing classes share a distinctly different theme than those you find in published books?

I also wrote:



I did additionally refer to college girls, but fail to see why they would write about different things than what's out there in the media (i.e. books, TV, movies). Isn't that what young writers aspire to?

Malkmus, I apologize if I misunderstood and/or mis-represented what you were saying. That was unintentional, however I still think my point still adds to the conversation.

 

[dgfred]

Denial of all evidence is the point/pattern.

Anything for innocent? No, not really. There is a PILE of different 'things' the innocent side tries mightily to excuse away.

'Storming off' comes from the Daily Mail articles with Patrick's interviews IIRC.
I'll have to look again.

Filomena testified she closed the outside shudders because of the wood being swollen and tightened against the sill. A couple of examples of people being mistaken or not remembering exactly don't take away (or excuse) from the continuous lies that RG, AK, and RS have told as evidence was produced against them implying guilt. Any comparison is bogus IMO.

I doubt all 'infected' earring holes look the same, but as noted it is a convenient excuse for blood drops... then again IMO she would have noticed blood dripping from her ear into the sink. :waitasec: Also wondering if maybe the lamp was in the room to look for a torn out earring... and her neck looked a little scraped or something in some pics too IMO.

My reasons for the staging are the obvious ones, instead of the unreasonable or invented ones.
-No evidence whatsoever that anyone climbed the wall, went thru the window, or was inside the room (except AK/Meredith's blood drop).
-No glass on the ground outside the window.
-No disturbance on the ground outside the window.
-At least, semi-closed or pulled together shudders per Filomena.
-Rock thrown from inside the room IMO.
-Glass on top of clothes thrown to the floor.
-AK's dna mixed with a drop of Meredith's blood.
-Balcony way easier entry point for a true burgler, as seen by the 2 break-ins after the murder that used this route.
-Difficulty of getting to window ledge and pulling thru without leaving evidence of it.
-Room ransacked by throwing clothes on floor, but nothing of value stolen from the room... nothing!

The bathmat print is deluded in water because RS was cleaning his bare feet, and left the print. I wonder if the 'bathmat shuffle' story was concerning where the other prints went to? There are NO footprints at all of RG going to the bathroom with blood on his feet/shoes.

If there were any prints of the two in Meredith's room, it is my opinion they were cleaned with the towels. But then again... maybe they didn't step in any blood except during the barefoot cleanup and didn't have to clean but a couple of other footprints/etc around the body.

Anyone looking for articles/etc that support the verdict being correct and not seeing any are not looking very hard IMO, especially coming out from Italy.
Plus there is really no point of making too many articles/etc to discuss or defend the evidence when it won a guilty verdict... only for debating and what is under appeal IMO.

 

[Malkmus]

Malkmus, I apologize if I misunderstood and/or mis-represented what you were saying. That was unintentional, however I still think my point still adds to the conversation.

No problem. I'm glad I could elaborate my point for you

 

[dgfred]

[ob-fuh-skeyt, ob-fuhs-keyt] Show IPA

–verb (used with object), -cat·ed, -cat·ing.
1. to confuse, bewilder, or stupefy.
2. to make obscure or unclear: to obfuscate a problem with extraneous information.
3. to darken.

Exactly how AK answered most questions before and during the trial IMO... and started out the same way at appeal it seems too.

Would 'telling rubbish' classify? :waitasec:

 

[flourish]

Sounds par for the course to me. I'm going to guess that many young adults write about taboo subjects or edgy topics that mimic the current media trends. If you were to take a sample from a college creative writing class of women today would you be surprised to see many of the stories depicting certain fears like rape, drugs, pregnancy, and death? How often are these things depicted in books, movies, and TV?

RBBM
I guess that emboldened sentence is the one I was thinking of and responding to.

These things are often depicted in books, movies, etc., along with a lot of other themes. You have got me thinking about exactly how often these things are depicted in young female university student's writings, though, so thanks for the food for thought

 

[flourish]

Denial of all evidence is the point/pattern.

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I doubt all 'infected' earring holes look the same, but as noted it is a convenient excuse for blood drops... then again IMO she would have noticed blood dripping from her ear into the sink. :waitasec: Also wondering if maybe the lamp was in the room to look for a torn out earring... and her neck looked a little scraped or something in some pics too IMO.
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Most respectfully emboldened and snipped by me, for space and emphasis.

Not that it probably matters, but, as a woman, I've been dealing with my own pierced ears as well as dealing with the pierced ears of my numerous young students at school. Infected ear piercings are much more likely to ooze puss and clear grossness than actually bleed. Earlobes don't generally bleed when they are pierced, either. The idea that an infected ear piercing would bleed enough to actual drip blood is simply unfathomable to me. Does that mean it has never happened and never happened in this case? Nope! I'm just offering my female perspective on that piece.

In short, it is my personal strong opinion that an infected ear piercing would NOT cause any sort of blood droplets. The possibility of a torn out earring during a struggle is a reasonable idea, though, IMO. I agree that is much more likely to cause dripping blood than an infected earlobe hole. And, yes, it is possible to tear out an earring without actually tearing a slit through the earlobe itself. The back of the earring can be ripped off and the post come out, or a wire earring can be yanked and slide roughly out of the hole without tearing the entire lobe. JMO

 

[flourish]

Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with your statement.

Here is what I wrote:



I think when young people like Amanda write stories they imitate what they read in books and and see in the movies and television. Do creative writing classes share a distinctly different theme than those you find in published books?

I also wrote:



I did additionally refer to college girls, but fail to see why they would write about different things than what's out there in the media (i.e. books, TV, movies). Isn't that what young writers aspire to?

RBBM It depends on the creative writing class. Some profs offer specific topics and/or writing prompts. Others specify a particular theme or style of writing or even genre. Are all university students who take creative writing classes aspiring writers? I could have sworn in my disgustingly long undergrad career that creative writing was included as part of required core classes.

 

[Allusonz]

Some food for thought on ear piercing

I myself have a very high clotting factor, probably too high as i rarely will bleed even from a cut and if i do rarely will it even drip

My daughter on the other hand has a much lower clotting factor and her earrings continually become infected. When hers infect there are litterally drops of blood. I wont even go into cuts.

It very well could be more of a bodies ability to clot which as we know varies in every individual

 

[Malkmus]

Denial of all evidence is the point/pattern.

Anything for innocent? No, not really. There is a PILE of different 'things' the innocent side tries mightily to excuse away.

Then maybe claiming that pro-innocenters refuse to see any signs of guilt should stop, since conversely the one making that claim refuses to see any possibility of innocence.

'Storming off' comes from the Daily Mail articles with Patrick's interviews IIRC.
I'll have to look again.

So, it's from a tabloid which Nicki has since clarified Patrick's position on. Therefore, I see no reason anyone should believe the "storming off claim".

Filomena testified she closed the outside shudders because of the wood being swollen and tightened against the sill. A couple of examples of people being mistaken or not remembering exactly don't take away (or excuse) from the continuous lies that RG, AK, and RS have told as evidence was produced against them implying guilt. Any comparison is bogus IMO.

From the judge's report:

It must be held that when Filomena Romanelli left the house in via della Pergola, she had pulled the shutters towards the interior of her room, although she did not think that she had actually closed them

I doubt all 'infected' earring holes look the same, but as noted it is a convenient excuse for blood drops... then again IMO she would have noticed blood dripping from her ear into the sink. :waitasec: Also wondering if maybe the lamp was in the room to look for a torn out earring... and her neck looked a little scraped or something in some pics too IMO.

What you seem to be saying is that you don't believe her drop of blood in the sink was from her recent piercing. But the problem is that she was inspected by ILE for any injuries and none were found. So this idea that she was wounded while attacking Meredith just doesn't fly. On the other hand though, we know Amanda's ear was recently pierced and that recently pierced ears can bleed. Just Google "Pierced ears bleeding" and see all the people asking for help.

My reasons for the staging are the obvious ones, instead of the unreasonable or invented ones.
-No evidence whatsoever that anyone climbed the wall, went thru the window, or was inside the room (except AK/Meredith's blood drop).
-No glass on the ground outside the window.
-No disturbance on the ground outside the window.
-At least, semi-closed or pulled together shudders per Filomena.
-Rock thrown from inside the room IMO.
-Glass on top of clothes thrown to the floor.
-AK's dna mixed with a drop of Meredith's blood.
-Balcony way easier entry point for a true burgler, as seen by the 2 break-ins after the murder that used this route.
-Difficulty of getting to window ledge and pulling thru without leaving evidence of it.
-Room ransacked by throwing clothes on floor, but nothing of value stolen from the room... nothing!

Raffaele's lawyer claimed there was glass outside and there are no photos to prove otherwise. As Bruce Fisher pointed out on his website, there are clay/dust particles just under the window where RG would have stepped. The wall is full of imperfections, none of which can be disproved as scuffs from someone's shoes.

The break-ins after the murder couldn't be repeated via Filomena's room because bars were put on her window.

Where are AK and RS's footprints outside from when they would have grabbed the big rock?

The bathmat print is deluded in water because RS was cleaning his bare feet, and left the print. I wonder if the 'bathmat shuffle' story was concerning where the other prints went to? There are NO footprints at all of RG going to the bathroom with blood on his feet/shoes.

Since we disagree on whose footprint is on the mat I guess we can't progress from here on the subject.

If there were any prints of the two in Meredith's room, it is my opinion they were cleaned with the towels. But then again... maybe they didn't step in any blood except during the barefoot cleanup and didn't have to clean but a couple of other footprints/etc around the body.

I don't understand how saying "maybe they didn't step in any blood except during the barefoot cleanup and didn't have to clean but a couple of other footprints/etc around the body," excuses the lack of Luminol prints in the murder room. If they stepped in any of Meredith's blood and tracked it in the hallway it would have originated in the bedroom, so you would expect to find some in there.

Regardless, the Luminol footprints tested negative for blood, as did the knife...

Anyone looking for articles/etc that support the verdict being correct and not seeing any are not looking very hard IMO, especially coming out from Italy.
Plus there is really no point of making too many articles/etc to discuss or defend the evidence when it won a guilty verdict... only for debating and what is under appeal IMO.

Uh, I haven't had to search for any articles that question the verdict or evidence since they all do, at least the ones since the release of the motivations report. I'm sure there are some articles from around the time of the verdict that supported it, but now that the fallacies of the judge's report have been revealed and so many early facts surrounding the case have since been proven false, it's very hard to find anyone in support of it.

 

[Malkmus]

RBBM It depends on the creative writing class. Some profs offer specific topics and/or writing prompts. Others specify a particular theme or style of writing or even genre. Are all university students who take creative writing classes aspiring writers? I could have sworn in my disgustingly long undergrad career that creative writing was included as part of required core classes.

I may have opened the wrong can of worms by simply mentioning "college creative writing classes". I think the bigger picture here is to simply look at Amanda's story (about date rape at a party IIRC) and determine if if it's unusual for girls here age to write about such subjects. Personally, I find nothing strange about it, but since that appears to come off as bias, I think the only way to resolve this is with some actual data.

 

[Malkmus]

Most respectfully emboldened and snipped by me, for space and emphasis.

Not that it probably matters, but, as a woman, I've been dealing with my own pierced ears as well as dealing with the pierced ears of my numerous young students at school. Infected ear piercings are much more likely to ooze puss and clear grossness than actually bleed. Earlobes don't generally bleed when they are pierced, either. The idea that an infected ear piercing would bleed enough to actual drip blood is simply unfathomable to me. Does that mean it has never happened and never happened in this case? Nope! I'm just offering my female perspective on that piece.

In short, it is my personal strong opinion that an infected ear piercing would NOT cause any sort of blood droplets. The possibility of a torn out earring during a struggle is a reasonable idea, though, IMO. I agree that is much more likely to cause dripping blood than an infected earlobe hole. And, yes, it is possible to tear out an earring without actually tearing a slit through the earlobe itself. The back of the earring can be ripped off and the post come out, or a wire earring can be yanked and slide roughly out of the hole without tearing the entire lobe. JMO

I think it's important to note that it was a recent piercing that had been bleeding and caused infection. From the link below I see no reason to believe that Amanda wouldn't have been bleeding as she stated she was.

infected ear piercing bleeding - Google Search

 

[flourish]

I may have opened the wrong can of worms by simply mentioning "college creative writing classes". I think the bigger picture here is to simply look at Amanda's story (about date rape at a party IIRC) and determine if if it's unusual for girls here age to write about such subjects. Personally, I find nothing strange about it, but since that appears to come off as bias, I think the only way to resolve this is with some actual data.

Close that can, man

Seriously, though, I can't quickly find any journal articles/studies regarding the most common creative writing topics for young women, in university classes, as aspiring writers, whatever. So, yeah, we can chalk this particular vein of discussion up to disagreement. That is, until one one of us tracks down that one relevant study from ten years ago in Denmark :innocent: j/k

 

[flourish]

I think it's important to note that it was a recent piercing that had been bleeding and caused infection. From the link below I see no reason to believe that Amanda wouldn't have been bleeding as she stated she was.

infected ear piercing bleeding - Google Search

LOL, awesome I wonder if there are any studies about what percentage of the population bleeds when their ears are infected. Perhaps the defense should look into that-- Maybe AK's low-clotting rate can be proven to be the deciding factor and it'll all be over! (Please note my possibly feeble attempt at a teensy bit of light-heartedness here)

 

[Allusonz]

rofl rofl rofl

oh my god guys i am dying of laughter and i started it rofl rofl rofl

 

[Allusonz]

I think it's important to note that it was a recent piercing that had been bleeding and caused infection. From the link below I see no reason to believe that Amanda wouldn't have been bleeding as she stated she was.

infected ear piercing bleeding - Google Search

8 links ???? :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[Allusonz]

i will join either of your debate groups

in denmark

down the road

Wonder if it is against the TOC to post a reward for the first to find that study rofl