Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox Conviction Overturned #22

[wasnt_me]

Where is Raffaele?

Where is RS?

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Where is the boyfriend?

Where is the ex-boyfriend?

Where is the ex-lover?

Where is the lovebird?

Did he drop off the planet?

 

[Allusonz]

Amanda speaking after she arrived home. (make sure you have tissues handy, it's a tearjerker)

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/04/us/knox-seattle/index.html

She seems like she is about to have an emotional breakdown. Hope the family gets her some help

 

[Allusonz]

Where is Raffaele?

Where is RS?

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Where is the boyfriend?

Where is the lovebird?

Did he drop off the planet?

He as well went to destinations unknown with his family (I am gathering it is not in Italy)

 

[Tugela]

There is no excuses anymore. She has been convicted. She is a convicted criminal with a record. These are facts.

IIRC she was convicted of slander, that doesn't make her a criminal.

And in any case, that allegation largely stemmed from the conduct of the investigators, who themselves were behaving in a manner that would probably have gotten them charged here. At the very least is was extremely unprofessional.

 

[luvlife]

I do wonder then why it took 30 PLE officers signatures on her statement? (they had to add a page just for that )

Italian law? Who knows and cares, she is free and should have been long ago when they had the real killer.....SHE'S INNOCENT.....young and naive, "yes" but not a killer!

 

[wasnt_me]

He as well went to destinations unknown with his family (I am gathering it is not in Italy)

I want to know where RS is. I want to know now.:maddening:

I want to know how he feels and if he's crying, too.

 

[wasnt_me]

It's official. Nobody gave a damn about RS. Can't find no story on him leaving prison in a mercedes. Poor RS. He got screwed royally when he met AK. his story probably isn't even worth 2 cents to the news media.

Maybe I should finally make a perugiashock sign in and then ask Frank where RS is.

 

[Madeleine74]

Contrast the reaction and humbleness of Amanda Knox to the reactions of Casey Anthony and OJ Simpson when they were acquitted. AK is full of emotion, still grieves for her roommate, is thankful and appreciative and grateful to her family and the community.

Remember the smirks on CA's and OJ's faces as they got off? I do. Big difference in how each conducted themselves.

 

[Allusonz]

I don't put Mignini on a pedestal. I don't say he is a nice and sweet man. I don't put up smiley pics of him on the internet. I don't care when his plane lands or whatever. Amanda Knox was convicted and sentenced to 3 years in jail. She destroyed the life and business of the man she falsely accused. It is disgusting how some people glorify this person.

As I have pointed out before, AK did not arrest PL, did not interrogate the swiss gentleman for 7 hours, did not release PL until the forensics showed RG, did not prevent him from reopening his business for months.

I will anticipate that the slander charge will be brought up at appeal and the slate will be wiped clean

 

[truecrimejunkie]

It's official. Nobody gave a damn about RS. Can't find no story on him leaving prison in a mercedes. Poor RS. He got screwed royally when he met AK. his story probably isn't even worth 2 cents to the news media.

Maybe I should finally make a perugiashock sign in and then ask Frank where RS is.

Raffaele Sollecito is 'reborn'

In contrast to the frenzied reception that greeted the release of Amanda Knox and her journey back to the US, public interest in her ex-boyfriend and former fellow defendant, Raffaele Sollecito, was much more subdued yesterday in Italy.

The father of Mr Sollecito, 27, addressed cameramen and reporters outside their home in Bisceglie, on the southern Adriatic coast. Dr Francesco Sollecito said: "He tried to sleep but he could only rest for a few hours, and he woke up before I did.

"We had breakfast together after all this time. He sat down at the table, had a coffee and ate some fruit – they are the small things that say so much, the things he hasn't been able to do for four years.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...as-delighted-knox-heads-for-home-2365617.html

 

[gitana1]

I don't put Mignini on a pedestal. I don't say he is a nice and sweet man. I don't put up smiley pics of him on the internet. I don't care when his plane lands or whatever. Amanda Knox was convicted and sentenced to 3 years in jail. She destroyed the life and business of the man she falsely accused. It is disgusting how some people glorify this person.

She did, but he sued and she paid for that. She also will have to pay more due to the criminal fine..

And the glaring omission from what you are stating is the reason she said she implicated Lumumba and implicated herself at all. Knox stated that the police made suggestions to her based on various, crazy theories Mignini had. They apparently found a hair from a black man in the apartment, didn't like how Knox acted, saw she had sent her boss (Lumumba) a text message and created a theory of a satanic sex ritual turned murderous involving first Knox and Lumbada and then Sollecito, when they couldn't place him anywhere but with Knox that night.

According to Knox (and we will never hear what actually happened because the police conveniently erased ALL the tapes of the interrogation, stating first that there was too much commotion (huh? why commotion?) for a recording and then later, that they lacked funds to record, although they spent huge amount of funds in wiretaps), the police were brutal in their interrogation and she was exhausted. They asked her to imagine the murder of Meredith at the hands of Lumumba. She did so. They told her she was traumatized and just did not remember that night but that they had absolute proof she was there. After hours of that, she became disorientated and exhausted and simply did what they asked.

Many of us believe Knox over Mignini who is a known and diabolical liar. He prosecuted and charged 20 people, citizens in good standing, doctors, business men, etc., of participating in satanic cult killings of couples smooching in their cars, even though ballistics showed that the same gun was used in each of those serial murders. He was convicted of corruption over that and the charges were all dismissed. So I cannot believe Mignin's version and am more apt to believe Knox's based on the total picture of this case.

Thus, her implication of an innocent man was based on the same environmental factors that caused her to implicate herself. Therefore, since many believe she was inappropriately pressured, forced to implicate herself, many also believe she was inappropriately pressured and forced to implicate Lumumba.

So, while an innocent man was subjected to an unfair arrest and jail for a brief period, his name smeared for awhile, Knox suffered worse. Because after all, as soon as Mignini realized that Lumumba's alibis held and the evidence excluded him while pointing to an unrelated, fourth person, he quickly adapted his fantastical theory to fit a satanic sex ritual involving Knox, Sollecito and Guede, instead of Lumumba and Lumumba was cleared.

In other words, what Knox said about Lumumba was terrible but so was what she said about herself and the reason for both statements is the same one, one that many feel excuses her actions.

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All the men in my family have been military, as far back as I can go, on both sides. My brothers both entered the army very young, 18 and 19 years of age. But they went in as boys. They came out as men. A 20 year old girl from Seattle going to a foreign country alone, without a unit beside her, having freedom without the discipline of the military to guide her, I just think that's very different. But I can understand how what you have gone through makes calling Knox a kid feel like an insult. I hope you know no one here means to do that at all. Much respect for you and your warriors. :heartbeat:

 

[wasnt_me]

Raffaele Sollecito is 'reborn'

In contrast to the frenzied reception that greeted the release of Amanda Knox and her journey back to the US, public interest in her ex-boyfriend and former fellow defendant, Raffaele Sollecito, was much more subdued yesterday in Italy.

The father of Mr Sollecito, 27, addressed cameramen and reporters outside their home in Bisceglie, on the southern Adriatic coast. Dr Francesco Sollecito said: "He tried to sleep but he could only rest for a few hours, and he woke up before I did.

"We had breakfast together after all this time. He sat down at the table, had a coffee and ate some fruit – they are the small things that say so much, the things he hasn't been able to do for four years.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...as-delighted-knox-heads-for-home-2365617.html

bless you because we care about RS, too! :rocker:

He might, however, find himself back under public scrutiny if he accepts the invitation by the Knox family to visit Seattle. Dr Sollecito said yesterday that it was "too early to say" whether such a trip would take place.

Maybe a withered romance rekindles....:blushing: Somehow, I doubt it.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

Many adherents of Catharism, fleeing a papal inquisition
launched against their alleged heresies, had migrated into Germany and
the Savoy.* Torture inflicted on heretics suspected of magical
pacts or
demon-driven sexual misconduct led to alarming confessions.*
Defendants
admitted to flying on poles and animals to attend assemblies presided
over by Satan appearing in the form of a goat or other animal.*
Some
defendants told investigators that they repeatedly kissed Satan's anus
as a display of their loyalty.* Others admitted to casting spells
on
neighbors, having sex with animals, or causing storms.* The
distinctive
crime of witchcraft began to take shape.


Outbreaks of witchcraft hysteria, with subsequent mass
executions, began to appear in the early 1500s.* Authorities in
Geneva, Switzerland burned 500 acccused witches at the stake in
1515.* Nine years later in Como, Italy, a spreading spiral of
witchcraft charges led to as many as 1000 executions.


The Reformation divided Europe between Protestant regions and those
loyal to the Pope, but Protestants took the crime of witchcraft no less
seriously--and arguably even more so--than Catholics.* Germany,
rife with sectarian strife, saw Europe's greatest execution rates of
witches--higher than those in the rest of the Continent combined.*
Witch hysteria swept France in 1571 after Trois-Echelles, a defendant
accused of witchcraft from the court of Charles IX, announced to the
court that he had over 100,000 fellow witches roaming the
country.* Judges responding to the ensuing panic by eliminating
for those accused of witchcraft most of the protections that other
defendants enjoyed.* Jean Bodin in his 1580 book, On the
Demon-Mania of Sorcerers, opened the door to use of
testimony by children against parents, entrapment, and instruments of
torture.


*Over the 160 years from 1500 to 1660, Europe saw between 50,000
and
80,000 suspected witches executed.* About 80% of those killed
were women.* Execution rates varied greatly by country, from a
high of about 26,000 in Germany to about 10,000 in France, 1,000 in
England, and only four in Ireland.* The lower death tolls in
England and Ireland owe in part to better procedural safeguards in
those countries for defendants.

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/Ftrials/salem/witchhistory.html

History repeats itself unless fully understood.

She is rightly free.

Thank God.

 

[Allusonz]

Italian law? Who knows and cares, she is free and should have been long ago when they had the real killer.....SHE'S INNOCENT.....young and naive, "yes" but not a killer!

No it is not Italian law that requires 30 LE signatures on a statement, 12 of whom were detectives, brought in for the overnight interrogation. They were then paid overtime. LE bugged over 32,000 calls of AK and RS but due to budget constraints they could not provide an audio tape or video tape of the interrogation which is required by Italian law :giggle:

I agree. I believe them both to of been naive

 

[Kimster]

I'm not at all familiar with this case, but I'm sure seeing a lot of alerts.

It seems like there are two schools of thought on the outcome of this ruling.

Remember, you are welcome to your opinion, no matter which side of the fence you reside. You are NOT welcome to ridicule or put down other members for THEIR opinions.

And it might be a good idea if you think you posted out of line to go back and edit or delete your post. Just sayin'.

I'll reopen the thread in a couple of minutes. I just wanted to make sure y'all saw my post.

 

[Salem]

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[revampz]

I do agree that false confessions happen but, you would never get me "confused" enough to make up a story about some crime I knew nothing about. Possibly out of fear of extreme physical punishment or death but, not from a whack on the head and exhaustion. I would be arrested for beligerence and punching the lady back before I gave some made up story. Amanda was a smart girl so not sure I buy the confused bit. I'm not saying she is guilty. The evidence was lacking so I agree with her release. I just think she's a curious individual and it will be interesting to see how she behaves now out of prison.

Katana you and I are on the same wavelength. There are too many things that make me go hhmmmm about this case, something is not right that;s for sure. However like you I do agree that there was not enough evidence to convict them. But I am in no way convinced that this girl was not involved. The fact that neither of them could tell the LE straight out where they were that night is extremely suspicious to me and if innocent you would stick to the one story...THE TRUTH. People above had said that they switched of the phones so they can have a "romantic" first night alone.....fair enough can understand that, but why then has the boyfriend in every interview I have read, say that he cant be sure Amanda was there or that she wasnt there until 1am.....

My personal theory is that it was she that was there with Rudy. I think she was telling the truth that she had her hands over her ears while the deed was happening.

 

[Tugela]

According to Knox (and we will never hear what actually happened because the police conveniently erased ALL the tapes of the interrogation, stating first that there was too much commotion (huh? why commotion?) for a recording and then later, that they lacked funds to record, although they spent huge amount of funds in wiretaps), the police were brutal in their interrogation and she was exhausted. They asked her to imagine the murder of Meredith at the hands of Lumumba. She did so. They told her she was traumatized and just did not remember that night but that they had absolute proof she was there. After hours of that, she became disorientated and exhausted and simply did what they asked.

Keep in mind as well that at the time of the interogation her Italian would have been very rough so there is a high probability that she didn't fully understand what they were saying and they didn't fully understand what she was saying. In that sort of environment it is very easy for major misunderstandings to arise. She might have thought they were asking her to imagine things, they might have thought she was confessing. And everything went wild from there.

Later on that would have been obvious from the recording, if it had been made. I don't think they "didn't do it", because they were required to do it. LE came up with a couple of explanations why the recording wasn't done, but the simplest IMO is that someone listened to it later and realized what happened. Than it quietly dissappeared because it would make them look like fools and I strongly suspect that Italian law enforcement don't like being made to look like fools.

 

[sherlockh]

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-10-03/...-sollecito-rudy-guede-foxy-knoxy?_s=PM:EUROPE
"Amanda Knox freed, but truth about student's slaying elusive"

No end to Knox as pop culture obsession

 

[sherlockh]

I wonder why now these critical articles come out and never before?

"Knox verdict leaves long list of questions"
http://news.yahoo.com/knox-verdict-leaves-long-list-questions-231521684.html