Meredith Kercher murdered in Perugia, Amanda Knox convicted #3

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  • #301
Thanks, Monzoo. I set the U-verse to record this the other day so I wouldn't forget. I rarely watch Oprah unless she has something or someone on that is of interest to me.
 
  • #302
Just an FYI for anyone interested in this case --

Tuesday's Oprah Show will focus on Amanda Knox. (Since the guests are Amanda's family, I presume it will be a pro-innocence.)

Bumping this today so anyone following it has a chance to set DVR or think of an excuse for the boss and stay home!
 
  • #303
I seriously doubt the 'really' tough questions will be asked... as usual.
 
  • #304
Which "really tough questions"? I haven't seen them having any trouble answering questions, have you? I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I'm set to record.

IMO, the one that would have trouble answering the "really tough questions" is Mignini...
 
  • #305
How about:

How did AK's blood become mixed with MK's in several different spots?
Why did AK continue to LIE in her letter to the prosecutor and in emails home about what she did the night of the murder?
Why did AK permit PL to sit in jail for two weeks under suspicion of a vicious murder when she was the one who put him there?
Where are the clothes/shoes AK was wearing the night of the murder?
How about an honest answer on what she WAS actually doing that night if not involved? Seems her and her guy can't seem to get that straight. :waitasec:

There are a few.
 
  • #306
Which "really tough questions"? I haven't seen them having any trouble answering questions, have you? I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I'm set to record.

IMO, the one that would have trouble answering the "really tough questions" is Mignini...

That's true. Lying seems to be the easy answer for AK/RS/RG... and the parents either bend or ignore the truth too, so not really a problem.
 
  • #307
How about:

How did AK's blood become mixed with MK's in several different spots?
Why did AK continue to LIE in her letter to the prosecutor and in emails home about what she did the night of the murder?
Why did AK permit PL to sit in jail for two weeks under suspicion of a vicious murder when she was the one who put him there?
Where are the clothes/shoes AK was wearing the night of the murder?
How about an honest answer on what she WAS actually doing that night if not involved? Seems her and her guy can't seem to get that straight. :waitasec:

There are a few.

They have addressed all of those questions. As have many of us on here.

Their blood wasn't mixed anywhere but in the bathroom and even in there it has never been determined to be Amanda's blood DNA.
 
  • #308
That's true. Lying seems to be the easy answer for AK/RS/RG... and the parents either bend or ignore the truth too, so not really a problem.

I don't understand what this post means or what it has to do with the post you quoted.
 
  • #309
They have addressed all of those questions. As have many of us on here.

Their blood wasn't mixed anywhere but in the bathroom and even in there it has never been determined to be Amanda's blood DNA.

No, none of those has been answered at all except for: the police beat me, or the prosecutor was crooked... not valid answers imo.

Why would their blood be mixed anywhere??? Yes it was blood dna on the Q-tips and a couple other places.
 
  • #310
No, none of those has been answered at all except for: the police beat me, or the prosecutor was crooked... not valid answers imo.

Yes, they have answered them and did so again today on Oprah. They also stood their ground about Amanda being hit. I guess Mignini's threats and bullying aren't working so well.

"The police hit me" and "the prosecutor IS crooked" are valid enough answers for me to question what really happened in Perugia. This concerns not only me, but MANY and I can't, for the life of me, figure out why it doesn't concern EVERYONE. NOBODY deserves to be hit by police officers and EVERYBODY deserves to have a non-corrupt prosecutor trying their case. Everyone deserves a fair trial and Amanda & Raf DID NOT get one.

Why would their blood be mixed anywhere??? Yes it was blood dna on the Q-tips and a couple other places.

Their blood would be mixed because they were roommates and women and because they were sharing the bathroom. It probably isn't all that uncommon to find the mixed blood DNA of any 2 women sharing a bathroom. Haven't we been over this at least a dozen times?

Do you have a link to evidence that states any/all samples were tested for and found to be Amanda's blood? Because I have looked and have yet to find any. I've found information to the contrary, but nothing that says the samples were tested and found to be Amanda's blood. I've also seen rumors and gossip about what some people think to be true, but that isn't good enough for me and it shouldn't be good enough for anyone.
 
  • #311
Just an FYI for anyone interested in this case --

Tuesday's Oprah Show will focus on Amanda Knox. (Since the guests are Amanda's family, I presume it will be a pro-innocence.)
Thanks for the heads up…I set my DVD to record.

Bumping this today so anyone following it has a chance to set DVR or think of an excuse for the boss and stay home!
Just watched it.
 
  • #312
~Still shaking my head ~What an injustice…an outrageous injustice for Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito. I will continue to boycott buying anything Italian made. This is beyond belief that Amanda is still locked up. Free Amanda!!! She is innocent…. The Oprah show was eye opening ... although most facts were already known.
This is not justice for Amanda Knox. If I'm ever murdered; please make sure the correct person is convicted.
 
  • #313
When does Amanda's first appeal start? and how many appeals is she allowed to have?

Amanda is NOT innocent, if she is why all the lies and why her DNA in the bathroom sink along with Meredith's and WHY was RS DNA on the bra clasp?

(unless he stupidly picked it up).

I think that Rudy was the one who has the most DNA at the crime scene but Amanda and Raf were at least in the room during or after Meredith was killed.

how do you explain the bloody footprint on the bathmat that matched RS and the one found in the hallway?
 
  • #314
Amanda Knox, Convicted of Murder, Calls Her Family Once a Week
Amanda Knox's Sister Says Her Life is 'On Hold'

Life in an Italian prison for convicted murderer Amanda Knox has good days and bad days. One of the very worst, her father said today, was the day she cried in his arms for 45 minutes.

For Knox's father, Curt Knox, the memory of his daughter's despair was so painful that he walked away from Oprah Winfrey's cameras because his own emotions overwhelmed him.

Curt Knox and Edda Mellas, the parents of Amanda Knox, relived on "The Oprah Winfrey" show today the bittersweet moments they have with their daughter who was sentenced in December to 26 years in prison for the murder of her British roommate Meredith Kercher.

"There are days where the visits are really, really nice, and then there are days when it's extremely tough, and you do the best you can," an emotional Curt Knox told Winfrey.

The day that his daughter just sat and cried, Curt Knox said that he was trying to explain to her why she is "in this position when she is completely innocent."

"She asks, 'Why is this happening to me? I haven't done anything, I've told the truth.' How do you explain that to her?" said Mellas. "How do you explain that mistakes happen and she's in the middle of a massive mistake?"

"A good day is when she comes out bubbly to the visitation room, and you get to hold her and hug her and listen about what she's doing and how she's passing her time," her father said.


http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Amanda...erer-amanda-knox-speak-oprah/story?id=9920832
 
  • #315
When does Amanda's first appeal start? and how many appeals is she allowed to have?

The judge must file the jury's "motivation", explaining how they reached their verdict, within 90 days of the verdict being read. Amanda and Raffaele can file their first appeals after this. They each have two appeals.


Amanda is NOT innocent, if she is why all the lies and why her DNA in the bathroom sink along with Meredith's and WHY was RS DNA on the bra clasp?

(unless he stupidly picked it up).

Amanda and Raf ARE innocent.

They didn't lie. They were coerced. Not the same thing.

Her DNA was in the bathroom with Meredith's because they were roommates sharing the bathroom.

RS' DNA ended up on the bra clasp by contamination or by being planted. Have you seen the clasp "collection" video? I don't believe Raf ever touched that bra clasp, unless Amanda and Meredith were in the habit of sharing bras and not washing them before wearing them :sick:. I doubt it. Amanda's DNA would be all over the bra, too, if that were the case.

I think that Rudy was the one who has the most DNA at the crime scene but Amanda and Raf were at least in the room during or after Meredith was killed.


Rudy not only has the most DNA at the crime scene, his is the ONLY DNA identified at the crime scene.

Amanda & Raf were in the cottage the afternoon before Meredith was murdered and the morning after. Neither were in the room, though. If they had been, their DNA, fibers, cells, hair, prints, etc., would have been everwhere and they weren't. Only the bra clasp and that, as I stated before, is questionable. HIGHLY questionable.

how do you explain the bloody footprint on the bathmat that matched RS and the one found in the hallway?

I explain the bloody bathmat footprint as being more compatible with Rudy's than it is with Raffaele's. This is easily detected with the naked eye. The toes don't match, at all. The one found in the hallway was never tested for blood, not even Meredith's, and could have been made at any time before the murder since Amanda lived in the flat and likely walked around barefoot from time to time.

:)
 
  • #316
So once Amanda files her appeal, will she have to wait up to 2 years for it to go through?

and if her first one does not get her released will she have to wait another 2 years to see if her second and last one gets her released?
 
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So once Amanda files her appeal, will she have to wait up to 2 years for it to go through?

and if her first one does not get her released will she have to wait another 2 years to see if her second and last one gets her released?

There has been talk that it will probably start around this fall. However, I don't know that there is any way to know if that will happen and who knows how long it will take once it does start. There is no "right to a speedy trial" there like there is in America.

IIRC, though, the appeals process could take up to 6 years. I, personally, don't believe she and Raf will have to file their second appeals because I believe they will be exonerated after the first round of appeals. JMO
 
  • #319
Yes, they have answered them and did so again today on Oprah. They also stood their ground about Amanda being hit. I guess Mignini's threats and bullying aren't working so well.

"The police hit me" and "the prosecutor IS crooked" are valid enough answers for me to question what really happened in Perugia. This concerns not only me, but MANY and I can't, for the life of me, figure out why it doesn't concern EVERYONE. NOBODY deserves to be hit by police officers and EVERYBODY deserves to have a non-corrupt prosecutor trying their case. Everyone deserves a fair trial and Amanda & Raf DID NOT get one.



Their blood would be mixed because they were roommates and women and because they were sharing the bathroom. It probably isn't all that uncommon to find the mixed blood DNA of any 2 women sharing a bathroom. Haven't we been over this at least a dozen times?

Do you have a link to evidence that states any/all samples were tested for and found to be Amanda's blood? Because I have looked and have yet to find any. I've found information to the contrary, but nothing that says the samples were tested and found to be Amanda's blood. I've also seen rumors and gossip about what some people think to be true, but that isn't good enough for me and it shouldn't be good enough for anyone.

Ha, just claiming innocense does NOT make it so. Was she being hit when she gave her 'gift' to the prosecutor? NO
Was she being hit or pressured when she sent all those emails home claiming what she said was true (as best as she could remember :innocent: ) and that she HAD stayed at RS the night of the murder (which she did NOT)? NO

There were TWO prosecutors. To blame one is silly. Theory squashed.

Why would AK claim the blood of hers may have came from her ears?

So you are saying at a bloody murder scene, with no sourse of AK's dna/blood, there is suddenly a couple of places with mixed blood of the victim and one of the accused in a bathroom... and another place (where a break-in is staged) there is another droplet of mixed blood??? Quite a coincidence one would think :waitasec: .

Why would RS change his story from 'we spent the entire night together' to 'I can't really remember (the memory killing pot you know) what went on' and ALSO tell the giant lie of 'pricking' MK's hand while cooking' when they had never eaten together??? Police intimidation just will NOT answer these questions... no matter what the spin.

Interesting that some here claim complete innocense and a persecution by Italian authorities... but over 13 judges, jurors and others that actually attended the trial for over two years think they are absolutely guilty after seeing ALL the evidence.

When the motivation report is given, and their appeal fails... is there still going to be this cry of injustice from supporters in regards to the Italian legal system
when the evidence, lies, and common sense show them to be completely guilty?

I for one hope RG sees the Oprah 'show' and decides to tell what really happened... since it seems now that AK's support group is trying to pin all the blame on him when it is obvious to alot of people that they were all involved. I've seen Oprah be very passionate in injustices that she BELIEVES in but this did not seem to be the case in this instance... wonder why?!?!
 
  • #320
The judge must file the jury's "motivation", explaining how they reached their verdict, within 90 days of the verdict being read. Amanda and Raffaele can file their first appeals after this. They each have two appeals.




Amanda and Raf ARE innocent.

They didn't lie. They were coerced. Not the same thing.

Her DNA was in the bathroom with Meredith's because they were roommates sharing the bathroom.

RS' DNA ended up on the bra clasp by contamination or by being planted. Have you seen the clasp "collection" video? I don't believe Raf ever touched that bra clasp, unless Amanda and Meredith were in the habit of sharing bras and not washing them before wearing them :sick:. I doubt it. Amanda's DNA would be all over the bra, too, if that were the case.




Rudy not only has the most DNA at the crime scene, his is the ONLY DNA identified at the crime scene.

Amanda & Raf were in the cottage the afternoon before Meredith was murdered and the morning after. Neither were in the room, though. If they had been, their DNA, fibers, cells, hair, prints, etc., would have been everwhere and they weren't. Only the bra clasp and that, as I stated before, is questionable. HIGHLY questionable.



I explain the bloody bathmat footprint as being more compatible with Rudy's than it is with Raffaele's. This is easily detected with the naked eye. The toes don't match, at all. The one found in the hallway was never tested for blood, not even Meredith's, and could have been made at any time before the murder since Amanda lived in the flat and likely walked around barefoot from time to time.

:)

They were NOT coerced in the gift, the emails home by AK and in several interviews by RS. Just because they are caught in lies (several times) does not mean they were coerced... they just made mistakes.

Droplets of mixed blood (no matter where) are quite suspicious at a bloody murder scene. No other blood mixed with the victim except for another accused. If RG was there on a date (as he claimed) would not it be reasonable for his blood/dna to be mixed with the victims even though he claimed to have nothing to do with the murder? If it works for AK it should be the same for RG... funny how evidence that points to AK is disreguarded but evidence against RG is seen as completely reliable and reasonable.

There was evidence of RS's dna not only on the bra clasp, but also in the kitchen on a cig butt. The footprint in the bathroom is clearly his, but as we have continued to see... the people for AK's and RS's innocence refuse to see it as his because it is sooooo damaging. Why would this one print (supposidly of RG's) be in barefoot... when the others of his are in shoes? Why would he clean the prints LEADING UP TO THIS ONE anyway, if other evidence of his and prints are everywhere??? Why is there NO other evidence of RG in that bathroom but plenty it the other and elsewhere? The most interesting question is the cleaning... why would RG clean bareprints leading to the one on the mat? No way, no how can that reasoning make any sense.

One of RS's legal team also claimed AK's dna was also found on the bra clasp.
The video of the bra clasp does not prove contamination (or planting :banghead: ) by the forensic team. Contamination MUST be proven in court, not speculated upon or 'hoped' for. The clasp was gathered later because the defense teams had to be present... no other reason. If the prosecution would have claimed AK's dna is all over MK's room, the evidence would have been disreguarded... because she lived there! You can not have it both ways. Either way you are going to claim 'something isn't right' which ever way the prosecution tried to argue. dna in room because she lived there/ no dna in there because she is innocent (that arguement would be a no-win situation for the prosecution).

If one would NOT claim AK was beaten or coerced and READ her 'gift' to prosecutors, her emails home, RS's changing alibi, AK's changing alibi of 'not remembering', her accusation of PL, the evidence, the obvious clean-up, the obvious staged break-in, the eye-witnesses to their being together around the cottage that night, the 40+ wounds to MK (suggesting more than one killer), the lies and behavior of AK/RS...... it is difficult to see any other outcome than the one they find themselves in at the moment.

Crying foul, contaminated evidence, planted evidence, coercion, beatings, a crooked prosecutor (out of two), a conspiracy by an entire nation, a police conspiracy, ignorant jurors, blind judges,etc sounds alot like the last gasp of a GUILTY party and is quite common. Wonder why RS's defense team does not use the same mantra the AK's support teams do... probably because it is off the mark in every aspect and plain to see.
 
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